all in preflop 400plo

[bdc30 0]

***** Hand History for Game 3014093801 *****400 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Thu Nov 10 14:02:54 EST 2005Table Table 73616 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 3: ( $388.10) EPSeat 4: ( $500.90) HeroSeat 5: ( $440.10) MPSeat 9: ( $312.80) Button** Dealing down cards **Dealt to Hero K , A , 8 , A EP raises ( 8 ) to 8Hero raises (30) to 30MP calls (30)Button calls (30)EP raises (148) to 156Hero raises (470.90) to 500.90Hero is all-In.MP folds.Button folds.EP calls (232.10)Anybody play this differently?

[Smasharoo 0]

I'd tend to just call the raise in position and try to get all in out of position.Stack is short enough that it really doesn't matter too much I guess.good luck.

[spt24 0]

your not a dog to much at all, there is 60$ extra in the pot, this move works. Although the last two times I made this move(aces ds) the villian spiked his trips QQ, and 33 respectively. Did that happen to you? What was villians hand?

[bdc30 0]

My thought when I pushed was that the only hand that wouldcall would likely be the other two aces, and I feltstrong with the double-suitedness.I wouldn't have minded taking the pot down right then and there, either, hoping to steal the $175 or so that wasalready sitting out there.Results later.....

[RawTurkey 0]

The first reraise: questionable. The second reraise: obvious. You're worried about AA + better low card.

[bdc30 0]

The first reraise: questionable. The second reraise: obvious. You're worried about AA + better low card.

It's not High/Low.Low cards don't bother me much.

[spt24 0]

vs AKAK ds you still have 47% expected equity - due to mostly splitting the pot tying. vs AAKQ ds you have 48% equityvs AAQJ ds you have 48% equityvs QJQJ ds you are 57% to winvs AKQJ ds you are 67% to winvs JT98 ds you are 60% to winvs 9988 ds you are 61% to winvs 9987 ds you are 61% to winAnd all of the above are double suited and not in your two suits (which would be rare).I don't know how else to say that no hand has you in trouble (pot odds wise)EP puts in 388, you put in 388, the pot has 836 in it so you have put 46% of that money in. Get your money in with the best of it, if you can withstand variance, and live with the results. Otherwise don't raise preflop and hope this monster flops an ace, a straight or a flush draw. Proceed from there.

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, you obviously played the hand right. If you ran into a hand you were a slight dog to and ended up losing, that's just bad luck.

[greatwhite 0]

I don't see how they could possibly be dog in any hand. Their opponent would have to have a better AA.

[kaisersoze12 0]

I'd tend to just call the raise in position and try to get all in out of position.Stack is short enough that it really doesn't matter too much I guess.good luck.

The value of this is that you know the guy has aces, you know the other two are in your hand, you know he won't hit the flop (at least with the aces), and you know a pot bet if checked to you will take it down? Otherwise, if he bets the pot on the flop, you take your chances with your aces against their's? Is that the logic of calling in position? This is assuming both stacks have enough to pot without being completely all-in post flop otherwise you put it in pre-flop?

[DevilfishFan 0]

I folded aces to a reraise this morning, but I had two unsuited rags to go with them. He ended up having my outkicked. I think this is only a terrible play if you know you're the best player at the table, and you know you can outplay them all for a nice profit.

[spt24 0]

I don't see how they could possibly be dog in any hand. Their opponent would have to have a better AA.

yeah, that is basically what my post above confirms... anyways, how did this hand end up?

[jj_frap 0]

If you ever turn down a chance to get all of your chips in the middle with double-suited aces, you should probably consider a game that has no luck and no variance whatsoever.How about chess?

[Jonny5 0]

The only reason you should not go all in is if you are sure he has AA as well. If there is a chance he has anything else then you are a favorite. If you know for certain he has AA as well, then sometimes just call if you are OOP, then bet out on any flop (stop and go basically). This has the bonus of winning pots you would have tied when he folds and still losing tieing pots when he calls

[bdc30 0]

So, as you all may have guessed, I lost the hand.I was less worried though about the result than I was about the decision to get all in. I felt likeit was the right move, and I'm pretty sure that it was, I just wanted to see what the forum thought.The other guy ended up having A 10 J Q and of course hit his spade flush, on the river.Figures, since I had his hearts covered. I think the boardended up something like 2 6 6 8 Q The $400 hit to the roll hurt for a bit, but I've gotten it back since then. I would make the same move again,if faced with the same decision.Thanks guys.

[Jonny5 0]

So, as you all may have guessed, I lost the hand.I was less worried though about the result than I was about the decision to get all in. I felt likeit was the right move, and I'm pretty sure that it was, I just wanted to see what the forum thought.The other guy ended up having A 10 J Q and of course hit his spade flush, on the river.Figures, since I had his hearts covered. I think the boardended up something like 2 6 6 8 Q The $400 hit to the roll hurt for a bit, but I've gotten it back since then. I would make the same move again,if faced with the same decision.Thanks guys.

I would stay away from all ins preflop in Omaha if you are playing above your bankroll. Even though you are a favorite, your opponent will not usually be a huge dog, so the variance can be pretty rough, especially if they are getting to be 3+ player all ins. You should have a minimum 20 buyins for whatever level you are playing (and this is only if you are a pretty consistent winner).... 50 buyins is much more comfortable

[bdc30 0]

I'm not playing above my roll, I have more than enough to play 400 max PLO. I was just saying it sucked to lose the buy-in.I'd still do the same thing if I had the choice.

[cardcore 0]

I play the hand the same way. He probably had KK xx, and you had one of his outs anyway. He won't go that far with a single suited ace; it's fair to say you were ahead.I say well played, do it the same way every time.

[bdc30 0]

haha wtf was i thinking posting this (yes, I'm bored at work tonight) I miss the good ole days of playing $400plo....

[BudBundy 0]

Bring Smash back to this forum FFS

[bdc30 0]

that's how i found the post - looking through old smasharoo threads...lol