Real Deal 0 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 PH wrote in card player"Beware of playing in the small-stakes poker games in Las Vegas or other casinos. No matter how good you are, it is very hard to beat the rake (the money that is taken out of every pot each hand). It’s best to avoid the $2-$4 limit games and lower, and watch the rake; if it seems like it’s too much, play with shorter money in a higher-limit game that is beatable." What is an example where you would not be beating the Rake? Link to post Share on other sites
RayPowers 0 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 One of the Casinos in AZ has a bad beat jackpot which is $1 of each pot, plus the usual rake of $1 per $10 (if I recall correctly), which, at a $2/$4 table is one small bet right there. If you're only able to beat a game for 1-3 big bets and hour, and the casino is taking more than that of your won pots, then you're not beating the rake. Ray Link to post Share on other sites
Geezy 0 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Beating the rake... it happens a lot this time of year.... you simply go in to your garage pick up your rake and beat it so your parents dont beat you when you dont rake the leaves.... this move is +ev :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
Real Deal 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 But if the pots are generaly big enough than it is not an issue? So really you just have to verify that the average money won outways the amount that the casino is taking. And if it is a loose game with big pots it wouldn't be a concern. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rake Link to post Share on other sites
Real Deal 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning? Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I thought that was exactly what I said in different words....if not....then well said , sir. Link to post Share on other sites
sanemancrazywrld 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.What limits are you playing ? The only time I see the house taking more than the average winning player is at the 1/2 and 2/4 games...You've been beat by the house in a 5/10 NL or a 10/20 game? Let me know where you're playing so I can be sure not to get raped. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I'll go ahead and break this down a little better. You're playing your local 2/5NL game. 10 handed , you're winning say....$25 an hour. The house rakes$5 from all 25 pots in the hour (this is a monster rake) the total rake on the hour = $125Divide the $125 by the # of players at the table and you get $12.50 per player. Congrats, you've beat the rake. Link to post Share on other sites
dpianomn 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.just played 10/20 live the other day. they took $5 per person every time they switched dealers, so basically $10/hr. that was real easy to beat. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 *sigh* You're not expected to be winning more than the entire table is contributing to the house. Maybe you just don't understand the concept of beating the rake. Maybe you do but are pretending you don't , who knows. But, again, beating the rake is winning more than YOUR personal contribution to the house. Using your math, NOBODY would EVER beat the rake. Please tell me your previous post was a joke...... Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 *sigh* You're not expected to be winning more than the entire table is contributing to the house. Maybe you just don't understand the concept of beating the rake. Maybe you do but are pretending you don't , who knows. But, again, beating the rake is winning more than YOUR personal contribution to the house. Using your math, NOBODY would EVER beat the rake. Please tell me your previous post was a joke......My previous post was for sanemancrazywrld, But I guess you withdrew your post after reviewing it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rakeNo.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions? Link to post Share on other sites
Real Deal 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 Thanks for the help. It was just a general question that I thought I understood and now after you explained it, I can verify I do understand it.I have just herd enough talk about this topic that I thought their must me more to it than what I understood. Thanks again and take care. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.Play online. Link to post Share on other sites
TobyOrNotToBe 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I'll go ahead and break this down a little better. You're playing your local 2/5NL game. 10 handed , you're winning say....$25 an hour. The house rakes$5 from all 25 pots in the hour (this is a monster rake) the total rake on the hour = $125Divide the $125 by the # of players at the table and you get $12.50 per player. Congrats, you've beat the rake.Good analogy Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rakeNo.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rakeNo.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake.Are you the implied dead horse? Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rakeNo.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake.Are you the implied dead horse?Yes, Yes I am....and you are the smelly lingering fart that just won't go away. Link to post Share on other sites
Real Deal 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 ok, ok EASY now. I had a simple question and got some helpfull tips by all.Enough said and thanks. I was actually surprised when I saw this thread going for so long without any flaming here.Peace,RD Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 ok, ok EASY now. I had a simple question and got some helpfull tips by all.Enough said and thanks. I was actually surprised when I saw this thread going for so long without any flaming here.Peace,RDFriendly banter Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 ok, ok EASY now. I had a simple question and got some helpfull tips by all.Enough said and thanks. I was actually surprised when I saw this thread going for so long without any flaming here.Peace,RDyou're an idiot, get off of this forum, don't post until you have 10 million posts you troll, toronto sucks, etc etc.seriously though...go leafs.and if you're winning, you're beating the rake. Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyz 0 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I have been running some sims on wilson software and even with online rake structure shorthanded games are almost impossible to beat. Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I have been running some sims on wilson software and even with online rake structure shorthanded games are almost impossible to beat.according to my latest calculations, bumblebees can't fly Link to post Share on other sites
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