SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Gov: I'm in the media...a newspaper editor...and the very idea of censorship is anathema to what I do and who I am.DN wants a clean forum, fine. His house, his rules. But to censor words like rape, nazi and racist means he doesn't give credit to his users to be able to have an intelligent conversation. In context, none of those words is inherently vulgar.Are those words ever misused? Of course, but there are other ways to punish offenders rather than treating everyone in the forum like they're in Grade 2.Personally, i feel he could back off on the filters without compromising the wholesome nature of a poker forum. Posting primarily in the army thread, i'm not used to using SW, but I feel one is probably necessary on the preceeding paragraph.nice job old man. Link to post Share on other sites
lucky_charmz 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Gov: I'm in the media...a newspaper editor...and the very idea of censorship is anathema to what I do and who I am.DN wants a clean forum, fine. His house, his rules. But to censor words like rape, nazi and racist means he doesn't give credit to his users to be able to have an intelligent conversation. In context, none of those words is inherently vulgar.Are those words ever misused? Of course, but there are other ways to punish offenders rather than treating everyone in the forum like they're in Grade 2.Personally, i feel he could back off on the filters without compromising the wholesome nature of a poker forum. Posting primarily in the army thread, i'm not used to using SW, but I feel one is probably necessary on the preceeding paragraph.nice job old man.Based on what usually gets posted in the General Forum, why should he? Not to say that I agree with censoring the words at all, but to say that there shouldn't be any censorship because DN can trust us to use the words in context doesn't sound right to me. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 what religion is daniel again?Canadian Link to post Share on other sites
lucky_charmz 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 what religion is daniel again?CanadianHe's a Christian if I'm not mistaken.. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 what religion is daniel again?CanadianHe's a Christian if I'm not mistaken..ummmm.................. SW Link to post Share on other sites
Juandastyle 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 the day i can't say "doodoo popsicles" on FCP is a day i don't wish to ever see... Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 How closely is the method to bypass the filter being watched? Swearing may not be an adequate replacement for intelligent articulation, but when one is engulfed in "flaming" (no pun intended) these words serve to express the emotion the poster is expressing much more effectively and emphatically than some dictionary word could. IMHO Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 How closely is the method to bypass the filter being watched? Swearing may not be an adequate replacement for intelligent articulation, but when one is engulfed in "flaming" (no pun intended) these words serve to express the emotion the poster is expressing much more effectively and emphatically than some dictionary word could. IMHONot that (insert KDawg interferring cause you dared me to do it, pw3nd) closeP.S. Just kidding. Please don't ban me. Link to post Share on other sites
AngloBoy 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Gov: I'm in the media...a newspaper editor...and the very idea of censorship is anathema to what I do .... Yeah, cos there's no censorship in newspapers.Censorship is everywhere. People can swear if they want to, it just gets blocked and replaced with the word "censored". What's wrong with that?If people want to rant, and rave they can start a blog. I'm sure if then people start leaving obscene, or insulting remarks you'll change your mind about censorship then.Daniels site, Daniels rules. Link to post Share on other sites
711Buddha 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 is a responsibility, not a right.Too often I see those in the media claim entitlement simply because they might one day add value. The value, if it existed, would be self-evident and the debate moot. The fact we're discussing it means that the media has not fulfilled its promise. Further, the media hasn't a need to post on a poker message board, and off topic conversations about history really don't belong here.I'm comfortable with the level of censorship, and I'm not forced to endure profane drivel to read or make posts and I do appreciate that. I have never encountered an instance where I needed to use profanity to make a post, nor can I imagine one. I prefer the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 I'm in favor of an FCP "better descriptive adjective" contest. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 is a responsibility, not a right.Too often I see those in the media claim entitlement simply because they might one day add value. The value, if it existed, would be self-evident and the debate moot. The fact we're discussing it means that the media has not fulfilled its promise. Further, the media hasn't a need to post on a poker message board, and off topic conversations about history really don't belong here.I'm comfortable with the level of censorship, and I'm not forced to endure profane drivel to read or make posts and I do appreciate that. I have never encountered an instance where I needed to use profanity to make a post, nor can I imagine one. I prefer the status quo.what the **** did he just say? Link to post Share on other sites
Rybo 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 How closely is the method to bypass the filter being watched? Swearing may not be an adequate replacement for intelligent articulation, but when one is engulfed in "flaming" (no pun intended) these words serve to express the emotion the poster is expressing much more effectively and emphatically than some dictionary word could. IMHONot that (insert KDawg interferring cause you dared me to do it, pw3nd(and yes, I'm doing it in teh quote too. haha, just funning y'all)) close. P.S. Just kidding. Please don't ban me. Is your post script necessary after every word to appease the banning gods? Link to post Share on other sites
elaear 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 is a responsibility, not a right.Too often I see those in the media claim entitlement simply because they might one day add value. The value, if it existed, would be self-evident and the debate moot. The fact we're discussing it means that the media has not fulfilled its promise. Further, the media hasn't a need to post on a poker message board, and off topic conversations about history really don't belong here.I'm comfortable with the level of censorship, and I'm not forced to endure profane drivel to read or make posts and I do appreciate that. I have never encountered an instance where I needed to use profanity to make a post, nor can I imagine one. I prefer the status quo.do you not realize that the word "racist" is censored? what if someone came here and made an insulting comment towards Phil Ivey regarding his race? you would want to say "someone please ban this damn racist". but wait, you can't.the point is not that there shouldn't be a swear censor at all, but rather that there are words that are censored that shouldn't be. like i said in my original post, i'm pretty sure DN did not create the censored word list himself, and i wanted to make him aware of the aforementioned fact.swear words should be censored, and nothing else. there's a reason why sh-- is censored but "feces" and "dung" isn't. Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 How closely is the method to bypass the filter being watched? Swearing may not be an adequate replacement for intelligent articulation, but when one is engulfed in "flaming" (no pun intended) these words serve to express the emotion the poster is expressing much more effectively and emphatically than some dictionary word could. IMHONot that (oops, I'm doing it here too. seriously, daring me to mess with y'all just makes me do it) close. P.S. Just kidding. Please don't ban me. Is your post script necessary after every word to appease the banning gods?I'm not sure. I think I'll just add it in my signature. Link to post Share on other sites
