wats up with the hating on helmuth?

[mick_all_in 0]

i sense a bit of straight out jealousy of wat this guys done.Credit where credits due this guy has 9 WSOP, bracelets thats probably more than this entire forum.Had 2 laugh at first post i read on the site sayin helmuth not beeing in the top 100 players,gimme a break.Didnt he just beat the top 64 players in pokers purest form heads up.Please correct me if im wrong bout any of the above statements .Granted he is prone 2 the occasional tantrum*giggles*but the guy is pure poker genius on his day.Im no poker expert i just enjoy watchin quality play just dont understand the hating.LOVE THE SITE BY THE WAY 8)

[speedz99 145]

Granted he is prone 2 the occasional tantrum*giggles*

"Occasional" is an understatement. The guy tries to suck people into playing pots with him, and then completely bashes them when they suck out on him. He's obnoxious, rude, and IMO pretty funny...but if I was playing against him I would probably want to beat the crap out of him.I hope that clears it up *farts*.

[mick_all_in 0]

As someone said on another post watever sells,obviously working 4 him he makes $ away from the tbl because of it.

[Ball_Sack 0]

I love Phil.I would do naked yoga with him.

[mick_all_in 0]

wouldnt go that far but the guys definately got game

[Golden 2]

i sense a bit of straight out jealousy of wat this guys done.Credit where credits due this guy has 9 WSOP, bracelets thats probably more than this entire forum.Had 2 laugh at first post i read on the site sayin helmuth not beeing in the top 100 players,gimme a break.Didnt he just beat the top 64 players in pokers purest form heads up.Please correct me if im wrong bout any of the above statements .Granted he is prone 2 the occasional tantrum*giggles*but the guy is pure poker genius on his day.Im no poker expert i just enjoy watchin quality play just dont understand the hating.LOVE THE SITE BY THE WAY   8)

YSALPKYOther than that, I think Phil gets respect as a fantastic player.

[ajs510 122]

Completely ignoring the fact that he's a fantastic poker player, Hellmuth seems like a waste of a human being. Granted, I only know what I see on TV, and what I see on TV is largely an act designed to cultivate a certain "Poker Brat" image, but what I've read from other pro's who know him personally seems to indicate that he's exactly the same way when he's not at the table. Thinks he's that much better than everyone else, and I have a real problem with primadonnas. If I was that guy getting berated after winning a pot, you better believe I'd have some things to say back, instead of just sitting there taking the abuse. I have no patience for the guy, at least when Matusow gets after a guy you can tell he has a good heart about it and can take some ribbing in return. I think the fact that Hellmuth's wife is a psychologist is the only thing holding him together...

[AlphaOmega 0]

i sense a bit of straight out jealousy of wat this guys done.Credit where credits due this guy has 9 WSOP, bracelets thats probably more than this entire forum.Had 2 laugh at first post i read on the site sayin helmuth not beeing in the top 100 players,gimme a break.Didnt he just beat the top 64 players in pokers purest form heads up.Please correct me if im wrong bout any of the above statements .Granted he is prone 2 the occasional tantrum*giggles*but the guy is pure poker genius on his day.Im no poker expert i just enjoy watchin quality play just dont understand the hating.LOVE THE SITE BY THE WAY 8)

I don't think anyone has been saying that he is not a good player, because he is. He is certainly not in league with the other top pros in terms of all-around game, specifically cash games, however. Playing heads up is a very high variance game, and has been repeatedly bashed on this forum in particular as a means of determining the better player. I'm not taking anything away from Hellmuth, though. I think people would be less inclined to bring Hellmuth down a peg if he didn't put himself on such a pedestal.

[blueodum 0]

So the guy won an INVITATIONAL tournament in a heads-up format this year.Other than that he's done relatively little the last few yers. There's over a hundred players who've had more tournament success over the last two years; if you don't believe me, check out the Cardplayer PoY standings in 2004 and 2005 and find out where he stands.This is the number one reason the guy is hated: his opinion of himself as a poker player is WAY WAY out of proportion to his actual poker abilities.I mean, his own freakin DVD refers to him as "the greatest poker player alive". That's a jopke.It's gotten to the point where we have to wonder whether Bill Fillmaff is a parody of Phil Hellmuth, or vice versa.

