is party poker's blackjack rigged?

[Brownbeard 0]

When PartyPoker brought in blackjack, I got to admit, I was one of the poor suckers who tried it - for minimal $$ - just to have a look. Well, I won my first hand and proceeded to lose the next however many until I gave up and quit - never to try it again. I know someone else mentioned that they lost their entire 4-figure bankroll the first day they got it and someone else mentioned losing a pile of hands in a row before quitting. Has anyone out there won any money playing blackjack on PartyPoker or are these scoundrels pulling a fast one on us poor suckers?

[bobbywithani 0]

It doesn't need to be rigged.

[DDiabolical 0]

Ofcourse it's ****ing rigged that's the whole idea of casino games.

[allinbluff35 0]

The only way you can beat online blackjack is through bonus' that online casinos offer. Even then you're going to lose some money but by wagering a certain amount of money you'll collect more money than you lose just because of the bonus.

[guinevar 0]

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[Jeepster80125 0]

When PartyPoker brought in blackjack, I got to admit, I was one of the poor suckers who tried it - for minimal $$ - just to have a look.  Well, I won my first hand and proceeded to lose the next however many until I gave up and quit - never to try it again.  I know someone else mentioned that they lost their entire 4-figure bankroll the first day they got it and someone else mentioned losing a pile of hands in a row before quitting.  Has anyone out there won any money playing blackjack on PartyPoker or are these scoundrels pulling a fast one on us poor suckers?

When you play blackjack in a live casino, you see the shoe. You know roughly how many cards there are. Let's say you have a horrible run and only catch two tens or better over 35 hands. That's a lot of low cards that are out of the shoe. It would be safe to say that there are a lot of high cards left in the shoe, considering the information that we have picked up. Do you understand how the deck evens itself out if there is a run of either high or low cards? Do you see how it is random to a point, but evens itself out? Now let's go to online blackjack. The cards are not dealt from a shoe, they are dealt randomly with the help of a RNG. I don't think you bothered to read my link to what a RNG is in your "Online Poker is Rigged" thread a couple weeks ago. Oh well. Anyway, the deck is "shuffled" constantly, after every card is dealt. It has no memory, so if there is a horrendous run of high or low cards (like there may have been with you), it is impossible for the "shoe" to catch up. Is it rigged? Only for idiots. Make sense, or is it rigged like everything else?

[Jeepster80125 0]

Nevermind. I remember you. You are the All-Powerful-Advice-Giver-Of-The-Ages! Can I have some advice, please? You qualified yourself to Daniel with

Nothing like taking advice from someone far less successful than you ...

Now I would like some advice from you. I asked about oil futures before, but now I want advice on something else. I want to know why I hook my drive the way I do. It sucks. I can't fix it. What would you suggest? But you better not give me advice like you gave Daniel. This better be good. Thanks.J in Colo.

Nothing like taking advice from someone far less successful than you ...Anyways, I emailed you months ago recommending you slow it down a little and focus more on poker.  Now I would recommend moving down in stakes a little and booking some $100,000 wins.  Your life has gotten very, very crazy busy and no one (even a superstar like you) can handle everything that's happened to you over the last few years and expect to still be at the top of your game.Not that you haven't been playing well but even you are admitting you played a little poorly at the end of the last session.  The fact that you are getting up and then getting run over shows me that things are not going your way but also, you're playing better at the beginning of the sessions before you get overly stressed and just run down.It can't be easy being at the top of the poker mountain and looking down at all these gunslingers aiming at you.  Now throw in huge media attention, way too much responsibility for a professional gambler (Stacked, TV shows, columns, etc.), being filmed while you're playing, proposition bets and a new marriage and I'd say you should slow it waaayyy down for a while.  

