Longshanks 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 how do you do it? i mean how do you not get drawn out on, i seriosuly dont get it, im not one to bitch about this sorta thing but im starting to think if i can ever do it, so anyway, for those who have won big tournies, whats your secret? Link to post Share on other sites
Nugzy 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I am the greatest player ever. The only time I bust out of a tournament is if someone sucks out on me after the money goes in. If they suck out before the money is in, I can sense it and fold. I only bust from a tournament if Im unlucky. This is all because I am the greatest player ever. Link to post Share on other sites
the red bull 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I am the greatest player ever. The only time I bust out of a tournament is if someone sucks out on me after the money goes in. If they suck out before the money is in, I can sense it and fold. I only bust from a tournament if Im unlucky. This is all because I am the greatest player ever. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Understanding the intricacies of the structure on the site you're playing is one of the more important things people don't talk about. Party's structure is pretty bad, but I'm most familiar with it. You need a double up in the first hour, and the 2 or 3 levels after the first break are the biggest weed-out levels there are. Link to post Share on other sites
Konidias 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Tournaments are a lot about making moves at the right time. Stealing pots when you're in a good position, and of course... catching cards now and then.I tend to make it deep into tournaments and then I get bored and donk off my stack on coinflip situations and whatnot. In hopes to either double up or I guess, get knocked out.I've made it to a lot of final tables where there was more than 700 players... The key is timing and waiting to play strong preflop hands and whatnot. Also there is no reason to play weak or tight at different times in the tourney. If you get AA on the first hand, you better try to double up at least. The more chips you get early on, the better chance you have at lasting. (and making up for the times you'll get sucked out on) Link to post Share on other sites
jooka 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 big laydowns. Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 they arent getting drawn out on cuz they are the ones drawing out :-) Link to post Share on other sites
noodoz 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 To win a tournament you will have to survive a three outer or worse hit on you and hit a three outer or worse on someone else in key situations. Other than that just play good poker for what the structure dictates and your first tourney win will happen. Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
noodoz 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 To win a tournament you will have to survive a three outer or worse hit on you and hit a three outer or worse on someone else in key situations. Other than that just play good poker for what the structure dictates and your first tourney win will happen. Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 ive won 2 tourneys with 4800 people in them.If you play the same tournament structure enough you can sense where you have be at differnt times in the tourney. I juust seem to have a sixth sense of when to push and when give up on a pot.I find that late in the tourney, when the blinds are high, people try to not lose. The pros always take advantage of this by raising a lot. This is where I feel I take over the tourney. I exploit this by raising with marginal cards every time I can. You gobble up blinds and antes and when they call you preflop, I always bet out the flop. Sometimes youiu even get a big hand too, and they pay you off big time. Play to win the tourney and not to survive at this late tournament situation. Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Longshanks 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 so making moves early is a big key? that makes sense so you dont have to be going all in later on Link to post Share on other sites
noodoz 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 To win a tournament you will have to survive a three outer or worse hit on you and hit a three outer or worse on someone else in key situations. Other than that just play good poker for what the structure an situaton dictates and your first tourney win will happen. Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
goose 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Winning a tournament = mostly luck.The area between mostly and fully is your skill level, and the greater it is, the more you'll finish up there.... Remember that if you're playing in 1000 man tournaments, winning once ever 300 entries is pretty damned good. Unless you're playing small sngo's, no matter how good you are you're going to bust out the majority of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