[MikeR 0]

I guess it's a matter of taste. Watching Ariea play the wsop last year, he was such a dick I had to change the channel at times. But Phil's different. He's entertaining because I don't think he's like a normal dick, but I honestly don't believe he thinks other people in the world are real. He makes me laugh. A lot.

[CaneBrain 95]

Completely ignoring the fact that he's a fantastic poker player, Hellmuth seems like a waste of a human being. Granted, I only know what I see on TV, and what I see on TV is largely an act designed to cultivate a certain "Poker Brat" image, but what I've read from other pro's who know him personally seems to indicate that he's exactly the same way when he's not at the table. Thinks he's that much better than everyone else, and I have a real problem with primadonnas. If I was that guy getting berated after winning a pot, you better believe I'd have some things to say back, instead of just sitting there taking the abuse. I have no patience for the guy, at least when Matusow gets after a guy you can tell he has a good heart about it and can take some ribbing in return. I think the fact that Hellmuth's wife is a psychologist is the only thing holding him together...

This whole post is completely off base.The party line on Hellmuth from DN and many others including Andy Glazer, John Bonetti and others have said that Phil is a jacka$$ at the table and the nicest guy away from it.I would love to know which other pro's you speak of.

[onlymyBgame 0]

Im no poker expert i just enjoy watchin quality play just dont understand the hating.

that's because people who dont know a lot about poker dont understand how mediocre he is. he plays good cards in a straightforward manner and occassionally makes big laydowns. so the book says he's good, but everyone knows how to play by the book. he's weak/tight against good players and tilts easily. he is way too unwilling to gamble in the early stages of a tournament and, as a result, unless the deck hits him in the face for houyrs on end, i dont think he'll ever make it to 10 bracelets.he claims to be one of the greatest players alive but he doesnt regularly play in any big cash games. in fact, he's a complete donator whenever he does. the guy has a hugely inflated ego which makes everyone dislike him and when you couple that with his utter lack of success on the wpt the past 2 seasons and his frequent televised mistakes and whining at the wsop, you get a figure who's widely hated.

[mick_all_in 0]

i think people are making assumptions on wat hes like based solely on wat they see on tv ,the guy only plays a limited schedule cause he doesnt like 2 b away from his family.seems like he could be totally diffrent away from the table.

[speedz99 145]

Im no poker expert i just enjoy watchin quality play just dont understand the hating.

that's because people who dont know a lot about poker dont understand how mediocre he is. he plays good cards in a straightforward manner and occassionally makes big laydowns. so the book says he's good, but everyone knows how to play by the book. he's weak/tight against good players and tilts easily. he is way too unwilling to gamble in the early stages of a tournament and, as a result, unless the deck hits him in the face for houyrs on end, i dont think he'll ever make it to 10 bracelets.he claims to be one of the greatest players alive but he doesnt regularly play in any big cash games. in fact, he's a complete donator whenever he does. the guy has a hugely inflated ego which makes everyone dislike him and when you couple that with his utter lack of success on the wpt the past 2 seasons and his frequent televised mistakes and whining at the wsop, you get a figure who's widely hated.

Some good points...but to have 9 bracelets is a feat that shows he is a great NLHE tournament player. You can't deny that.

[JayPaav 0]

he must be doing something right.... we're talking about him...and we often do on this forum.i dont really think the guy does anything wrong, so he gets a little heated and excited when he's playing, dont we all.... ? i ****in hate when ppl bottle all their emotions - live a little... be annoyed, be angry and also.... be happy!stop ****in whining about him, youre beginning to sound like steve donkenman

[blueodum 0]

i dont really think the guy does anything wrong, so he gets a little heated and excited when he's playing, dont we all.... ?Have you ever seen Doyle Brunson, or Johnny Chan, or Allen Cunningham, or TJ Cloutier, or Eric Lindgren or Daniel Negreanu or Jennifer Harman or Barry Greenstein or Chip Reese or Phil Ivey etc react the way Hellmuth does to adversity at the table?The fact is that very very few REAL pros react to bad beats anything close to the way Hellmuth does.