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...5096&highlight=

[grgimpy 0]

i don't believe the deck is shuffled continuously. i think i read on party's site that they shuffled it after 10% of the deck was out. this pretty much makes no difference being that there are 8 decks, but this is how it is

[Valuecall 0]

Blackjack is a high-variance game. Despite the small house edge, players or the dealer can go on big streaks -- whether in live or online play.Even live play is not a winning proposition (rare exceptions to the contrary.) Have you seen Las Vegas? Have you seen all those nice buildings? Do you know what has paid for all those nice buildings?Party Gaming has had their gameplay, RNG, and algorithms reviewed by iTech Labs. A google search will probably bring you to their website and you can see if you trust their 3rd party review.If it eases your mind any, I have played a small amount of blackjack at PartyGaming's casino sites (before the merge into Party) while clearing a bonus. My outcome was fortunately positive on that site. So people DO win. But the house wins in the long run. Guaranteed.

[ggriffin 0]

craps is rigged

[Stylin_Fish 0]

All online blackjack is rigged.I was sitting in the pokerroom lobby yesterday about to watch a friend play in a SNG(I was talking a break) and they had Tech Support there answering a bunch of questions and of course there were a bunch of people just spamming random junk.There was one guy spamming "BLACKJACK IS RIGGED ON POKERROOM, THEY CHEAT." I just started laughing.

[SLEEPYCHIEF 0]

For casino's it's a cash cow!!

[jjbacardi 0]

This question is probably more suitable for Andy Bloch.

[7_two_officesuit 0]

I think it is. I got sucked out of my bankroll last week. :cry: It always seems to deal you losing hands as you increase your bets... The moment you try to let it ride, you'll get a 16 and the dealer will show a 10... It's just awful. I deleted the whole button so I don't have to look at that stupid thing anymore.Thank goodnes for poker.

[missIdaho 1]

Yes.

[whirleymob 0]

i won 5 bux playin blackjack on party... its not rigged

[shakes03 0]

For some odd reason Party Poker sent me a mouse pad with a letter in the mail the other day. The letter was talking about the new side bets and blackjack games they have. When the blackjack part came up it said they have a 97% pay rate. So if I'm correct, that means the PP does have some control on whether you when or lose, right? When I looked on PP's website though it didn't say anything about.

[nosoul 0]

Here's some useful tips about blackjack that will, hopefully, convince you to quit playing it online.1 - it's only beatable if you bet more when the count is in the player's favor2 - the count is irrelevent until half the shoe is dealt. This isn't entirely true, but it's a good rule of thumb. It gets into the "effective count" stuff that's just too confusing.3 - the more cards that have been dealt out of the shoe, the more it favors the player, regardless of the count. i.e. the house edge is less with 25% of the shoe left than with 50% left for any count.4 - online, they shuffle very frequently so very little of the shoe is ever dealt.Blackjack swings a lot in the casino because they deal enough of the shoe for the player to occassionally have an edge over the house. This doesn't happen online. The house ALWAYS has a significant edge online. The ~1% edge in casinos takes into account the fact that the players have the edge every now and then. The house edge online will be much higher.It's not "rigged" in the sense that they intentionally deal you bad cards. It IS "rigged" in the sense that the house has a significant edge and it's not beatable.

[nosoul 0]

For some odd reason Party Poker sent me a mouse pad with a letter in the mail the other day.  The letter was talking about the new side bets and blackjack games they have.  When the blackjack part came up it said they have a 97% pay rate.  So if I'm correct, that means the PP does have some control on whether you when or lose, right?  When I looked on PP's website though it didn't say anything about.

Not entirely. That means the house edge is about 3%. They can control that by the payout structure. For example, if hitting blackjack payed 3:1 instead of 3:2 then the player would have the edge.They also control it by how much of the shoe is dealt. The fewer cards dealt before a shuffle, the better it is for the house. They don't, however, manipulate the cards in any way. It's all based on the math behind the game.

