War in Iraq...

[SAM_Hard8 50]

What really bothers me about this thread is that a few of you think that Sadam had no WMD's. Imagine this, If you had to hide a dime in a 100 acre pice of property would anyone be able to find it? Maybe. Now give that same person 6 month to hide that dime and I doubt you could find it.

I was talking about the supposed uranium cake from Niger. The administration pretended that they had credible intelligence on this, when they knew all along that it was highly questionable. They scared the American public into believing Saddam had nuclear capabilities, which he did not. Those are the WMDs I was talking about him not having.

ya they only found a few tons of the stuff there.

[timwakefield 68]

What really bothers me about this thread is that a few of you think that Sadam had no WMD's. Imagine this, If you had to hide a dime in a 100 acre pice of property would anyone be able to find it? Maybe. Now give that same person 6 month to hide that dime and I doubt you could find it.

I was talking about the supposed uranium cake from Niger. The administration pretended that they had credible intelligence on this, when they knew all along that it was highly questionable. They scared the American public into believing Saddam had nuclear capabilities, which he did not. Those are the WMDs I was talking about him not having.

ya they only found a few tons of the stuff there.

Um, we haven't found any materials for building nuclear weapons there, and certainly no uranium. What exactly are you talking about?

[Fphillips 0]

What really bothers me about this thread is that a few of you think that Sadam had no WMD's. Imagine this, If you had to hide a dime in a 100 acre pice of property would anyone be able to find it? Maybe. Now give that same person 6 month to hide that dime and I doubt you could find it.

I was talking about the supposed uranium cake from Niger. The administration pretended that they had credible intelligence on this, when they knew all along that it was highly questionable. They scared the American public into believing Saddam had nuclear capabilities, which he did not. Those are the WMDs I was talking about him not having.

He was in the process of building nuclear weapons. This is fact, allthough the media said otherwise. Iran has since revived that program using the means gave to them by Sadam pre invasion. Sadam saw it comming.

[Fphillips 0]

What really bothers me about this thread is that a few of you think that Sadam had no WMD's. Imagine this, If you had to hide a dime in a 100 acre pice of property would anyone be able to find it? Maybe. Now give that same person 6 month to hide that dime and I doubt you could find it.

I was talking about the supposed uranium cake from Niger. The administration pretended that they had credible intelligence on this, when they knew all along that it was highly questionable. They scared the American public into believing Saddam had nuclear capabilities, which he did not. Those are the WMDs I was talking about him not having.

ya they only found a few tons of the stuff there.

Um, we haven't found any materials for building nuclear weapons there, and certainly no uranium. What exactly are you talking about?

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

[BilliardsBoy 0]

I have ambivalent opinions on the war, but I do feel quite certain that there were deliberate mischaracterizations of prewar intelligence, not necessarily by Bush, but by his cabinet, most prominently Dick Cheney. If any of you would like references to instances of intelligence being misused:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Mar31.htmlhttp://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlinesThat being said, having destroyed the infrastructure and whatever semblance of a working economy that existed in Iraq prior to the invasion, the US has a responsibility to restore these, and moreso prove to the Arab world through these projects that we are not Napoleonic invaders who burn and decimate civilizations. Given the many scandals and abuses documented thus far during the war, a great deal needs to be done to repair our reputation. The question is whether or not the current administration is capable of such an endeavour. Given the planning of the war, I have serious doubts and am not optimistic.

This was the only criticism in the thread that I took seriously. I can live with you having those views GOE, very well said.mk. My biggest problem with your statements thus far are what you are saying about us "furthering" the anti-American sentiments in the Middles East by doing what we are doing now. Last time I checked, these past few years have seen the MOST involvement in the ME ever, so being that feelings against America and for terrorism by some were very strong before our current involvement, it seems to me that your statements are not only illogical, but have absolutely no factual basis.Fact is, much of the anti-American sentiment is via government run propaganda. The only way we are going to change minds over there isn't to sit on our butts and do nothing, but to go there and share our generosity with those people, give them a real chance at freedom, something they will NEVER get under rule of people like Saddam.As for any kind of "ends justify the means" stuff, while I'm not about to advocate anything extreme, the fact is you are going to cry foul about something good that was actually done by the government because the manner that they convinced you with was by bending the truth in their favor. There was still evidence that WMD may exist, but this was not the only reason they told us we were going there. There were other reasons that the government addressed, but it was made clear that Al Quida links and possible WMD were the primary selling point. If you don't like that then there's nothing left to discuss, I expect some kind of misleading by the government (like making a 60/40 case turn into a 90/10 case to try and fully pursuade the public that you are making the right choice) rather than be disappointed when I find out that the precious and inteligent American public was mislead.

