2004 u.s. poker championship ft

[Juandastyle 0]

I'm sure some of you have seen this, where John D'agostino goes into the Final Table and ends up placing something like 5th, because of a huge outdraw from Hoyt Corkins. The hand went something like this.Not sure of position, i think hoyt was on the button w/ 7 8 suited, and went all in to steal the blinds. D'agostino woke up w/ 10 10 and called the all in (it might have been a different betting pattern, i watched this at 4:30 am last night and i don't recall specifics)Basically Hoyt flops trip 7's, and to add insult to injury, the 4th 7 falls on the turn. After the chips were counted, D'agostino ends up w/ one chip left, and as the chips are being transferred, D'agostino shoves the chips messily towards Hoyt, knocking over the stacks. The announcers commented that this was unnecessary, something a pro wouldn't do, because bad beats happen, and that it was very unprofessional.If that were me, i would simply call hoyt a luck box and simply order the most alcoholic beverage, and then watch my KK lose to JJ and QQ... hmm.Any thoughts of what would happen if YOU were in that situation, where your enormous chip lead was taken away when you were.... whatever favorite you would be w/ a pair against two undercards?

[GrinderMJ 0]

He lost his cool, it happens to everybody. He did act out of line but Hoyt asked him to count it numerous times to make sure Dags wasn't all in and it looked like it annoyed Dags. I would probably walk away completely stunned and fall into some kind of coma.

[HangukMiguk 8]

Dags is a young pro. He is a smart player, but he can tilt very easily.Definitely part of it was how extremely lucky Hoyt got. But he definitely got it in correctly, and that's what happens when a pressure player like Corkins makes you commit all your chips. He makes you have to make sure you're calling with the best hand, and on top of that, he forces you to hope it holds up.At that point, I might be tilting too. In fact, with the chip stack I'd have, I would just as well walk away from the table, force my hand to be dead, and just finish out. You can make fights back on the short stack, but if you don't have a level head, you're just as easily going shove what little you have left in with 36o as you would ATs or something better than that.

[theredpill99 0]

Dags probably didn't like Hoyt anyway. I don't like Hoyt and I don't think many poker players do. Then that happened. I actually think Dags did really well in containing himself. I'm not sure what I would have done. With cameras there, I might have been able to contain myself but if cameras weren't there , not sure what would have happened. I probably would have just walked away and never came back and let the blind get me.

[essay 0]

He lost his cool, it happens to everybody. He did act out of line but Hoyt asked him to count it numerous times to make sure Dags wasn't all in and it looked like it annoyed Dags. I would probably walk away completely stunned and fall into some kind of coma.

It doesn't happen to everybody.

[cdt002 0]

In the posts about this (months ago) I believe someone said that a lot of JDags frustration was due to the tourney director making him count down his chips multiple times to make sure Hoyt didn't have him covered. That would piss me off too if someone had just hit quads like that.

[GrinderMJ 0]

He lost his cool, it happens to everybody. He did act out of line but Hoyt asked him to count it numerous times to make sure Dags wasn't all in and it looked like it annoyed Dags. I would probably walk away completely stunned and fall into some kind of coma.

It doesn't happen to everybody.

There are very few people who have such a strong control over their emotions that they could jsut walk away quietly from that. Ya there are some, but almost every human will get upset after that happens to them.

[p r o d i g y 0]

I'd probably smile it off, with deep breathing of course.

[SportsW234 0]

To answer your questions.First, I believe Hoyt was in the small blind when he made the all-in raise.Second, D'agonstino obivously was disappointed to be totally crippled after coming into the final table with a huge chip lead. From what I heard one the reasons D'agonstino was so upset is because they made Hoyt and John count the chips something like five times, which added to his frustration.Third, I don't know what I would do. Even though D'agonstino, at all of 21 years old, had made two other final tables I think you can some rope for pushing the chips to Hoyt like he did. If I was sucked out as bad as he was, I might be capable of doing something like that.

[Juandastyle 0]

I've seen beats this bad in live play (like most of you) and usually, verbal bashing is what comes from it. I know no pro in their right mind would do such a thing at a final table (well, a few for table talk, but now w/ bad beats). DAGO didn't say a word to Hoyt Corkins, and i think that is admirable. I would have done exactly what DAGO did. I understand that you have to make plays on people to accumulate chips (not really, but you might find the need to sooner or late) But Hoyt, having almost as many chips as DAGO, Made a huge misjudgement in going all in w/ 78 suited. If DAGO wakes up w/ AA, KK, QQ, or any other higher PP, (which he had 10's) then he's a huge dog in that hand. Why take the risk to pick up the blinds, especially when you have plenty of chips????Hoyt got paid off on a bad move, which obv happens, otherwise we wouldn't see donkeys like Aaron Kanter at the ME final table, or Joe Stillman making it deep into the money. (I'm not saying hoyt's a donkey, his move resembled one, in my opinion.)