[seed of Doyle 0]

I played blackjack on Bodog and it mirrors the information posted in this thread about PP. All online casino games other than poker seem to be a joke. Start with small bets and you win a few hands, bigger bets = lose every hand. Live blackjack is starting to be ridiculous too with that *!@# King Machine shuffler. The dealer will go through roughly a full deck of cards and then feed it right back into the shuffler. A constant 6 decks shuffling so you never have the shoe anymore.

[CrazyJoe 0]

a 3% edge IS NOT COOL!!! What are the rules for this maniacal blackjack? I've never heard of a blackjack game with that big of an edge, your regular casino blackjack even with 8 decks is still under .5% house edge

[PA32R 0]

Blackjack is a high-variance game. Despite the small house edge, players or the dealer can go on big streaks -- whether in live or online play.Even live play is not a winning proposition (rare exceptions to the contrary.) Have you seen Las Vegas? Have you seen all those nice buildings? Do you know what has paid for all those nice buildings?Party Gaming has had their gameplay, RNG, and algorithms reviewed by iTech Labs. A google search will probably bring you to their website and you can see if you trust their 3rd party review.If it eases your mind any, I have played a small amount of blackjack at PartyGaming's casino sites (before the merge into Party) while clearing a bonus. My outcome was fortunately positive on that site. So people DO win. But the house wins in the long run. Guaranteed.

Yes. Slot machines, video poker and PPV sporting events.

[Jennings7 0]

Nevermind. I remember you. You are the All-Powerful-Advice-Giver-Of-The-Ages! Can I have some advice, please? You qualified yourself to Daniel with

Nothing like taking advice from someone far less successful than you ...

Now I would like some advice from you. I asked about oil futures before, but now I want advice on something else. I want to know why I hook my drive the way I do. It sucks. I can't fix it. What would you suggest? But you better not give me advice like you gave Daniel. This better be good. Thanks.J in Colo.

Nothing like taking advice from someone far less successful than you ...Anyways, I emailed you months ago recommending you slow it down a little and focus more on poker. Now I would recommend moving down in stakes a little and booking some $100,000 wins. Your life has gotten very, very crazy busy and no one (even a superstar like you) can handle everything that's happened to you over the last few years and expect to still be at the top of your game.Not that you haven't been playing well but even you are admitting you played a little poorly at the end of the last session. The fact that you are getting up and then getting run over shows me that things are not going your way but also, you're playing better at the beginning of the sessions before you get overly stressed and just run down.It can't be easy being at the top of the poker mountain and looking down at all these gunslingers aiming at you. Now throw in huge media attention, way too much responsibility for a professional gambler (Stacked, TV shows, columns, etc.), being filmed while you're playing, proposition bets and a new marriage and I'd say you should slow it waaayyy down for a while.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...&highlight=

If you are a rightie, you are probably turning your right wrist in as your about to make contact with the ball. This can be corrected by either standing a little farther up so the ball is closer to being lined up with your right foot or opening up the head of the club more to over compensate for turning in your right wrist. I play a lot of golf, and although I am self taught, those are a few ways I've corrected my hook.

[nosoul 0]

a 3% edge IS NOT COOL!!! What are the rules for this maniacal blackjack? I've never heard of a blackjack game with that big of an edge, your regular casino blackjack even with 8 decks is still under .5% house edge

The rule is that they only deal 10% of the 8 deck shoe. That's enough to do it. Casinos deal more than half the shoe.

[Jeepster80125 0]

If you are a rightie, you are probably turning your right wrist in as your about to make contact with the ball. This can be corrected by either standing a little farther up so the ball is closer to being lined up with your right foot or opening up the head of the club more to over compensate for turning in your right wrist. I play a lot of golf, and although I am self taught, those are a few ways I've corrected my hook.

I haven't left my house for work yet. I just went outside and shot a few balls (I live on 4 acres). That makes sense to stand so the ball lines up with the back foot. I also tried opening up the club. I almost hit a neighbor's house. I need more practice. Thanks.