continue betting this turn?

[Whiskey16 1]

BB seems fairly tight.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxUTG ($206.54)MP ($47)CO ($57)Hero ($59.70)SB ($122.15)BB ($307.02)Preflop: Hero is Button with [7c], [7h]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. 3 folds, BB calls $1.50.Flop: ($4.25) [5c], [Qc], [7d] (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.Turn: ($10.25) [7s] (2 players)BB checks, Hero ?????Do I continue to value bet here, or check hoping the BB catches up?

[Abbaddabba 0]

Uhh...Why would you check?Most hands that have a chance at improving to something strong on that board are going to call a bet anyways.A flush draw, a straight draw and a queen probably wont be folding as long as you dont make too big a bet.Bet half the pot.

[Mattnxtc 0]

Uhh...Bet half the pot.

[petersun 0]

Definitely bet. No reason not to. But bet in such a way as to sell him uncertainty.

[Steeeve28 0]

Fold, definitely.

[allinbluff35 0]

1/2 the pot is goot

[macphec 0]

1/2 the pot is goot

[Pokerdad2222 0]

I agree with half the pot. He has no reason to think you have a 7 with the preflop raise. hard to put someone on quad 7's. Maybe even slightly less than half the pot. He may see it as a value bet but will hopefull see it as a scared, slowdown bet and want to act like he as the seven. Hopefully he will raise and you can stop and go from there.

[petersun 0]

We're all suggesting half the pot, but I think we should know his table image before giving that advice.Whiskey, have you been known to be somewhat passive? Are you aggressive or ultra agressive? Tight or loose?I personally would want to try to get as close to a 3/4 pot sized bet as possible.

[Whiskey16 1]

We're all suggesting half the pot, but I think we should know his table image before giving that advice.Whiskey, have you been known to be somewhat passive? Are you aggressive or ultra agressive? Tight or loose?I personally would want to try to get as close to a 3/4 pot sized bet as possible.

At this table, I had been fairly aggressive, but hadn't been sitting there long. Not ultra-aggressive by any means, but I hadn't been playing tight, either.

[fopkins 0]

1/2 the pot is no good, i bet closer to 6/11 the pot.-fop

[petersun 0]

1/2 the pot is no good, i bet closer to 6/11 the pot.-fop

Indeed! =)Originally, becuase of the style I play (often ultra-aggressive on the flop and turn) it would seem odd for me to slow down on the turn. So I would actually tend to favor a larger than normal bet to signal that I don't want him to call (in other words, pot sized).I toned it down and suggested 3/4 =) But if the other players are any good, it'd seem like strength coming from me.

[Merby 3]

Definitely bet the turn. Whatever your standard continuation turn bet has been will suffice (1/2 pot sounds good).Think of it this way: If on a draw, he will call a turn bet if you lay him the right price. If you check and the river bricks, then he will not call a bet on the river. On top of that, your turn bet and his call will build the pot to the point where he may take a stab at it even if he does not get there on the river.Cheers,MerbyPS. DrawingDead, I thought I would resurrect some older threads to give us more to talk about as opposed to the same 5 or so threads we keep contributing to. (I imagine you will be the first one to read this...)

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Definitely bet the turn. Whatever your standard continuation turn bet has been will suffice (1/2 pot sounds good).Think of it this way: If on a draw, he will call a turn bet if you lay him the right price. If you check and the river bricks, then he will not call a bet on the river. On top of that, your turn bet and his call will build the pot to the point where he may take a stab at it even if he does not get there on the river.Cheers,MerbyPS. DrawingDead, I thought I would resurrect some older threads to give us more to talk about as opposed to the same 5 or so threads we keep contributing to. (I imagine you will be the first one to read this...)

You know. I thought it was a real time post, and I was trying to figure out how so many people posted without me noticing, since I vulture around this section. Then when I started reading, I looked at the date. Heh.I agree. Half the pot's good.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

I am checking this turn 100% of the time, you guys.Key details:1) We have position, heads up.2) BB has 307 in front of him, we have 59.3) We are given the read he is tight.Once we quad up, time to start thinking how to maximize the pot. What's he calling with? If it's a flush draw, he's possibly folding the turn and likely check/folding the river if he misses. If it's a queen, betting makes him worried about his kicker. We have fold equity from raising preflop.I'm checking because I think the best way to get paid will be on the river with this hand. If we bet the turn, he might fold, and he might not lead at us.If we check the turn, he could read the flop bet as weak, and come out shooting on *any* river, and we can then move in on top of it.If not and checked to, value bet the river anyway, which is exactly what betting 1/2 pot on the turn is.Give him a chance to make a stack-sized mistake with this hand.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

PS. DrawingDead, I thought I would resurrect some older threads to give us more to talk about as opposed to the same 5 or so threads we keep contributing to.

I'm really glad you dug this one up.It's okay if you play quads the exact same way every time because nobody will know how often you get quads.

[petersun 0]

If we check the turn, he could read the flop bet as weak, and come out shooting on *any* river, and we can then move in on top of it.If not and checked to, value bet the river anyway, which is exactly what betting 1/2 pot on the turn is.Give him a chance to make a stack-sized mistake with this hand.