noodoz 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Depends on what you mean by making moves early. You shouldn't be recklessly making big bluffs into small pots, but you should aggressively look to increase your chip count. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 the key to withstanding suckouts, which will ALWAYS happen in big tournaments, is to get a big stack or go out early.take some risks early. don't be afraid to push a flush draw or two. if you're playing within your bankroll, then losing a buyin on a "donkey" play early isn't going to waste any of your money. TJ eckleburg is right--the structures of online sites are such that one needs a double up quite early in order to wait out the time after the break when all the weak/tight-ers are blowing their last 2 or 3 big blinds.the basic idea is that if you have the most chips at the table, you can't be taken out on one hand. do what it takes to get in that position. Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 how do you do it? i mean how do you not get drawn out onI do the drawing out Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerghost2 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 think about winning or top 3 the whole way instead of cashing. take some risks early to get a big stack, be aggressive, always observe who is playing too tight and relieve them of their blinds, then switch to cash games when all that doesnt work. Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Your sample size is probably too small, or you are getting all your chips in too much. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 win a couple coin flips,or dont get outdrawn Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 think about winning or top 3 the whole way instead of cashing. take some risks early to get a big stack, be aggressive, always observe who is playing too tight and relieve them of their blinds, then switch to cash games when all that doesnt work.Probably the best advice yet. When there are 400 people are the start of the tourney, say to yourself "399 to go", not "360 to the money!". The latter will find you busting out around the money or just within the money. PLAY TO WIN, not to cash. Personally, I just made my 2nd MTT FT in 2 days about 15 minutes ago and my "just outlast them" side kicked in. was chip leader with 20 to go and busted out 9th b/c I layed down A-J in my BB. Had 18k left with6k in for my BB and would have tripled through, but folded and blinded down. Off to play another, keep your head up and NEVER give up. Link to post Share on other sites
scoobylee 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I have won 4 significant ($50 - $100) buy-in tournaments since July and this is what I have found.3 of the tournaments, I never had a chip stack less than average after the first half hour. I went significant stretches of time (30 minutes or so) where the deck hit just hit me in the face. What that allowed me to do was play in coin-flip situations against people with small stacks. In the tournaments I won, I won about 75% or so of the coinflips, which just allowed me to build my stack quickly and aggressively. For the most part I maintained a tight image and only showed down solid hands. I believe this became important late in the tournament as the field narrows and the quality of opponents likely became better. It allowed me opportunities to steal. My first hour strategy includes being excessively patient, looking for a strong opportunity to double up. I will try and limp in pairs and look for sets. I will almost exclusively raise with good hands and I have a tendency to fold to aggressive action. I only call draws if the pot odds are right, because on a site like Party, you could drop from 1000 to 600 or lower chasing a draw, and that means if you hit a double up, you are losing 800 chips in potential earnings (difference between 600x2 and 1000x2). On sites that start with 1500, I will be a little more flexible. When I get a great hand, I will be aggressive and push it in. Because the players in the first hour are often very week, I will likely double up a significant amount of time.In developing my tournament strategy, I have two overriding goals. 1) Make the money, 2) win. Making the money is important to me because at the least it allows me to keep my bankroll at a reasonable level, because in tournaments you will only cash about 20% of the time. Once I am comfortably in the money, if I am on a short stack, I will gamble recklessly and hope to move up and challenge for the final table. If I have an average or above average stack. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I hate giving advice to make people better but FCP is home. Quit looking at that "Call" button so much and lean towards the "Raise" or "Fold" buttons. Calling off your stack is a sure way to an early exit. Don't think you're committed to a pot since you've raised, if you miss and have reasonable draws, fire out a feeler and fold if you sense strength. You're not forced to put more chips in the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
76clubs 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 It takes a lot of talent to win the Main event of the WSOP like me, thats all I got to say.(WSOP on PSP) Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 i have only one for 5k so take it for what its worth.keep playing your best(helluva lot harder than it sounds).dont be afraid to go out on the bubble ,play ultra aggressive at the bubble.once u r in the money pick on the medium stacks not the big or shortstacks.when its getting late in a tourney and u have a good stack try to avoid races with people that can cripple or eliminate u, see flops and test the waters just dont shove them in when u see ak aq 88 or similar hands.if uplay a strong game u are bound to get lucky someday(sometimes lucky is just not beeing unlucky) Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 You're probably playing way to passive.Keep waiting around for big hands, and you let yourself get lucked out on, or blinded out.Don't be afraid to take (calculated) risks. If you're always playing worst case scenario instead of picking out what the real scenarios probably are, then you need to start practicing how to read your opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
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