jj (not what you're probably thinking)

[zimmer4141 0]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Js], [Jc]. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls.Flop: (9 SB) [9s], [4d], [9c] (4 players)SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.Turn: (6 BB) [2s] (3 players)SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero ???Do you guys dump it here, or call this one down?

[pokerplayer24 0]

Getting 10:2 to call down i'm probly calling this down.

[DCWildcat 0]

I'm definately not dumping this one. But maybe that's why I don't play 5/10.

[Actuary 3]

getting 5:1 I call down.But, I call down a lot. Still, win more than I lose at sd.Any reads?Not alot of hands SB should be semi-cold calling PF that have you beat.He may put you on missed oversHe may be semi-bluffing a FD.He may be stoned.Or you could be drawing to 2 outs.With no reads, call.More an more it's jsut a guessing game; but man, do they bluff a lot out there. No idea about 5/10 though. Still perplexed at the pf call. I think it's a smaller pocket pair or semi-bluff FD, more often than a 9 to make calling down correct.I'd 3-bet before I'd fold. (but I'd call)

[dreamcaster 0]

I believe SB may have page 123 open in Hold'em Poker for advanced players.Some noob outplayed me at the casino last week on the same kind of hand. Except I raised his bet on the flop and he lead out on the turn with another player left to act behind me and took down the pot. He had a flush draw on the flop. That hand still bugs me today.I feel it is nothing more than a semi-bluff with a spade draw.Aseem, ScreechIf my read is correct, what move written below would be better?Call the turn and value bet the river if any non-spade or overcard hits. If one hits, just call down/check behind.or3-bet the flop. River action the same as above move. If 4 bet...call down.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Without a very good read that suggests otherwise, I call this down. Even a passive player could have a smaller pocket pair here.

[Actuary 3]

Aseem, ScreechIf my read is correct, what move written below would be better?Call the turn and value bet the river if any non-spade or overcard hits.  If one hits, just call down/check behind.or3-bet the flop.  River action the same as above move.  If 4 bet...call down.

they can be PM'd. :roll:

[dreamcaster 0]

They could have. :doh:

[justblaze 0]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

[looshle 6]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

3 betting here sucks. You aren't getting any action from a hand that you beat.

[Actuary 3]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

3 betting here sucks. You aren't getting any action from a hand that you beat.

flush draws who like to semi bluff.

[Abbaddabba 0]

What are they calling the flop with, for them to have picked up a backdoor flush?

[screech 0]

Zim,One thing I've found at 5/10 is everyone loves to wait for the turn to raise. It works wonders on me, because I'm an over-aggressive donkey and never have a hand.If I ever get a hand, I'm calling these guys down to find out what they have. As dreamcaster said, it is likely that they could be semi-bluffing. Hands like QsJs would definetly stick around on this innocent looking flop.Another possibility is they have a 4x, or a pp like 77, and are just too in love with the turn raise to even consider raising the flop. SB could also be FOS and think that you're FOS too. Then again, he may have a 9, but I think the chances that you are good here are too high to fold.

feel it is nothing more than a semi-bluff with a spade draw. Aseem, Screech If my read is correct, what move written below would be better?

It would not 3-bet this turn because folding to a cap sucks.I would call the turn and check/call the flop. It's unlikely he has a pair to go with his semibluff on this board. It's more likely he just has two spade overcards.There's a good chance you are behind here. I don't like putting in extra bets when I htink I'm behind. Also, if your opponent is semi-bluffing, he'll only call/raise your bet on the river if he can beat you. On the other hand, he may bet if he misses and you check to him on the river. You don't really stand to win much more by 3-betting/leading, but you stand to lose a lot more.

[justblaze 0]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

3 betting here sucks. You aren't getting any action from a hand that you beat.

a) you get flush draw semi bluffs and pocket pairs<JJ to call and B) you get naked overs like AK AQ to fold their equity.

[looshle 6]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

3 betting here sucks. You aren't getting any action from a hand that you beat.

a) you get flush draw semi bluffs and pocket pairs<JJ to call and B) you get naked overs like AK AQ to fold their equity.

I skimmed real quick and didnt see the flush draw. I still think it's really close but I would probably 3 bet it with teh flush draw out there.

[screech 0]

this hand is totally read dependent. this is a horrible call down with a passive opponent and an easy 3 bet with an agressive opponent.

3 betting here sucks. You aren't getting any action from a hand that you beat.

a) you get flush draw semi bluffs and pocket pairs<JJ to call and B) you get naked overs like AK AQ to fold their equity.

I'd like this play but I don't think we have very much FE vs overs.Also, I think we get 3-bet here often enough to make me think twice.

[akishore 0]

before anyone three-bets, please know in advance if you're folding to a cap or calling down.personally, i think both options suck complete ass. i don't three-bet this for the life of me, except against a know super maniac.aseem

[mrdannyg 274]

before anyone three-bets, please know in advance if you're folding to a cap or calling down.personally, i think both options suck complete ass. i don't three-bet this for the life of me, except against a know super maniac.aseem

this seems to be totally read-dependent. i hate playing any here than .5/1 without PT ever since I got PT because i never know what to do in situations like this, and any PT stats make this such an easy decision.if i've been checking out a skirt though and have no reads despite being in middle position, i call this down, and give the dealer a papercut by mucking my cards so hard when i see my opponent's A9o.and i think 3-betting in a situation like this is a spew, plain and simple. i don't think you are ahead nearly enough in a situation with no reads to make it worthwhile. but against any maniac or tricky player, i think it is standard.

[jayboogie 0]

3-betting is chip spewing really, there's no need for it. I would call this down in just about any instance and probably expect to be beat, but there's not a whole lot you can do there if somebody outflops you like that.If you call down, your going to pick off bluffs, if you 3-bet, you let your opponent lay their hand down safely if they don't have it. If your ahead here, you should want them to keep firing/bluffing and if your behind, you want to lose the minimum, which is why calling down is the best option.