joseph hachem

[Juandastyle 0]

People are saying now that he's "consistant" since he got to the FT of a WSOP circuit event? Sure, now you can say that he actually knows how to play tournament poker, but c'mon, in the 2005ME Hachem got very lucky a few times in these ways: 1. Lazar donked off some chips to him after being on tilt from folding quad aces.2. Hit's a Q against Kanter, which I can't understand why he would go all in there. Kanter showed he would push, call, and reraise w/ absolutely nothing and was on an incredible rush of cards. Hachem had to think that kanter would call there w/ any two cards.3. Flopped straight against Dannendonk.Regardless, i'm not degrading Hachem as a player at all, for christ's sake he won the ME... so he's gotta be at least better than a majority of players. But to say that He's becoming a pro, which i've heard.... I believe it''s way too early to tell.Any thoughts?

[turd ferguson 1]

Are you a dealer for Binion's?

[Hold_Em 0]

yes 1 thought.he is a pro.that is all.

[Don Giovanni 0]

uh ok, only one of those things was luck. and you need to get lucky to win a big tournament. and he was already a pro from what i understand. hes obviously good, in fact he wouldve won the circut event if it werent for a really bad beat so what are you trying to say again?

[allin1090 0]

Wether he's good or not, he will become a pro because pokerstars will pay his entry fee to all of the major events.

[Mesisca 0]

you should also add him flopping the flush with A6 against Black's set...Sure he is a good player. Sure you can call him a pro.

[Petoria 0]

People are saying now that he's "consistant" since he got to the FT of a WSOP circuit event? Sure,  now you can say that he actually knows how to play tournament poker, but c'mon,  in the 2005ME Hachem got very lucky a few times in these ways:  1. Lazar donked off some chips to him after being on tilt from folding quad aces.2. Hit's a Q against Kanter, which I can't understand why he would go all in there. Kanter showed he would push, call, and reraise w/ absolutely nothing and was on an incredible rush of cards. Hachem had to think that kanter would call there w/ any two cards.3. Flopped straight against Dannendonk.Regardless, i'm not degrading Hachem as a player at all, for christ's sake he won the ME... so he's gotta be at least better than a majority of players. But to say that He's becoming a pro, which i've heard.... I believe it''s way too early to tell.Any thoughts?

I'd say it's just as ignorant to criticize him before all the evidence is in. He got lucky in the ME, so did everyone else that made the final table. The fact is that he is a pro. I'm not saying that he's just as talented as pros who have earned their living from years of grinding. The simple fact that he has no other job, makes him a professional poker player.

[mbreon 0]

Oh my God, someone got lucky in a few spots to win the Main Event..........stop the presses!

[ToddFuller 0]

one name came to mind when reading this post...........Chris Moneymaker, got lucky to win the ME, made a few major final tables on WPT, and now what has he done?

[Hyaku-Shiki 0]

Seriously, all of you guys think that people just magically show up at the Main Event with no knowledge or experience with poker beforehand.http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=5435Hachem has been playing for years. And yes, people do get lucky/unlucky at the table. IT HAPPENS.

[Pupsta 0]

luck in tournament poker, much less poker in general?unpossible!blasphemy!

[Juandastyle 0]

well at least it's a lil warmer in my thread now w/ all these flames.Anyone think it's funny how Matusow was the favorite at the Final table... and donked off so many of his chips on hands he shouldn't have even been in?i.e. 59os against black.

[champsox 0]

Yea definetely. I always fold my pocket kings preflop when I have a lot of chips. I would also fold my over pair of tens when my opponent has two over cards after the flop. sw

[DeanK 0]

I think everyone who survives today's huge fields to make the final table had to catch a card or two at times.Heck, when Brunson one his last WSOP event, at least as far as the hands they showed on TV are concerned, he was a dog in maybe half the big hands I saw. Of course, I guess with his aggressive style that will happen.I thought Hachem was a pretty strong player, though, in my admitadly amateur opinion. The all in with Q 7 S ended up being a bad call, but maybe he saw something that made him think the other guy was weak. He was also getting short stacked, and had to be more aggressive. Getting lucky != bad player

[iveyfan30 0]

one name came to mind when reading this post...........Chris Moneymaker, got lucky to win the ME, made a few major final tables on WPT, and now what has he done?

yes, because its the norm to make 3-4 final tables every year ..sw....

