questions about getting sucked out...

[The_Empire 0]

I play a very low stakes home game ranging from a $10 to $20 buy-in. In the $10 game the blinds are $.10 - $.20 and in the $20 game the blinds are $.25 - $.50.Recently, I've been trying to build a bankroll, and really climb up the ladder in terms of stakes. I want to lose, in some instances, because I think losing can be a good lesson in poker. But lately, I've found myself losing in ways that are very undesirable. It seems that I've been getting outdrawn quite a bit lately. And while, in most cases, I wouldn't make a post out of this, I find that it's affecting other parts of my game. And I could use some help. I find that whenever I get my money in the center when I have the best hand, I get sucked out. And not like when I'm a 52% - 48% favorite. I'm talking about when the other guy is a 4 to 1 dog (not in all instances). And it seems to keep happening too. Tonight, for example...My friend and I each have about $40 in chips in a $.10 -$.20 game. We're playing heads up cause everyone else has gone home broke, and this hand comes up:I have 10 -10 and I limp in. He opens the pot for $1.20 and I come over the top and move all-in, and he calls with A -8 . Flop comes...8 - 9 -6 The turn comes...5 And the river...A (giving him two pair)This seems to be a reoccurring theme as of late. To the point where it affects me getting all my money in the center when I have the best hand. I find that most of the money I win doesn't come from hands where I'm the favorite at the beginning, but rather from hands where I draw to a better hand than the other person and extract the maximum amount of chips.Am I at fault for this? Do you need more examples? Help me FCP message board, help me.P.S. What's worse is that whenever I do get sucked out, I'm usually baffled by how people call with the hands they do, and what they say afterwards. In the above example, after he won all my money, my buddy just kept saying, "I had to call there dude. You know? You know I had to call there right?"

[vonteego3 0]

so you limp re-raised with TT... he raises 1.20, and you go over the top for another 38 bucks? Slight overbet? I'm sorry... which play is the one you don't understand?

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

youre at fault for over the topping allin with 10s. theyre not that strong, but its your call there.as far as suckouts go theres nothing you can do.

[loxo 0]

youre at fault for over the topping allin with 10s. theyre not that strong, but its your call there.as far as suckouts go theres nothing you can do.

Heads up, I'm pretty happy to have TT dealt to me every hand.

[vonteego3 0]

youre at fault for over the topping allin with 10s. theyre not that strong, but its your call there.as far as suckouts go theres nothing you can do.

Heads up, I'm pretty happy to have TT dealt to me every hand.

So you'd raise 39.60 a pot that is currently 1.60?

[dead money 1]

You must be pretty knew to poker. If you are baffled by poor players then you havent been playing long. When you log thousands of hours playing, you will become immune to "bad beats". You will also realize that preflop you are almost never that big of a favorite. In the example, you are only about a 70% favorite. That means your opponent is 30% to win the hand. Yeah you are the favorite but you are still going to lose quite a bit in the long run. You have to expect to lose some times. And the thing is, you want this call. You were able to get your friend to put all his money in as a 30% fav to win the hand. I would take that every time. The outcome doesnt matter at that point. I would also like to add that when you are the better player, you should strive to play on and after the flop, not preflop. The biggest advantage a better player has is his/her ability to outplay there opponents on the flop, turn, and river. You dont want to be as willing to try and end the hand preflop. You want to encourage your opponent to take alot of flops and take advantage of his/her mistakes.Another thing you have to realize is that when you are constantly getting your money in with the best of it, you will be getting sucked out on more. Good players suffer "bad beats" much more than bad players, because good players dont chase draws that are unprofitable. If I were you, I would get used to the fact that you will be getting sucked out on alot in your future if you are a good player.

[sirphatticus 0]

i agree with dead moneyusually a tell tale sign of a new player is complaining about suckouts and bad beats... honestly the more hands you play the less beats bother you, its that simple...

[Socrates 0]

Suckouts usually occur from poor play and not the play of the player who wins. Usually the person who says they got sucked out on created the problem through poor play. Ex. see your play with 10 10.

[Randy Reed 0]

take a nap afterwards

[Hatchet 0]

Suckouts usually occur from poor play and not the play of the player who wins. Usually the person who says they got sucked out on created the problem through poor play. Ex. see your play with 10 10.

what?!? do you really believe this?

[The_Empire 0]

I figured some of you would say the things you would. More specifically, the severe overbet with the 10s. But another person said that I was a 70% - 30% favorite, and that I want that call everytime. I would tend to agree with this. Which is why I did what I did. I WANTED HIM TO CALL. He's a player who likes to gamble with hands that most would consider to be sub-par.I also appreciate everything that everyone has said. I'd like to think that I'm a decent player, and I enjoy learning more about the game. I like what people have said about not getting it all-in preflop. Because, I love taking flops with people, but I find myself addicted to pushing when I see a big pair in the hole.At any rate, keep up the good work.

[nritchi3 0]

Suckouts usually occur from poor play and not the play of the player who wins. Usually the person who says they got sucked out on created the problem through poor play. Ex. see your play with 10 10.

I don't know what games your playing but suckouts tend to happen a lot even if you play the hand perfectly. If your saying by check raising or slow playing a hand suckouts happen more then yes but regardless i don't think you have played the hand that badly if you get the money in with a big enough advantage that you would consider losing a suckout. Therefore i can't be that poor a play.

[loxo 0]

youre at fault for over the topping allin with 10s. theyre not that strong, but its your call there.as far as suckouts go theres nothing you can do.

Heads up, I'm pretty happy to have TT dealt to me every hand.

So you'd raise 39.60 a pot that is currently 1.60?

Umm, thats not what I said.What I did say was that HU TT is a hand I would be glad to be dealt every hand. It is also a hand I would be glad to raise and reraise with.At no point did I say I'd throw $39.60 into a $1.60 pot.

[blueodum 0]

What I did say was that HU TT is a hand I would be glad to be dealt every hand. It is also a hand I would be glad to raise and reraise with.You must know that this depends heavily on the other player in the pot. If you know your opponent only raises with premium hands, then reraising him with TT, especially when in position, is usually pretty dumb.

[dead money 1]

I figured some of you would say the things you would. More specifically, the severe overbet with the 10s. But another person said that I was a 70% - 30% favorite, and that I want that call everytime. I would tend to agree with this. Which is why I did what I did. I WANTED HIM TO CALL. He's a player who likes to gamble with hands that most would consider to be sub-par.I also appreciate everything that everyone has said. I'd like to think that I'm a decent player, and I enjoy learning more about the game. I like what people have said about not getting it all-in preflop. Because, I love taking flops with people, but I find myself addicted to pushing when I see a big pair in the hole.At any rate, keep up the good work.

You're missing something here. I didnt say that you want to play that hand that way. In fact, you played the hand rather poorly. You were willing to put all your money in the middle with a very good chance that it was only a coin flip. This is not a profitable way to play. You dont want him to call because you have tens. You want him to call because he had A8 and you were a 70% favorite. See the difference. You have to look at the likely hands that your opponent will play, and the possibility of him holding each. Just because he is a loose player doesnt mean that you should be willing to push when you find a decent hand. You should be looking to think about his likely holdings. When he raises, you have to figure that he will hold alot of hands that are a slight underdog to your hand. Do you really want to put you money in on a coinflip. It just so happened that he had A8, but he just as easily could have had KQ, QJ, AJ, AQ, or AK. Also, pockets tens is not a big pair. Even pocket jacks arent a big pair. They are middle pairs.

[timwakefield 69]

You must be pretty knew to poker.

You must be pretty new to spelling. Hehehehe...sorry