60 minutes tonight

[BeanGW 0]

That doesn't work at all logically.  The reason online gambling is different is that it takes place in the home.  This is why parents are responsible as well as the institutions.  Because the transactions occur online, only someone in the same place can see the person making the transaction, i.e., the parents of the minor in question.  Sites should do everything reasonable to prevent minors from playing.  Parents should do the same.  Saying parents should take action where their children are concerned in online gambling is like saying that they should take responsibility to stop their children to prevent them from drinking in the home.  It makes perfect sense.

Dude... I didn't say that parents should have no responsibility, what I was countering was the idea that parents should have full responsibility and the sites should be free to do whatever they want. And yes, I was being a little liberal by taking his idea to the next step, but it's equally ludicrious to say that the online sites should have no responsibility.

[BeanGW 0]

My logic is NOT silly, because the slanted report, and $cumb@g$ like Senator Kyl, use the point of protecting children to exploit their own self-righteous thought-police actions that take away my freedoms to do something that can hurt nobody else.

My purpose was not to get into equating gun purchases with online gambling. To be honest, the sale of alcohol to minors might be the better of the two analogies, but again, that's not the point.Also, I'm not arguing for censorship at all. Actually it's quite the reverse. What I'm saying is that if sites do not take efforts to prevent those players who have no right to be on their site, in the end it will end up leading to the very censorship that neither one of us wants. It will make it even easier for the scumb like Kyl to push through thought-police type bills.And yes, it is silly and wrong to believe that all parents can monitor their 16 year olds actions on their computer, at friends houses, libraries, schools, internet cafes, etc. etc. Parents are only one link in the chain of protecting their children. Not to be too Hillary Clinton, but it does take a village my friend.

[generalben 0]

That doesn't work at all logically.  The reason online gambling is different is that it takes place in the home.  This is why parents are responsible as well as the institutions.  Because the transactions occur online, only someone in the same place can see the person making the transaction, i.e., the parents of the minor in question.  Sites should do everything reasonable to prevent minors from playing.  Parents should do the same.  Saying parents should take action where their children are concerned in online gambling is like saying that they should take responsibility to stop their children to prevent them from drinking in the home.  It makes perfect sense.

Dude... I didn't say that parents should have no responsibility, what I was countering was the idea that parents should have full responsibility and the sites should be free to do whatever they want. And yes, I was being a little liberal by taking his idea to the next step, but it's equally ludicrious to say that the online sites should have no responsibility.

It's not the online site's responsibility. It's about personal responsibility of the user. The online site is there to provide the service to us and collect its rake. It is not the site's responsibility to say to the kid, "Let me see your ID," or, "Son, I think you've been playing a bit too much and lost too much money. Maybe you should quit before you screw your life up." It is the parent's responsibility to take care of their own child.

[pgrocard 0]

The idea that we seem to be getting at is that parents of minors and the sites themselves should share responsibility in keeping children from gambling. It is deplorable that some sites have no protections to keep minors away, when there is plenty of money to be made just by taking it legally (or quasi-legally, in the case of Americans).

[WayneBullet 0]

The show did get me to thinking though. I have a 3 year old. I don't have to do much monitoring of my downloaded sites. As my son gets older I will have to watch him. He already has a huge intrest in the game. I taught him the shapes of the cards and numbers. We play with the chips, stacking and he recites the colors to me. His favorite part is sliding all the chips into the middle saying all in. So, Party Poker players wouldn't even notice they are playing a 3 year old.I will have to watch that though. I am not afraid of him ever stealing my credit card and doing that though.

[clingfree 0]

That doesn't work at all logically. The reason online gambling is different is that it takes place in the home. This is why parents are responsible as well as the institutions. Because the transactions occur online, only someone in the same place can see the person making the transaction, i.e., the parents of the minor in question. Sites should do everything reasonable to prevent minors from playing. Parents should do the same. Saying parents should take action where their children are concerned in online gambling is like saying that they should take responsibility to stop their children to prevent them from drinking in the home. It makes perfect sense.