[gkunit20 1]

Yea definetely. I always fold my pocket kings preflop when I have a lot of chips. I would also fold my over pair of tens when my opponent has two over cards after the flop. sw

HahahahahahahahahahahahaOP got PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Socrates 0]

Why is it everyone likes to dog players they have never heard of? Hachem has been playing poker seriously for years according to reports(they even talk about it on t.v. - about how his wife made him have a legit job if he wanted to play ~full time) So he and a friend started brokering loans here and there while they played cards a lot more.You have to remeber that ESPN and Harrah's want you to think that they are all just first timers getting lucky and that you can do it too. How many of you can honestly say you knew of Tex Barch before the ME this year - probably not a whole lot of you.Its funny how people think the winners of events are donks or "how can they even consider going pro?" - Answer: because they were already doing it for a living (probably before you heard about poker), this just happened to be their first big cash.

[Fphillips 0]

Why is it everyone likes to dog players they have never heard of? Hachem has been playing poker seriously for years according to reports(they even talk about it on t.v. - about how his wife made him have a legit job if he wanted to play ~full time) So he and a friend started brokering loans here and there while they played cards a lot more.You have to remeber that ESPN and Harrah's want you to think that they are all just first timers getting lucky and that you can do it too. How many of you can honestly say you knew of Tex Barch before the ME this year - probably not a whole lot of you.Its funny how people think the winners of events are donks or "how can they even consider going pro?" - Answer: because they were already doing it for a living (probably before you heard about poker), this just happened to be their first big cash.

To the OP : YEEAHHHH BBOOOOOOYYYYYYY!Quote unquote. Flava Flav.

[Jdr999 0]

I think everyone who survives today's huge fields to make the final table had to catch a card or two at times.Heck, when Brunson one his last WSOP event, at least as far as the hands they showed on TV are concerned, he was a dog in maybe half the big hands I saw. Of course, I guess with his aggressive style that will happen.I thought Hachem was a pretty strong player, though, in my admitadly amateur opinion. The all in with Q 7 S ended up being a bad call, but maybe he saw something that made him think the other guy was weak. He was also getting short stacked, and had to be more aggressive. Getting lucky != bad player

This is wrong. Hachem limped first to act. One caller, Kantor raised, Hatchem re-raised all-in. It was a large raise, and got called by Kantor. He would of never called all-in with that hand.

[Longshanks 0]

did hachem not tip the dealers when he won or something?

[Vatche 0]

did u listen to the live audio streaming? or r u basing this post on what u saw on espn?everytime hachem put a chip in the pot, kanter raised him...at one point u have to make a stand. he made his stand at the wrong time and got lucky...its not like he called of all his chips, he made a move...as far as the lazar hand, let me ask u something...if ur short stacked and u get AQ suited 5 handed, ur going to throw it away? i dont understand what ur saying, "he got lucky"...all those players at one point in the tourny had chips gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter...there was at least 4500 donkeys in the tourny.

[HuHu 0]

I suggest you read the live update log....http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournament...273&screen=logsand you should also listen to to radio broadcast, i know it's long but I think you could use it as Vatche suggestedhttp://www.cardplayer.com/audio/wsop2005.php

[spm 1]

People are saying now that he's "consistant" since he got to the FT of a WSOP circuit event? Sure, now you can say that he actually knows how to play tournament poker, but c'mon, in the 2005ME Hachem got very lucky a few times in these ways: 1. Lazar donked off some chips to him after being on tilt from folding quad aces.2. Hit's a Q against Kanter, which I can't understand why he would go all in there. Kanter showed he would push, call, and reraise w/ absolutely nothing and was on an incredible rush of cards. Hachem had to think that kanter would call there w/ any two cards.3. Flopped straight against Dannendonk.Regardless, i'm not degrading Hachem as a player at all, for christ's sake he won the ME... so he's gotta be at least better than a majority of players. But to say that He's becoming a pro, which i've heard.... I believe it''s way too early to tell.Any thoughts?

I'd say it's just as ignorant to criticize him before all the evidence is in. He got lucky in the ME, so did everyone else that made the final table. The fact is that he is a pro. I'm not saying that he's just as talented as pros who have earned their living from years of grinding. The simple fact that he has no other job, makes him a professional poker player.

No it doesn't. He has enough money to be comfortable for the rest of his life. He will continue to play poker because he enjoys it and because PS will probably pay for all his entry fees. This does not necessary make him a pro.The fact he will probably become a poker pro doesn't rely on the fact he doesn't have another job.

[Juandastyle 0]

I never said Matusow was stupid for his KK hand... or the 10 10 that ended up knocking him out... those plays were both perfect... and I wish that that 4th heart hadn't come up (KK vs AA) so Matusow could have made a better showing at the FT

[Rowejob 0]

I think that people are just jealous because of people who win it. WHO CARES IF THEY ARE PRO OR NOT IF THEY WIN. They won, they caught some cards when they needed to to win and they got lucky a lot soo what. THEY WON. I have won some tournments where I got very lucky. It happens.