[mick_all_in 0]

geez wat a gr8 world it would b the same

[PhilPhan99 0]

Listen....this guy may appear to be the tightest player on earth by the TV camera, but when he gets some chips....it is totally different.Remember, the TV only shows you what they feel is exciting to watch....namely the hands where Phil has to make a big laydown (which is usually followed by a rant) or where he LOSES (which is almost always followed by a whine). From the main event this year....Phil at one point was up around $50,000 chips....but we saw very little of him amassing that stack and nearly every frickin hand where he lost it back. The only time we saw anything other than Phil losing was on that cheesy Milwaukee's Best commerical when he bluffs a guy with six hi....you don't think there is more of that going on once he has chips? Now, yes...I am a fan and I think he is still great....but he does have problems adjusting to the changing game, and might not be the top ten player he once was. But to call him "mediocre" and say he playes too ultra-tight....this guy is still a VERY good player. I just wish right now he would still focus on being a poker player and less on being famous. And BTW, nearly everything I have read from the other pros about Phil away from the poker table suggests nothing but intense respect and like for the guy. PHIL

[DDiabolical 0]

*giggles*

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[SapphireTiger 0]

Completely ignoring the fact that he's a fantastic poker player, Hellmuth seems like a waste of a human being. Granted, I only know what I see on TV, and what I see on TV is largely an act designed to cultivate a certain "Poker Brat" image, but what I've read from other pro's who know him personally seems to indicate that he's exactly the same way when he's not at the table. Thinks he's that much better than everyone else, and I have a real problem with primadonnas. If I was that guy getting berated after winning a pot, you better believe I'd have some things to say back, instead of just sitting there taking the abuse. I have no patience for the guy, at least when Matusow gets after a guy you can tell he has a good heart about it and can take some ribbing in return. I think the fact that Hellmuth's wife is a psychologist is the only thing holding him together...

This whole post is completely off base.The party line on Hellmuth from DN and many others including Andy Glazer, John Bonetti and others have said that Phil is a jacka$$ at the table and the nicest guy away from it.I would love to know which other pro's you speak of.

He doesn't have to be on TV...he constantly berates individuals on the UB. of course, there's no cameras on him, but i guess he has to uphold his image.

[CaneBrain 95]

Completely ignoring the fact that he's a fantastic poker player, Hellmuth seems like a waste of a human being. Granted, I only know what I see on TV, and what I see on TV is largely an act designed to cultivate a certain "Poker Brat" image, but what I've read from other pro's who know him personally seems to indicate that he's exactly the same way when he's not at the table. Thinks he's that much better than everyone else, and I have a real problem with primadonnas. If I was that guy getting berated after winning a pot, you better believe I'd have some things to say back, instead of just sitting there taking the abuse. I have no patience for the guy, at least when Matusow gets after a guy you can tell he has a good heart about it and can take some ribbing in return. I think the fact that Hellmuth's wife is a psychologist is the only thing holding him together...

This whole post is completely off base.The party line on Hellmuth from DN and many others including Andy Glazer, John Bonetti and others have said that Phil is a jacka$$ at the table and the nicest guy away from it.I would love to know which other pro's you speak of.

He doesn't have to be on TV...he constantly berates individuals on the UB. of course, there's no cameras on him, but i guess he has to uphold his image.

I never said he had to be on TV. Your post didnt really add anything. I said he is an a$$ at the poker table. That includes an online poker table.I said away from a poker table of any kind, he is known as an extremely kind and generous person. There was a profile by Andy Glazer done on Phil H. that was on pokerpages.com a couple weeks ago. It details what I am talking about. Phil Gordon, Bonetti, Glazer and many others have publicly said it.....he is a complete jerk at the poker table and a wonderful person away from it. I dont condone his actions at a poker table.....but I would much rather be a good guy in life and a jerk at a poker table than vice versa....