If we assume he's on a draw and that he's tight, you get no value because he won't call the 1/2 pot bet on the river if he checks. Your only hope is he'll try to do bluff on the river. But what percentage of the time will that happen? It makes no sense for us not to shoot with our aggressive image. If he's got a queen, he'll call a 1/2 to 3/4 pot sized to pot sized bet cause folks overvalue pairs. If we feel he has a queen, then we want to build the pot to be large enough on the river such that he'll call a fairly large bet.Obviously, the hope here is he'll call the 1/2 pot bet on the turn cause he's getting the right odds and then hit the draw on the river.

[offmandh 0]

1/2 the pot is goot

agreed. except maybe a tad less than this because you want to give him the right price to chase a flush draw.

[offmandh 0]

I am checking this turn 100% of the time, you guys.Key details:1) We have position, heads up.2) BB has 307 in front of him, we have 59.3) We are given the read he is tight.Once we quad up, time to start thinking how to maximize the pot. What's he calling with? If it's a flush draw, he's possibly folding the turn and likely check/folding the river if he misses. If it's a queen, betting makes him worried about his kicker. We have fold equity from raising preflop.I'm checking because I think the best way to get paid will be on the river with this hand. If we bet the turn, he might fold, and he might not lead at us.If we check the turn, he could read the flop bet as weak, and come out shooting on *any* river, and we can then move in on top of it.If not and checked to, value bet the river anyway, which is exactly what betting 1/2 pot on the turn is.Give him a chance to make a stack-sized mistake with this hand.

i strongly disagree with this dude. you really are not going to win a big pot by checking hte turn. when he misses his draw on the river he isnt going to bet out because it is a small pot. if you bet the turn, he will most likely call with a draw, and if he hits it, it is pay day for you on the river. if you check the turn and he hits the river, bets and you raise, that is abotu as fishy a raise as you can get. i would never check the turn. especially since if i was bluffing, i would never check the turn, so when i have the nuts im not going to check the turn either.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

What is he calling the flop with?One pair or a flush draw, a lot of the time. Anything else is much less likely and better for us, because we have quads and we're not losing this pot.We've raised preflop, and bet the flop. Why would we keep betting the turn? What do we miss out by giving him a free river?Remember, we are 100% sure that he doesn't have a 7, so he's probably worried about it in some capacity or another. Why make a blatant 1/2 pot value bet?It's not like he thinks we flopped a set for the flop bet/call.

[GeneralKong 0]

I say bet the same amount you did on the flop, dont let on that your hand has been magically improved by the turn. You could check but thats fishy as hell because if you check here you're probably going to have to check the river to him hoping he bets. Or you could lead out betting the river which could actually work better if he thinks you're on the flush draw and it misses. But you're praying for a great boad, F that, the board is already great. If it was me (I'm super aggressive) i'd bet 1.5-2x pot on the turn, but then again my flop bet wouldnt have been 3 it would have been 6. Turn woulda been 18-24 if it doesnt work, keep betting bigger bigger until 1 of 2 things happen, you're penis falls off because of the major boner you get from all the money you are winning, or you mess my strat up and you lose all you money because you suck at life and ask other people HOW DO I PLAY MY QUADS??? Seriously, do the poker world a favor and go kill yourself..P.S. You're avatar looks like someone smeared their own fecal matter on a piece of glass and took a picture of it. -GeneralKong

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

What is he calling the flop with?One pair or a flush draw, a lot of the time.  Anything else is much less likely and better for us, because we have quads and we're not losing this pot.We've raised preflop, and bet the flop.  Why would we keep betting the turn?  What do we miss out by giving him a free river?Remember, we are 100% sure that he doesn't have a 7, so he's probably worried about it in some capacity or another.  Why make a blatant 1/2 pot value bet?It's not like he thinks we flopped a set for the flop bet/call.

I can see the rationale for this.I think a lot of it is read dependent. If he's LAG then we check, hoping to induce a large bet.I think if we check and it check's behind, we make the river decision a little more awkward. Our ideal card here on the river would be a Queen, hoping he boats up, but, I don't know. It seems to me that if he won't call a turn bet, he likely won't call a river bet.If he's TAG, I think we have to bet around half the pot and do the same on the river.I think it's read/stat dependent.

[petersun 0]

So I had the same situation come up last night. I had flopped trip 9s on the flop and then a 9 on the turn. Since the stakes were low, I decided to try out the slow play approach. My image was TAG. His image was moderately tight (not much data on him).I raised the pot about 4xbb in late position. Got called by 1 caller after me. The flop made me trips. I bet out 3/4 of the pot. He called and appeared to be on a flush draw. The turn made me quads. I checked. The river was a blank. He missed his draw. He made a small bet (less than 1/4 the pot) and I reraised him 3/4 the pot. He folds.I showed him the quads and asked him if he was on a draw. He said yes. I asked him if he'd call a 1/2 pot sized bet on the turn and he said he would.So just one sample point.

[offmandh 0]

So I had the same situation come up last night. I had flopped trip 9s on the flop and then a 9 on the turn. Since the stakes were low, I decided to try out the slow play approach. My image was TAG. His image was moderately tight (not much data on him).I raised the pot about 4xbb in late position. Got called by 1 caller after me. The flop made me trips. I bet out 3/4 of the pot. He called and appeared to be on a flush draw. The turn made me quads. I checked. The river was a blank. He missed his draw. He made a small bet (less than 1/4 the pot) and I reraised him 3/4 the pot. He folds.I showed him the quads and asked him if he was on a draw. He said yes. I asked him if he'd call a 1/2 pot sized bet on the turn and he said he would.So just one sample point.

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