evesixer 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I am just curious as to how everyone that posts here feels about the war in Iraq. I am not trying to get into a big political discussion here, I just want to see how many are on the same page. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm in favor of giving Iraqi children guns and having shooting practice at the White House. Link to post Share on other sites
shinychicken 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 To me, it depends on which part you are in favor with. I'm all for taking down the connection factor to al queda, but for it to stretch this long and so many lives jeopardized, I have a problem with. So is the path we choose, Texas millioniare making decisions for the betterment of the entire world. Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Agree or disagree with the basis for going, leaving at this point, with the government in infancy and the army not ready to stand on its own yet, would surrender all progress that has been made thus far and throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it. Link to post Share on other sites
insano 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Agree or disagree with the basis for going, leaving at this point, with the government in infancy and the army not ready to stand on its own yet, would surrender all progress that has been made thus far and throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it.Couldn't have said it any better. Link to post Share on other sites
KingAustin 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Agree or disagree with the basis for going, leaving at this point, with the government in infancy and the army not ready to stand on its own yet, would surrender all progress that has been made thus far and throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it.Couldn't have said it any better.Agreed.Now, WTF is up with that Ramsey Clark guy? This should be charged with treason and he should be publicly stoned!http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/27/...rial/index.html Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Agree or disagree with the basis for going, leaving at this point, with the government in infancy and the army not ready to stand on its own yet, would surrender all progress that has been made thus far and throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it. Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.To many they will rather live under the dictatorship of their own people than live under the dictatorship of some foreigners.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Oh, they've got better lives now, suicide bombers happen like every other day (= free grilled meat on the streets), they welcome our soldiers with flowers and eggs, and from Fox news, you can hear a family or two happily saying how much they welcomed Americans and how much they hated Saddam.throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it.What will those wolve countries think about America? A country of vultures and hyenas?surrender all progress that has been made thus farAll progress of what? Progress on getting oil? Progress on establishing a buffer zone for Israel? Progress of establishing a new "democratic" dictatorship in the middle east? Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Bush is an evil EVIL man and he will burn in hell for the war crimes that he has commited. Link to post Share on other sites
RuffRidr 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.To many they will rather live under the dictatorship of their own people than live under the dictatorship of some foreigners.Look, if they'd settle down and quit blowing stuff up and acting like general asshats, we'd be gone tomorrow. The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Oh, they've got better lives now, suicide bombers happen like every other day (= free grilled meat on the streets), they welcome our soldiers with flowers and eggs, and from Fox news, you can hear a family or two happily saying how much they welcomed Americans and how much they hated Saddam.Before they had a dictator that would gas them, disappear them, torture them, etc. throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it.What will those wolve countries think about America? A country of vultures and hyenas?You think they give a shit about us regardless? They'd slit your throats in an instant if they could. It was like this prewar even. surrender all progress that has been made thus farAll progress of what? Progress on getting oil? Progress on establishing a buffer zone for Israel? Progress of establishing a new "democratic" dictatorship in the middle east?You're a dumbass. What exactly is a "democratic dictatorship"?--RuffRidr Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Look, if they'd settle down and quit blowing stuff up and acting like general asshats, we'd be gone tomorrow.If someone invaded your country, will you settle down, will you welcome them with rice and flowers?Before they had a dictator that would gas them, disappear them, torture them, etc. What about now? Were they treated differently if they were the ones who went against the current dictating "governement"? Did they get themselves naked with fingers pointing at their asshholes and their Korans got spitted at?You think they give a censored about us regardless? They'd slit your throats in an instant if they could. It was like this prewar even.If you've got a country of people and countries of people that are around this country who would do this to you, why stay? Do you feel so welcomed to stay?You're a dumbass. What exactly is a "democratic dictatorship"?Hi genius, when Saddam listened to the US, he's good guy, and Iraq was a country with democracy. When he turned his back on us, let's replace him with another dictator as long as the newbie listens to us, then Iraq is "free" and "democratic" again.