elaear 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 Gov: I'm in the media...a newspaper editor...and the very idea of censorship is anathema to what I do and who I am.DN wants a clean forum, fine. His house, his rules. But to censor words like rape, nazi and racist means he doesn't give credit to his users to be able to have an intelligent conversation. In context, none of those words is inherently vulgar.Are those words ever misused? Of course, but there are other ways to punish offenders rather than treating everyone in the forum like they're in Grade 2.Personally, i feel he could back off on the filters without compromising the wholesome nature of a poker forum. Posting primarily in the army thread, i'm not used to using SW, but I feel one is probably necessary on the preceeding paragraph.nice job old man.Based on what usually gets posted in the General Forum, why should he? Not to say that I agree with censoring the words at all, but to say that there shouldn't be any censorship because DN can trust us to use the words in context doesn't sound right to me.jeff was arguing for less censorship, not no censorship at all. Link to post Share on other sites
711Buddha 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 is a responsibility, not a right.Too often I see those in the media claim entitlement simply because they might one day add value. The value, if it existed, would be self-evident and the debate moot. The fact we're discussing it means that the media has not fulfilled its promise. Further, the media hasn't a need to post on a poker message board, and off topic conversations about history really don't belong here.I'm comfortable with the level of censorship, and I'm not forced to endure profane drivel to read or make posts and I do appreciate that. I have never encountered an instance where I needed to use profanity to make a post, nor can I imagine one. I prefer the status quo.do you not realize that the word "racist" is censored? what if someone came here and made an insulting comment towards Phil Ivey regarding his race? you would want to say "someone please ban this damn racist". but wait, you can't.the point is not that there shouldn't be a swear censor at all, but rather that there are words that are censored that shouldn't be. like i said in my original post, i'm pretty sure DN did not create the censored word list himself, and i wanted to make him aware of the aforementioned fact.swear words should be censored, and nothing else. there's a reason why sh-- is censored but "feces" and "dung" isn't.The fact that it makes it more difficult to flame another poster is not an arguement in favor of changing it. We seem to get more than enough flaming without it. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Gov: I'm in the media...a newspaper editor...and the very idea of censorship is anathema to what I do and who I am.DN wants a clean forum, fine. His house, his rules. But to censor words like rape, nazi and racist means he doesn't give credit to his users to be able to have an intelligent conversation. In context, none of those words is inherently vulgar.Are those words ever misused? Of course, but there are other ways to punish offenders rather than treating everyone in the forum like they're in Grade 2.Personally, i feel he could back off on the filters without compromising the wholesome nature of a poker forum. Posting primarily in the army thread, i'm not used to using SW, but I feel one is probably necessary on the preceeding paragraph.Jeff, I just wanted to pat you on the back, not only for what you wrote, but also for being the only poster in this forum who has *ever* sent me running for a dictionary:a·nath·e·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nth-m)n. pl. a·nath·e·mas A formal ecclesiastical ban, curse, or excommunication. A vehement denunciation; a curse: “the sound of a witch's anathemas in some unknown tongue” (Nathaniel Hawthorne). One that is cursed or damned. One that is greatly reviled, loathed, or shunned: Good show! Link to post Share on other sites
elaear 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 what religion is daniel again?Canadianfunny, but please quote the right person next time. Link to post Share on other sites
Smiggarette 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 who cares? most banned words can easily be substituted for cleaner wordsPlease change your signature. The giant blue letters have got to go.Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Nico_Ban 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 "I love words. I thank you for hearing my words. I want to tell you something about words that I uh, I think is important. I love..as I say, they're my work, they're my play, they're my passion. Words are all we have really.We have thoughts, but thoughts are fluid. You know, [humming]. And, then we assign a word to a thought, [clicks tongue]. And we're stuck with that word for that thought. So be careful with words. I like to think, yeah, the same words that hurt can heal. It's a matter of how you pick them.There are some people that aren't into all the words. There are some people who would have you not use certain words. Yeah, there are 400,000 words in the English language, and there are seven of them that you can't say on television. What a ratio that is. 399,993 to seven. They must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous, to be separated from a group that large. All of you over here, you seven. Bad words. That's what they told us they were, remember? 'That's a bad word.' 'Awwww.' There are no bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad Intentions." George CarlinHere is the link to the whole bit. If you have never heard it, its funny. Just one mans opinion.http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Nice post, but is there anyone in the English Speaking World who didn't hear Carlin's 7 Dirty Words bit when they were around 13? Link to post Share on other sites
Nico_Ban 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Nice post, but is there anyone in the English Speaking World who didn't hear Carlin's 7 Dirty Words bit when they were around 13?I would figure but you never can be too sure. Link to post Share on other sites
elaear 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 bumpity. Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 i agree. there are only about 4 words that should be censored. Link to post Share on other sites
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