[Jlowtrip 0]

The reason so many people bash Hellmuth is that he is a whiner and complainer. I do not think anyone would every question his ability as one of the best poker players in the world, but it is his attitude and lack of respect for others that people do not like. He really has a Terrell Owens type persona.Everytime he wins he never gives credit to the players around him for their abilities. Every time he loses he chalks it up to bad luck and is vocal about how bad the other players are and only won becasue of luck.Hellmuth was sitting at the table directly behind me in the main event at the WPT legends event this year on day two and he definetely lived up to the hype. Tim Phan was at his table (with a huge chip stack) and everytime Phil raised a pot, Tim re-raised him. Phil would complain that he was being bullied and whine and whine, Phan at one point told him to stop complaining and call the bet if he he did not like it. Hilarious. Then at one point a guy about 6'6' and 280 pounds sucked out on Phil with a J high backdoor flush and Phil flipped and called him a dumb monkey. This comment was loud enough that the 5 tables around him stopped and watched. The guy stood up and told Phil he did not care who he was, no one calls him a dumb monkey and that on the next break he would show Phil who the real dumb monkey was. Phil immediately stated apologizing and being a total Bitch. Great moment.All in all people who act like this in society do not deserve respect, no matter how good they may be at a particular game, sport or job. He sets a bad example for how a successful person should act in public and I am glad people like the guy at Legends and Steve Dannenman stand up to him and tell him how it is. I had the pleasure of playing with pro's Barry Greenstein, Dan Harrington, and Steve Brecher. Every one of them was a class act, when they got sucked out, they were the first to congratulate the player and were always polite to everyone.

[SapphireTiger 0]

Completely ignoring the fact that he's a fantastic poker player, Hellmuth seems like a waste of a human being. Granted, I only know what I see on TV, and what I see on TV is largely an act designed to cultivate a certain "Poker Brat" image, but what I've read from other pro's who know him personally seems to indicate that he's exactly the same way when he's not at the table. Thinks he's that much better than everyone else, and I have a real problem with primadonnas. If I was that guy getting berated after winning a pot, you better believe I'd have some things to say back, instead of just sitting there taking the abuse. I have no patience for the guy, at least when Matusow gets after a guy you can tell he has a good heart about it and can take some ribbing in return. I think the fact that Hellmuth's wife is a psychologist is the only thing holding him together...

This whole post is completely off base.The party line on Hellmuth from DN and many others including Andy Glazer, John Bonetti and others have said that Phil is a jacka$$ at the table and the nicest guy away from it.I would love to know which other pro's you speak of.

He doesn't have to be on TV...he constantly berates individuals on the UB. of course, there's no cameras on him, but i guess he has to uphold his image.

I never said he had to be on TV. Your post didnt really add anything. I said he is an a$$ at the poker table. That includes an online poker table.I said away from a poker table of any kind, he is known as an extremely kind and generous person. There was a profile by Andy Glazer done on Phil H. that was on pokerpages.com a couple weeks ago. It details what I am talking about. Phil Gordon, Bonetti, Glazer and many others have publicly said it.....he is a complete jerk at the poker table and a wonderful person away from it. I dont condone his actions at a poker table.....but I would much rather be a good guy in life and a jerk at a poker table than vice versa....

Dude, i wasn't disputing your point.

[mick_all_in 0]

so i guess the answer 2 my question 4 alot of you is u dont like the way he acts on tbl. i dont agree but every one can have there own opinion but as 4 saying the guy isnt in the top 60 players thats another story. if there are 60 better players than him i bet you 95% of them will only dream of having a better record.

[thatguy 0]

I think Hellmuth's glory days are over. He's still pretty good but he isn't as good as he gives himself credit for. He thinks hes just entitled to everyone's chips because he has nine bracelets and nobody ever gives him that respect at the table. Brunson and Chan on the other hand are taken very seriously by other players which is why they are still winning. I think if Hellmuth could focus more on his game instead of his bracelets and how much he hates losing a hand when hes more than a 50% favorite then he MIGHT start playing better but who knows.