Dude... I didn't say that parents should have no responsibility, what I was countering was the idea that parents should have full responsibility and the sites should be free to do whatever they want. And yes, I was being a little liberal by taking his idea to the next step, but it's equally ludicrious to say that the online sites should have no responsibility.

It's not the online site's responsibility. It's about personal responsibility of the user. The online site is there to provide the service to us and collect its rake. It is not the site's responsibility to say to the kid, "Let me see your ID," or, "Son, I think you've been playing a bit too much and lost too much money. Maybe you should quit before you screw your life up." It is the parent's responsibility to take care of their own child.

It IS the online sites responsibility to make sure that people using their site are of age. Much the same as it the bars responsiblity to make sure that all people at the bar are of age. Unfortunately, if they don't step up and take this seriously then we will all suffer from increased legislation in the long run.

[TobyOrNotToBe 0]

I've walked past Senator Kyl many times in my internship this time. Maybe next time I'll slip a $20 and tell him I won it online, just to see what happens.

You really need to do this and tell us what happens.

I'm also going to find out how the Senator I'm working for (...Democrat from the East coast, for a hint) feels about it. He works on the Judiciary Committee as well, so maybe he can offer a bill countering Senator Kyl's that would legalize it.I doubt that would ever happen, but you never know.

Just tell him he can tax it like everything else democrats do and blame Bush for the rake and Kerry's rigged and such . They're good at that.

[TobyOrNotToBe 0]

It's just a matter of time before online poker is all the way legal in the states. The U.S. can only keep its head in the sand for so long.

that statement is patently false.see: 2004 election

Awwwwwwwww, don't cry so much about your BAD BEAT (election). You can chase your two outer again in in 08. :cry:

[Pupsta 0]

It's just a matter of time before online poker is all the way legal in the states. The U.S. can only keep its head in the sand for so long.

that statement is patently false.see: 2004 election

Awwwwwwwww, don't cry so much about your BAD BEAT (election). You can chase your two outer again in in 08. :cry:

not crying at all.i can't help it that the majority of this country is retarded.

[Mr Vayne 0]

the only retarded folk in the US are the fools that actually wasted their vote on a gold digging treasonous SOB flip-flopper :twisted:

[Jdr999 0]

the only retarded folk in the US are the fools that actually wasted their vote on a gold digging treasonous SOB flip-flopper :twisted:

Poker forum, not political forum. Take your debate to off topic, please.

[Mr Vayne 0]

the only retarded folk in the US are the fools that actually wasted their vote on a gold digging treasonous SOB flip-flopper :twisted:

Poker forum, not political forum. Take your debate to off topic, please.

Mr Forum Officer,i'm simply flowing with the traffic :twisted: so Relax

[Mikeh77 0]

Just saw the commercial for 60 minutes tonight.  Thought it was funny."If it's illegal to gamble on the internet, why are millions of Americans doing it."  :roll:

Howard Stern is on!!!(i think) What time is it on in the Eastern Time Zone?

"I invented gambling...who who...tell em' Fred."

Ah a fan of Dopie and Aintfunny, hosts of the "Howard Stern Tribute Show" on XM? I figured there were a few...just didnt think they would advertise.

[PFunk 0]

the only retarded folk in the US are the fools that actually wasted their vote on a gold digging treasonous SOB flip-flopper :twisted:

bwahaha...you said flip flopper.Proof positive that some of you certain die-hard Bush advocates are nothing but sheep with no kind of opinion or higher form of deep thought....good luck with being a moro.n-P.

[doublemeup 0]

Just saw the commercial for 60 minutes tonight. Thought it was funny."If it's illegal to gamble on the internet, why are millions of Americans doing it." :roll:

Howard Stern is on!!!(i think) What time is it on in the Eastern Time Zone?

"I invented gambling...who who...tell em' Fred."

Ah a fan of Dopie and Aintfunny, hosts of the "Howard Stern Tribute Show" on XM? I figured there were a few...just didnt think they would advertise.

Uh....dopie and aintfunny aren't a millionith of what the howard stern show is. If you don't love the Howard Stern Show you have some serious issues man.