[Longshanks 0]

he did act out of line but im sure he was excused, he blew a monstor chip lead through bad play and bad luck, i wish i could blow a lead like that thus assuring me of getting paid like that

[iveyfan30 0]

i woulda said nh went to my room , drink half a bottle of goose and ordered 3 asian hizzzzozzzzzz.....

[Silence 0]

Dags probably didn't like Hoyt anyway.   I don't like Hoyt and I don't think many poker players do.    Then that happened.    I actually think Dags did really well in containing himself.   I'm not sure what I would have done.     With cameras there,  I might have been able to contain myself but if cameras weren't there , not sure what would have happened.     I probably would have just walked away and never came back and let the blind get me.

I think that you all need to read the post on Recpoker.com written by MC. That post explains in detail the events that took place leading up to the "chip shove" incident that you saw on TV. Almost everything that you saw was taken out of context. For those of you who are too lazy to search for the post, I'll tell you that John was asked to count his chips THREE times as if he didn't know how many he had, THEN he was asked to push Hoyt the chips. As you could see there were quite a few chips and the front stack began to fall. Once that stack fell over, John just continued to push the chips to Hoyt in that manner.He doesn't dis-like Hoyt. He obviously wasn't happy with that hand, but it's part of poker, and trust me, he knows that.

[ForRealDD 0]

There are very few people who have such a strong control over their emotions that they could jsut walk away quietly from that. Ya there are some, but almost every human will get upset after that happens to them.

Not to be a smart ass, but those few people are called professionals. Not too many people could perform open-heart surgery and keep their cool, but those who can are called professionals.

[pokerfoole 0]

One thing you should remember about that final table was that EVERY hand JDags was getting (AA,KK) was getting cracked. Everyone at that table was using him as the ATM for the day. I think I remember Norman Chad saying that he was playing correctly but he was getting unlucky. I think that sort of thing can wear on you, especially at the final table of a major event. Not that I would know know, but I have the feeling that JDags had a good feeling about his chances when he woke up that day.Then he has pockets tens cracked not by two pair, not by a full house, but by quads. I'm sure the he felt the knife with two pairs, and then the twist with the full house and then the "you got to be censored kidding me" with the quads. Hoyt was apologetic about it (although he wasn't apologetic when he hit runner-runner on Phil Hellmuth at Foxwoods, but that was entertaining) and I think he said "Sorry, John", which speaks volumes to me about Hoyt.The hand with Hoyt was his breaking point but it was the last hand in a succession of hands that went wrong for JDags. Of course he was wrong to act the way he did, although it was understandable. Hopefully, if that thing happens to me, I will act a little more gracefully.

[alf13 0]

You know....with TT....Jdags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.....Has Jdags ever said what read he had on Hoyt? Did he think that Hoyt had maybe a A8 or some type of hand like it?Personally....with over 100 BB I wouldn't flip a coin for the whole tourney...especially when I had played so well leading up to that point.....I think that if Hoyt had shown KJ face up...that Jdags would have folded his tens as a small favorite....It just seems like such a waste to gamble over 100BB with a coin flip when you are a larger favorite to finish much higher than 5th....What is not talked about is the great read Jdags had to have to call there...As for Hoyt....I have no idea what the fuk he was doing....it was one of the dumbest moves I had ever seen....push in over 100BB to win 1.5% of your stack?....and do it with friggin' 78?

[dms26 3]

There are very few people who have such a strong control over their emotions that they could jsut walk away quietly from that. Ya there are some, but almost every human will get upset after that happens to them.

Not to be a smart ass, but those few people are called professionals. Not too many people could perform open-heart surgery and keep their cool, but those who can are called professionals.

[kook04 0]

You know....with TT....Jdags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.....

I'm not going to bother quoting your whole post, but out of curiosity, why do you insist on using "....." repeatedly? Is it because you don't know how to properly punctuate? I'm not trying to cause a problem, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Maybe you're trying to make your posts easier to read? If so, it's not working.Wouldn't You know, with TT JDags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.work just as good.

[iveyfan30 0]

You know....with TT....Jdags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.....

