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PH wrote in card player"Beware of playing in the small-stakes poker games in Las Vegas or other casinos. No matter how good you are, it is very hard to beat the rake (the money that is taken out of every pot each hand). It’s best to avoid the $2-$4 limit games and lower, and watch the rake; if it seems like it’s too much, play with shorter money in a higher-limit game that is beatable." What is an example where you would not be beating the Rake?

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One of the Casinos in AZ has a bad beat jackpot which is $1 of each pot, plus the usual rake of $1 per $10 (if I recall correctly), which, at a $2/$4 table is one small bet right there. If you're only able to beat a game for 1-3 big bets and hour, and the casino is taking more than that of your won pots, then you're not beating the rake. Ray

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Beating the rake... it happens a lot this time of year.... you simply go in to your garage pick up your rake and beat it so your parents dont beat you when you dont rake the leaves.... this move is +ev :shock:

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But if the pots are generaly big enough than it is not an issue? So really you just have to verify that the average money won outways the amount that the casino is taking. And if it is a loose game with big pots it wouldn't be a concern.

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How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?

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How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play?  Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?
I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.
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How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play?  Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?
I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.
What limits are you playing ? The only time I see the house taking more than the average winning player is at the 1/2 and 2/4 games...You've been beat by the house in a 5/10 NL or a 10/20 game? Let me know where you're playing so I can be sure not to get raped.
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I'll go ahead and break this down a little better. You're playing your local 2/5NL game. 10 handed , you're winning say....$25 an hour. The house rakes$5 from all 25 pots in the hour (this is a monster rake) the total rake on the hour = $125Divide the $125 by the # of players at the table and you get $12.50 per player. Congrats, you've beat the rake.

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I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player.  That would be cool.
just played 10/20 live the other day. they took $5 per person every time they switched dealers, so basically $10/hr. that was real easy to beat.
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*sigh* You're not expected to be winning more than the entire table is contributing to the house. Maybe you just don't understand the concept of beating the rake. Maybe you do but are pretending you don't , who knows. But, again, beating the rake is winning more than YOUR personal contribution to the house. Using your math, NOBODY would EVER beat the rake. Please tell me your previous post was a joke......

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*sigh* You're not expected to be winning more than the entire table is contributing to the house. Maybe you just don't understand the concept of beating the rake. Maybe you do but are pretending you don't , who knows. But, again, beating the rake is winning more than YOUR personal contribution to the house. Using your math, NOBODY would EVER beat the rake.  Please tell me your previous post was a joke......
My previous post was for sanemancrazywrld, But I guess you withdrew your post after reviewing it.
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If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rake
No.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?
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Thanks for the help. It was just a general question that I thought I understood and now after you explained it, I can verify I do understand it.I have just herd enough talk about this topic that I thought their must me more to it than what I understood. Thanks again and take care.

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How can you verify that it is a result of the rake being to high and not your play? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say if the casino takes more than the average player has made in a given hour, than the rake is winning?
I'd like to see a case where the casino takes less than the average player. That would be cool.
Play online.
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I'll go ahead and break this down a little better. You're playing your local 2/5NL game. 10 handed , you're winning say....$25 an hour. The house rakes$5 from all 25 pots in the hour (this is a monster rake) the total rake on the hour = $125Divide the $125 by the # of players at the table and you get $12.50 per player. Congrats, you've beat the rake.
Good analogy
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If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rake
No.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?
No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake.
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If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rake
No.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?
No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake.
Are you the implied dead horse?
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If the house has profited more than you over a given hour/session, you have not beaten the rake
No.1 - If you are making a profit, you are obviously beating the rake.2 - If you lost money in a session, and you would have made a profit for the session had the pots you won not been raked (or been raked less), you are not beating the rake.3 - If you are losing enough money that you would have been stuck for the session whether or not a rake had been taken for all the pots you won (if you won any) then you are beating yourself.Any questions?
No sense beating a dead horse. You can win and not beat the rake.
Are you the implied dead horse?
Yes, Yes I am....and you are the smelly lingering fart that just won't go away.
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ok, ok EASY now. I had a simple question and got some helpfull tips by all.Enough said and thanks. I was actually surprised when I saw this thread going for so long without any flaming here.Peace,RD
Friendly banter :club:
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ok, ok EASY now.  I had a simple question and got some helpfull tips by all.Enough said and thanks.  I was actually surprised when I saw this thread going for so long without any flaming here.Peace,RD
you're an idiot, get off of this forum, don't post until you have 10 million posts you troll, toronto sucks, etc etc.seriously though...go leafs.and if you're winning, you're beating the rake.
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