call a raise with high only hand oop?

[GooperMC 0]

I have been discussing this hand with another PLO8 player and we adamantly disagree on how to play this, so I thought I would see some more opinions.You have :clubs10: :spadesa: :diamondsk: :spadesk: UTG on a tight aggressive table. On this table there are frequently pre-flop raises and usually only 2-3 people seeing the flop when someone raises (personally I would find a new table but that isn’t the point).2 questions1) Do you limp knowing there is a likely raise?2) Lets say that you do limp and the CO raises pot do you call?

[navybuttons 15]

although people on this forum might diagree, i feel this is the sort of hand that is preferable when you are playing pot limit. (when you hit the hand you can really punish the lows to draw against you)also you mentioned that when someone raises there are only 2-3 people in the pot. your hand is the type of hand that may not do as well in a multi-way pot so you have a few options:1: raise and try to isolate a single player and stay aggresive if you hit the flop and be ready to fold if you dont (or if it puts a made low out there).2: fold and wait for a better position and a better spot so you know just exactly how committed you are going to be before entering the pot.3: call and if it gets raised get an idea of how many people are going into the pot before you commit any more chips.how to play it depends on your comfort level, your abilty to outplay you opponent after the flop, and your read of the table.

[InertGrudge 0]

I think this is a tough one, but this is a hand that I normally only play from the Button or CO in an unraised pot (or min. raised). Position is absolutely essential in O8, obviously, and especially with a hand in which you know you're only playing for half the pot.UTG, I really think I fold this hand. I mean, it looks beautiful, but not from this OOP. If you limp, you'll probably be forced to call a raise (or at least have the decision in front of you). If you raise from that position and get a caller in LP, it really puts you in a tough spot. On a flop of all low cards, what do you do if you get raised after you lead out? I just think that playing that hand from UTG leads to more questions than anything else. That being said, I hate your hand in a multi-way pot. If you were to play this, I think you'd have to raise it. If you limp and someone else raises, it all depends on how many others call, I think.Seriously though, at a TAG table, I'd muck it.

[TGoldman 0]

I limp with this hand 100% of the time in all positions and will call a raise behind me nearly every time.People who say 10C AS KD KS is a hand that only plays for half the pot are wrong. If you play the hand the way it's supposed to be played, you will rarely win less than the whole pot simply because you'll be folding the majority of the time two or more low cards flop.It's true that the majority of the time, two or more low cards will flop and you'll probably have to fold (Unless the high card makes your set). Especially if the pre-flop raiser is aggressive and prone to making continuation bets on the flop, then that should be enough implied odds to justify the pre-flop call and set the trap for an enormous check-raise on the flop.Really, it's a piece of cake. ~80% (I just made that % up) of the time you'll be folding having lost about 3-6 big blinds. The other ~20% you'll make some kind of broadway wrap, top two-pair, or set and will check-raise or pot the flop. Most pre-flop raisers will give up right there and you'll win ~ 10-15 big blinds, but occasinally you'll find someone unable to fold AA, or steaming, or just curious and win his whole stack. It's worth the gamble.

[Chamonyx 0]

I limp with this hand 100% of the time in all positions and will call a raise behind me nearly every time.People who say 10C AS KD KS is a hand that only plays for half the pot are wrong. If you play the hand the way it's supposed to be played, you will rarely win less than the whole pot simply because you'll be folding the majority of the time two or more low cards flop.It's true that the majority of the time, two or more low cards will flop and you'll probably have to fold (Unless the high card makes your set). Especially if the pre-flop raiser is aggressive and prone to making continuation bets on the flop, then that should be enough implied odds to justify the pre-flop call and set the trap for an enormous check-raise on the flop.Really, it's a piece of cake. ~80% (I just made that % up) of the time you'll be folding having lost about 3-6 big blinds. The other ~20% you'll make some kind of broadway wrap, top two-pair, or set and will check-raise or pot the flop. Most pre-flop raisers will give up right there and you'll win ~ 10-15 big blinds, but occasinally you'll find someone unable to fold AA, or steaming, or just curious and win his whole stack. It's worth the gamble.

I agree 100%. In addition, if LP does raise and you call, you will probably price in other pre-flop callers, increasing your implied odds.

[ThatPkrGuy 0]

limp..and call a raise if you can get heads up...if raised and reraised just dump...if raised from middle position and a flat call from late i would call and see if i could spike a nice high hand to punish any low drawers that wanna hang around.I think playing this hand...even out of position is ok if you limp and don't commit to much preflop and can get away post flop easily if need be.

[GooperMC 0]

Thanks for the input guys.

[Rocketwadster 0]

People who say 10C AS KD KS is a hand that only plays for half the pot are wrong.  If you play the hand the way it's supposed to be played, you will rarely win less than the whole pot simply because you'll be folding the majority of the time two or more low cards flop.

I agree. Hands like that the majority of the time will win 100% of the pot. One thing I would like to note however is that if you are limping UTG expecting someone behind you to raise, well, that can backfire pretty easily, and will allow someone to play the hand for cheap that most likely would not have played had you raised. Unless I have a monster 2-way hand (ie. ace ace 2 3 double suited), I definately do not like to limp in that position. 8)