--RuffRidr Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If you can't see the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population in the country was left without basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc., and that the Sunis that Saddam took care of in a handful of cities like Iraq don't even come close to giving an accurate representation of the situation there; if you can't understand what quality of life they will have when the reconstruction is over; if you can't look to the future and live purly in the now, and make all subsequent decisions based on what things are currently like;if you can't understand the simple concept of terrorists bombers and sympathizers being an incredibly small percentage of the people of Iraq, and whats more that many of those bombers and insurgents are of non-Iraqi origin and only want to halt the process towards freedom;if you can't see that these people, despite the attacks and bombings, freely sign up to police their own country to aid the Allies in establishing security, can't see the greatness of women finally having some sort of voice in the country, can't relate to the beauty of the people of Iraq coming together to draft a constitution and government that will fairly represent them;and if you want to throw it all under the bus because of a minority fanatical voice, because of dead Americans, because gaining a friendly ally who will trade oil to us seems crooked, because of questionable politics....Then you are not worth talking to in my book. Good day. Link to post Share on other sites
LAS22 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is a dangerous and vile dictator.The people of Iraq deserve a better way of life, not like the one most Iraqis had under Saddam's regime.Agree or disagree with the basis for going, leaving at this point, with the government in infancy and the army not ready to stand on its own yet, would surrender all progress that has been made thus far and throw the country to the wolves still waiting to take it.Very well put! Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If you can't see the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population in the country was left without basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc., and that the Sunis that Saddam took care of in a handful of cities like Iraq don't even come close to giving an accurate representation of the situation there; if you can't understand what quality of life they will have when the reconstruction is over; if you can't look to the future and live purly in the now, and make all subsequent decisions based on what things are currently like;if you can't understand the simple concept of terrorists bombers and sympathizers being an incredibly small percentage of the people of Iraq, and whats more that many of those bombers and insurgents are of non-Iraqi origin and only want to halt the process towards freedom;if you can't see that these people, despite the attacks and bombings, freely sign up to police their own country to aid the Allies in establishing security, can't see the greatness of women finally having some sort of voice in the country, can't relate to the beauty of the people of Iraq coming together to draft a constitution and government that will fairly represent them;and if you want to throw it all under the bus because of a minority fanatical voice, because of dead Americans, because gaining a friendly ally who will trade oil to us seems crooked, because of questionable politics....Then you are not worth talking to in my book. Good day. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If you can't see the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population in the country was left without basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc., and that the Sunis that Saddam took care of in a handful of cities like Iraq don't even come close to giving an accurate representation of the situation there; Thanks to the war of Iraq, they no longer have basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc.if you can't understand what quality of life they will have when the reconstruction is over; A reconstruction to restore it to the prewar state? A reconstruction that cost the US taxpayers like, hundreds of billions of dollars and keep rolling?if you can't look to the future and live purly in the now, and make all subsequent decisions based on what things are currently like;You had no idea what you were talking about.if you can't understand the simple concept of terrorists bombers and sympathizers being an incredibly small percentage of the people of Iraq, and whats more that many of those bombers and insurgents are of non-Iraqi origin and only want to halt the process towards freedom;The iraq war brings Iraq all forms of terrorists that they never existed prewar in Iraq.if you can't see that these people, despite the attacks and bombings, freely sign up to police their own country to aid the Allies in establishing security, They needed to live, for their families.can't see the greatness of women finally having some sort of voice in the country, can't relate to the beauty of the people of Iraq coming together to draft a constitution and government that will fairly represent them;They will only be heard and seen at the Fox news when they kiss the US's ass.and if you want to throw it all under the bus because of a minority fanatical voice, because of dead Americans, because gaining a friendly ally who will trade oil to us seems crooked, because of questionable politics....Who were the minority, who were the majority? Where did you get your news from? Right-winged news media?Then you are not worth talking to in my book. Good day.You have a good day too. Link to post Share on other sites