I'm not going to bother quoting your whole post, but out of curiosity, why do you insist on using "....." repeatedly? Is it because you don't know how to properly punctuate? I'm not trying to cause a problem, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Maybe you're trying to make your posts easier to read? If so, it's not working.Wouldn't You know, with TT JDags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.work just as good.

well

[Teph 0]

You know....with TT....Jdags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.....Has Jdags ever said what read he had on Hoyt?  Did he think that Hoyt had maybe a A8 or some type of hand like it?Personally....with over 100 BB I wouldn't flip a coin for the whole tourney...especially when I had played so well leading up to that point.....I think that if Hoyt had shown KJ face up...that Jdags would have folded his tens as a small favorite....It just seems like such a waste to gamble over 100BB with a coin flip when you are a larger favorite to finish much higher than 5th....What is not talked about is the great read Jdags had to have to call there...As for Hoyt....I have no idea what the fuk he was doing....it was one of the dumbest moves I had ever seen....push in over 100BB to win 1.5% of your stack?....and do it with friggin' 78?

Have you ever watched Hoyt play? I hate to be a jerk here, but the guy makes insane bets with really bad hands. He forces people to make good calls. I believe it was in Pokerstar's WPT event where Hanson, DN, and Hoyt were the final three. DN had like 200k and was on BB with Ad3d (I think), with blinds at like 6k-12k, Hoyt made it 190k or so with 97os. His thoughts of "Well he can only call me here with a huge hand, and if it isn't a pair, I still have live cards so I am probably 3-2 at worst."It isn't a "bad' strategy, he is just all preflop aggression, usually not the greatest sign of a professional player. This is just his strategy and he has a couple million reasons to discredit my opinion . On that note in the 2005 WSOP TOC, didn't he push in like every other hand when it got three-handed?

[ShakeZuma 585]

You know....with TT....Jdags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.....

I'm not going to bother quoting your whole post, but out of curiosity, why do you insist on using "....." repeatedly? Is it because you don't know how to properly punctuate? I'm not trying to cause a problem, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Maybe you're trying to make your posts easier to read? If so, it's not working.Wouldn't You know, with TT JDags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.work just as good.

well

HAHAHAHA

[alf13 0]

I'm not going to bother quoting your whole post, but out of curiosity, why do you insist on using "....." repeatedly? Is it because you don't know how to properly punctuate? I'm not trying to cause a problem, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Maybe you're trying to make your posts easier to read? If so, it's not working.Wouldn't You know, with TT JDags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.work just as good.

I insist on using "................................." because it makes the post easier to read...................................so therefore...................................find something else to complain about..........................okay?..........................I find that..........................people like you...................................that insist......................on complaining about....................petty things...................are usually..................................hopelessly............................depressed......................losers...........................Seriously....there are better things to complain about....get a fukin life.

[ShakeZuma 585]

I'm not going to bother quoting your whole post, but out of curiosity, why do you insist on using "....." repeatedly? Is it because you don't know how to properly punctuate? I'm not trying to cause a problem, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. Maybe you're trying to make your posts easier to read? If so, it's not working.Wouldn't You know, with TT JDags is only a big favorite versus a smaller pair or a total bluff.work just as good.

I insist on using "................................." because it makes the post easier to read...................................so therefore...................................find something else to complain about..........................okay?..........................I find that..........................people like you...................................that insist......................on complaining about....................petty things...................are usually..................................hopelessly............................depressed......................losers...........................Seriously....there are better things to complain about....get a fukin life.

zzziiing

[alf13 0]

Have you ever watched Hoyt play? I hate to be a jerk here, but the guy makes insane bets with really bad hands. He forces people to make good calls. I believe it was in Pokerstar's WPT event where Hanson, DN, and Hoyt were the final three. DN had like 200k and was on BB with Ad3d (I think), with blinds at like 6k-12k, Hoyt made it 190k or so with 97os. His thoughts of "Well he can only call me here with a huge hand, and if it isn't a pair, I still have live cards so I am probably 3-2 at worst."It isn't a "bad' strategy, he is just all preflop aggression, usually not the greatest sign of a professional player. This is just his strategy and he has a couple million reasons to discredit my opinion . On that note in the 2005 WSOP TOC, didn't he push in like every other hand when it got three-handed?

I have seen him play...and yeah..I could care less if he won every event for the next 40 years......That play is as stupid if Joe Donkey did it....or Phil Ivey...or the ghost of Johnny Moss.....stupid is stupid..

[esamilin 0]

calling with 10 10 all in was a mistake, should waited for a better spot.