[mk 11]

mk. My biggest problem with your statements thus far are what you are saying about us "furthering" the anti-American sentiments in the Middles East by doing what we are doing now. Last time I checked, these past few years have seen the MOST involvement in the ME ever, so being that feelings against America and for terrorism by some were very strong before our current involvement, it seems to me that your statements are not only illogical, but have absolutely no factual basis.

You're kidding, right? Illogical with no factual basis? Did you look at the studies?? Again, I quote:

"Overwhelming majorities in Jordan and Morocco believe suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable. As a point of comparison, slightly more people in those two countries say the same about Palestinian suicide attacks against Israelis. About half of Pakistanis also say suicide attacks on Americans in Iraq – and against Israelis in the Palestinian conflict – are justifiable. Fewer respondents in Turkey agree, but slightly more Turks view suicide attacks on Americans in Iraq as justifiable as say the same about Palestinian attacks on Israelis (31% vs. 24%)."

All of these numbers are up from the studies done before the war. So while, yes, anti-American sentiment was strong prior to the Iraq war, it is now stronger, and more people are willing to kill themselves in order to kill us. And you realize, of course, that the stated goal of Al Qaeda regarding 9/11 was to recruit all Muslims to their cause after the predictable American military retaliation? Do you still believe Mr. Cheney when he said we would be greeted as liberators? Even if what we all hope happens actually does happen, i.e. there isn't a civil war once the American military leaves Iraq and a gigantic power gap is left in their wake and the Iraqi people don't overthrow the puppet regime and install a theocratic leader, do you think the citizens of Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran will be so moved that they will overthrow their own governments? Do you suggest we perform regime changing operations throughout the Middle East?

[BilliardsBoy 0]

MK, slow down and read what I am saying.I understand that there are very strong anti-American sentiments in other countries.Bringing up those facts just now is unneccesary, I already know.What I am saying is, these sentiments have been fostered over many many years...with the primary culprit being government and terrorist propaganda...being that our recent involvement in the Middle East is uprecedented...it is, in fact, illogical to say that our current presence is going to further those terrorist ideals and anti-American feelings...because up to this point, most of those ideas and feelings can be blamed on the image said foreign governments portray of America, being a greedy hateful place that despises Muslims.This is what I am saying. I am not refuting the studies you are referring to. What I am refuting is your stance that our current involvement in ousting Saddam and helping to build up that countries economy and government, trying to work along side Arabs and Muslims so we better understand eachother, is going to increase terrorist sympathizers and practicioners.The real barrier standing in the way of peace is lack of understanding and lack of personal freedoms. Currently, its easier to focus on the second while working towards the first.

[timwakefield 68]

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

Can you please list a link to this story? I have heard nothing of this. Here is an illustration of what I was talking about.From the Washington Post, Richard Cohen, November 22, 2005:"Later that month [Dick Cheney] described Hussein as a "sworn enemy of our country," adding that he constituted a "mortal threat" to the United States. "We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons," the vice president also said that month. "Among other sources, we've gotten this from firsthand testimony from defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law."But as a Post story by Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus from August 2003 makes clear, Cheney could not have known what he said he knew. In the first place, Hussein's son-in-law was dead, killed in 1996 when he made the dubious career move of returning to Iraq. What's more, when Hussein Kamel was still a defector and being debriefed in Jordan, he said he had no knowledge of a current nuclear weapons program. Iraq's uranium enrichment program -- a prerequisite for a weapons program -- had been dormant since the Gulf War in 1991."

[Guest andibear]

i havn't read thru this whole thread but I am in the army and will be heading to iraq in february and wondered if anyone else here is in the service.....as for the question....we are doing the right thing, I do my duty for President Bush whether I agree with it or not.

[Fphillips 0]

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

Can you please list a link to this story? I have heard nothing of this. Here is an illustration of what I was talking about.From the Washington Post, Richard Cohen, November 22, 2005:"Later that month [Dick Cheney] described Hussein as a "sworn enemy of our country," adding that he constituted a "mortal threat" to the United States. "We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons," the vice president also said that month. "Among other sources, we've gotten this from firsthand testimony from defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law."But as a Post story by Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus from August 2003 makes clear, Cheney could not have known what he said he knew. In the first place, Hussein's son-in-law was dead, killed in 1996 when he made the dubious career move of returning to Iraq. What's more, when Hussein Kamel was still a defector and being debriefed in Jordan, he said he had no knowledge of a current nuclear weapons program. Iraq's uranium enrichment program -- a prerequisite for a weapons program -- had been dormant since the Gulf War in 1991."

I was there, saw it with my own eyes.Also found in that bunker.Nerve agentBlood agent Small Arms in Quanity( very common)Waste uranium ( depleted)We have and continue to find crap burried everywhere including mass graves that have biological and chemical weapons casualties. I served in the middle east 1991-93 1996-98 2001-03.Like I said beware the media.

[Fphillips 0]

i havn't read thru this whole thread but I am in the army and will be heading to iraq in february and wondered if anyone else here is in the service.....as for the question....we are doing the right thing, I do my duty for President Bush whether I agree with it or not.