RuffRidr 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Look, if they'd settle down and quit blowing stuff up and acting like general asshats, we'd be gone tomorrow.If someone invaded your country, will you settle down, will you welcome them with rice and flowers?If I lived in a country with a dictator who was quite fond of killing large groups of the local populace, then yes I would welcome the invaders. Before they had a dictator that would gas them, disappear them, torture them, etc. What about now? Were they treated differently if they were the ones who went against the current dictating "governement"? Did they get themselves naked with fingers pointing at their asshholes and their Korans got spitted at?Are you comparing having those pictures taken and their Korans getting spit at with rape, torture, and mass genocide? You're a dumbass. What exactly is a "democratic dictatorship"?Hi genius, when Saddam listened to the US, he's good guy, and Iraq was a country with democracy. When he turned his back on us, let's replace him with another dictator as long as the newbie listens to us, then Iraq is "free" and "democratic" again.Their new leaders are to be picked by their people. I don't think you fully understand the term dictator. But then it seems there is a lot you don't understand.--RuffRidr Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If you can't see the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population in the country was left without basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc., and that the Sunis that Saddam took care of in a handful of cities like Iraq don't even come close to giving an accurate representation of the situation there; Thanks to the war of Iraq, they no longer have basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc.if you can't understand what quality of life they will have when the reconstruction is over; A reconstruction to restore it to the prewar state? A reconstruction that cost the US taxpayers like, hundreds of billions of dollars and keep rolling?if you can't look to the future and live purly in the now, and make all subsequent decisions based on what things are currently like;You had no idea what you were talking about.if you can't understand the simple concept of terrorists bombers and sympathizers being an incredibly small percentage of the people of Iraq, and whats more that many of those bombers and insurgents are of non-Iraqi origin and only want to halt the process towards freedom;The iraq war brings Iraq all forms of terrorists that they never existed prewar in Iraq.if you can't see that these people, despite the attacks and bombings, freely sign up to police their own country to aid the Allies in establishing security, They needed to live, for their families.can't see the greatness of women finally having some sort of voice in the country, can't relate to the beauty of the people of Iraq coming together to draft a constitution and government that will fairly represent them;They will only be heard and seen at the Fox news when they kiss the US's ass.and if you want to throw it all under the bus because of a minority fanatical voice, because of dead Americans, because gaining a friendly ally who will trade oil to us seems crooked, because of questionable politics....Who were the minority, who were the majority? Where did you get your news from? Right-winged news media?Then you are not worth talking to in my book. Good day.You have a good day too.You need to stop listening to left-wing news media.Pre war only Sadam's favorite neighborhoods had electricity and running water and what equipment that was there was in a massive state of disrepair.Many more people have electricity and water and hospitals and food and schools now than before the war.The also have hundreds of free newspapers, radio stations and many TV stations and access to info from around the world. The problems with current rolling blackouts and electricity shortages are because of the huge growth in wealth of the common people and the usage of electricity for things like air conditioning, refrigeration and other luxuries that were only available to Sadam's lackeys. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is evil. George Bush Jr is evil. This war has nothing to do about helping the people of Iraq. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is evil. George Bush Jr is evil. This war has nothing to do about helping the people of Iraq.Who is George Bush Jr.? Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If you can't see the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population in the country was left without basic needs like water, plumbing, electricity, etc., and that the Sunis that Saddam took care of in a handful of cities like Iraq don't even come close to giving an accurate representation of the situation there; if you can't understand what quality of life they will have when the reconstruction is over; if you can't look to the future and live purly in the now, and make all subsequent decisions based on what things are currently like;if you can't understand the simple concept of terrorists bombers and sympathizers being an incredibly small percentage of the people of Iraq, and whats more that many of those bombers and insurgents are of non-Iraqi origin and only want to halt the process towards freedom;if you can't see that these people, despite the attacks and bombings, freely sign up to police their own country to aid the Allies in establishing security, can't see the greatness of women finally having some sort of voice in the country, can't relate to the beauty of the people of Iraq coming together to draft a constitution and government that will fairly represent them;and if you want to throw it all under the bus because of a minority fanatical voice, because of dead Americans, because gaining a friendly ally who will trade oil to us seems crooked, because of questionable politics....Then you are not worth talking to in my book. Good day.this is a poor excuse...bttom line, he said there were weopons of mass destruction...liehe said there was a connection with him and bin laden and 911...liewe had no right to go there, more innocent iraqis at=re dying because of the war, not to mention americans...as far as improving their quality of life goes....bush should worry about improving the quality of life in his own backyard before going to other countries...there are people starnded , homeless, no food no plumbing and blah blah blah in his own country...bush is a joke, he wanted to go to war for other reasons, if you cant see that, then i feel sorry for you...the american people were lied to. Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If I lived in a country with a dictator who was quite fond of killing large groups of the local populace, then yes I would welcome the invaders.If their own people really dislike their own government, then they should do their own uprisings, and not by some foreigners whose real intentions were to seize the country as a buffer zone for Israel and a buffer zone to invade Iran, Syria, etc, to get oil, and to sell the idea of (dictated) democracy (which must not go against the benefits of the US) in the middle east.Are you comparing having those pictures taken and their Korans getting spit at with -, torture, and mass genocide? Those pictures were only the tip of the iceburg, many truth may not be heard and seen because of the controlled media access.Their new leaders are to be picked by their people. I don't think you fully understand the term dictator. Oh really, you get to choose either Mohammad or Alibaba. If you don't, your vote is voided.But then it seems there is a lot you don't understand.And you sir, understand a lot. And may I remind you one thing?Who WON the war?Bin Laden!Mission accomplished. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Saddam is evil. George Bush Jr is evil. This war has nothing to do about helping the people of Iraq.Who is George Bush Jr.?He is the person whose image appears here in this mosaic composed of smaller images of dead American soldiers! Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 What war ever took place where doing the right thing was the sole purpose of the government?I'm not going to debate the motives for going to war, or the "lies" that took place: there was a lot of truth, and a lot of misleading, in what the government told the public to get us to back the war.If your mad because a government lied to you...hahaha...HAHAHAHAHAHA....can't stop laughing.Please leave the land of make believe and join us in reality.I've had very interesting political discussions with smart people on this site, regarding the methods and motives for going to war, and some people feel things should be investigated and whatnot, but at least they even had the inteligence to agree that what was happening for the Iraqi people was a good thing.Go dig up the old thread I took part in if you want to, the present thread is about the affect of the War on the country. See my above posts. Don't be so obviously narrow minded to think that things were hunky-dory with Saddam, and don't please don't come on here complaining about the incredible quality of life Americans have you dolt.Funny, last time that countries around the world took the "we only care about what lies in our own borders" approach, a little war happened in the late 1930's you may have heard of. I'll take the criticism of "sticking our nose in others business", the uber mature arguement, over world war any day.What's the point, it's impossible to reach the feeble minded. Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 that a boy, keep going backwards as fast as you can.cant bring up any facts so you start to say its ok that bush lied and its ok that people are dying because of greed...keep laughing. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If I lived in a country with a dictator who was quite fond of killing large groups of the local populace, then yes I would welcome the invaders.If their own people really dislike their own government, then they should do their own uprisings, and not by some foreigners whose real intentions were to seize the country as a buffer zone for Israel and a buffer zone to invade Iran, Syria, etc, to get oil, and to sell the idea of (dictated) democracy (which must not go against the benefits of the US) in the middle east.Are you comparing having those pictures taken and their Korans getting spit at with -, torture, and mass genocide? Those pictures were only the tip of the iceburg, many truth may not be heard and seen because of the controlled media access.Their new leaders are to be picked by their people. I don't think you fully understand the term dictator. Oh really, you get to choose either Mohammad or Alibaba. If you don't, your vote is voided.But then it seems there is a lot you don't understand.And you sir, understand a lot. And may I remind you one thing?Who WON the war?Bin Laden!Mission accomplished. That may be the most ignorant post I have ever read in my life. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 that a boy, keep going backwards as fast as you can.cant bring up any facts so you start to say its ok that bush lied and its ok that people are dying because of greed...keep laughing.Ok find the quote where George Bush lied and post it. Link to post Share on other sites
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