Thank you for your service.One critical item...baby wipes trust me.GL. " First Team"

[Fphillips 0]

One more thing and I'll shut up.I think the best thing that could happen ( it never will ) would be to get the political sides out of it, let the Commander in Chief give the military it's " Tasks Conditions and Standards" and let em go. Cut throating on both sides Rep and Dem have hampered the war effort. They need to STFU and let our Troops do the damn thing. " First Team "

[Guest andibear]

i havn't read thru this whole thread but I am in the army and will be heading to iraq in february and wondered if anyone else here is in the service.....as for the question....we are doing the right thing, I do my duty for President Bush whether I agree with it or not.

Thank you for your service.One critical item...baby wipes trust me.GL. " First Team"

haha trust me...ive had plenty of field experience already...females live for baby wipes out there....not lookin forward to it...but it is my job....are you prior service?

[Fphillips 0]

i havn't read thru this whole thread but I am in the army and will be heading to iraq in february and wondered if anyone else here is in the service.....as for the question....we are doing the right thing' date=' I do my duty for President Bush whether I agree with it or not.[/quote']Thank you for your service.One critical item...baby wipes trust me.GL. " First Team"

haha trust me...ive had plenty of field experience already...females live for baby wipes out there....not lookin forward to it...but it is my job....are you prior service?[/quote]Yes, Tanker. M1A1 heavy commons.Where are you stationed now?

[Guest andibear]

i havn't read thru this whole thread but I am in the army and will be heading to iraq in february and wondered if anyone else here is in the service.....as for the question....we are doing the right thing' date=' I do my duty for President Bush whether I agree with it or not.[/quote']Thank you for your service.One critical item...baby wipes trust me.GL. " First Team"

haha trust me...ive had plenty of field experience already...females live for baby wipes out there....not lookin forward to it...but it is my job....are you prior service?[/quote]Yes' date=' Tanker. M1A1 heavy commons.Where are you stationed now?[/quote']im at obc right now quartermaster school at fort lee

[DeanK 0]

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

I was there, saw it with my own eyes.Also found in that bunker.Nerve agentBlood agent Small Arms in Quanity( very common)Waste uranium ( depleted)We have and continue to find crap burried everywhere including mass graves that have biological and chemical weapons casualties. I served in the middle east 1991-93 1996-98 2001-03.Like I said beware the media.

Wow, you found all that? And CNN is covering it up? What about Fox though, and Rush, and the NYTimes? And why hasn't the US army or the Bush administration brought this up?Crazy.

[digitalmonkey 929]

Any sign of Jimmy Hoffa?

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

I was there, saw it with my own eyes.Also found in that bunker.Nerve agentBlood agent Small Arms in Quanity( very common)Waste uranium ( depleted)We have and continue to find crap burried everywhere including mass graves that have biological and chemical weapons casualties. I served in the middle east 1991-93 1996-98 2001-03.Like I said beware the media.

Wow, you found all that? And CNN is covering it up? What about Fox though, and Rush, and the NYTimes? And why hasn't the US army or the Bush administration brought this up?Crazy.

Small amounts of WMD's have been found and conservative media have reported it. The liberal media has chosen not to.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Wrong. A cache of uranium was found 50 kilometers south of knar.Keep watching CNN.

I was there, saw it with my own eyes.Also found in that bunker.Nerve agentBlood agent Small Arms in Quanity( very common)Waste uranium ( depleted)We have and continue to find crap burried everywhere including mass graves that have biological and chemical weapons casualties. I served in the middle east 1991-93 1996-98 2001-03.Like I said beware the media.

Wow, you found all that? And CNN is covering it up? What about Fox though, and Rush, and the NYTimes? And why hasn't the US army or the Bush administration brought this up?Crazy.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=38213http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.htmlhttp://boortz.com/nuze/200508/08292005.htmlhttp://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=3975

[LongLiveYorke 38]

The large amounts of Uranium that were found south of Baghdad in a site known as Tuwaitha came as no surprise to America. The site is merely a remnant from Sadam's programs that were ended long ago after the first Gulf War and has been inspected and contained by the IAEA since the early 90's. The uranium found at the site, which came in several forms, is not nuclear bomb ready and would require further refinement, and Iraq before the second gulf war was most likely not capeable of this type of refinement. There were no materials missing from the sight since the IAEA did its earlier inspections of the site. I think that some of the websites that were posted above have questionable biases. If you want to learn more, you can find many articles openly discussing these materials by preforming a simple Lexus Nexus search. The key is that, yes, all over Iraq there are many scattered pieces of weapons from earlier times, but these do not prove that Iraq was willing or able to reconstitute or use these weapons before the launch of the second gulf war.If I have said anything that is untrue, feel free to correct me (but do supply supportive evidence, please).