open ended straight flush draw decision

[Bubba83 0]

Full Tilt Poker $5 NL Hold'em MTTBlinds 50/100Hero: 1925 chipsMP2: 1650 chipsHero has Qh Jh on button. Preflop: UTG limps, MP2 limps, Hero limps, SB folds BB checks.Pot: 450 chipsFlop: Kh Ks 10h3 checks, Hero bet 200 chips, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 moves all-in for 1550.1350 to call, 2300 chips currently in the pot. What do you do?Note: I am 100% positive if our villain already has a full house he would not play it like this.

[Boogie711 0]

Call.You have 15 outs - any heart, any Ace or any 9. With two cards to come, you only need to be getting .85 to 1 to call, and with those odds, you're getting around what - 1.7 or 1.8 to call?And what the hell - it's a $5 tournament, and what's $5 with the chance to catch a Royal, right? :roll:

[timwakefield 68]

Definitely call if you think a straight is good. And he probably wouldn't overbet so much with a made full house. If I had no read on him I would call.

[Bubba83 0]

I just ran the percentages. If I'm up against a king I have a 40% chance to win the hand. If I'm up against a 10, which is probably less likely, then I have a 60% chance to win the hand. While pot odds say to call, it's pretty close and we are really crippled when we lose this, I think we might want to wait for a better spot to play a big pot?

[jayboogie 0]

I'd dump it, you've still got 1625 chips left, which is still fairly comfortable if you fold, however if you win the pot, you get some chips to do damage with, but survival in a tournament is important and when your putting in most of your chips in there, you want to be a favorite, not the underdog with barely the proper pot odds to call.A strong draw is still just a draw, it'd be fine pushing with it as you have fold equity, but calling with it is not so good when it's for a good chunk of your stack. Unless you have a really good read where he is capable of making some jackal like plays, I'd probably lay this down and wait for a better spot.

[Davin 0]

this is incredibly similar to one hand phil hellmuth wrote about. he was playing in a wsop and had qks. flop comes j-10-x w/ the j10 of his suit. he bet out, and was reraised all in. even though he had already committed either 1/3 or 1/2 of his chips into the pot, he knew that he was behind and he couldnt call off all his chips on just a draw. if he folded, he still had enough to play with and could rebuild his stack. of course, this is just one pro's perspective, but it does illustrate the importance of tournament chips

[shpaget 0]

It would be a real bitch if he had Ah9h.

[ChuckSty 0]

here's my take on this situation; in a big buy in tourney where you start with more chips, say 5000 and up i am not callin an all in here if i still have lots of chips.In an typical interent tourney where you start with 1500 chips or less i am much more inclined to make the call and try and double up. Although that being said i really don't like the idea of calling off all my chips, a preferable situation would be to able to push all in first and then make him make the call, obviuusly online he is going to make that call more oftne than not with the king and any kicker but maybe not. And i just donp't like the idea of calling when you know you have to catch up to win.now if i'm short stacked forget about i'll call for sure, and in any other situation if i don't think he's got a boat i'm definitely not afraid to be the aggressor and get all my chips in.

[copernicus 0]

why did you reopen the betting and let yourself be put to a decision? Check the flop.

[loogie 115]

If you're 100% positive he has a full house, then you have to fold. You're drawing to 2 outs.I agree with Copernicus on checking that flop.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I agree with Copernicus on checking that flop.

Especially because you have 3 opponents.

[Bubba83 0]

I think 95% of you would have told me to bet the flop if I hadn't shown the rest of the results. That said, I'm not going to even go into the flop bet.Also loogie, I said I am 100% positive he does NOT have a full house.

[loogie 115]

I think 95% of you would have told me to bet the flop if I hadn't shown the rest of the results. That said, I'm not going to even go into the flop bet.Also loogie, I said I am 100% positive he does NOT have a full house.

Wow, I really misread that.I'm in the 5% that would still have told you to check the flop. This is the kind of flop that people are dying to check-raise you with.I'm calling this bet in a $5 MTT. You're going to want to double up soon, this is almost a coinflip, and you're already invested in the hand. If you're positive he doesn't have a boat, I don't see how you can pass it up.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I think 95% of you would have told me to bet the flop if I hadn't shown the rest of the results. That said, I'm not going to even go into the flop bet.Also loogie, I said I am 100% positive he does NOT have a full house.

I think 95% is a bit high. Regardless, my opinion wouldn't change because you've got 3 opponents, one of whom could easily be hiding a king. With one opponent, I like semi-bluffing. Not with 3.

[copernicus 0]

I think 95% of you would have told me to bet the flop if I hadn't shown the rest of the results. That said, I'm not going to even go into the flop bet.Also loogie, I said I am 100% positive he does NOT have a full house.

I think 95% is a bit high. Regardless, my opinion wouldn't change because you've got 3 opponents, one of whom could easily be hiding a king. With one opponent, I like semi-bluffing. Not with 3.

I guess im one of the 5% also. Simple principle from Sklansky..dont reopen the betting if youre going to hate a reraise. Theres no question you hate a reraise here.

[Bubba83 0]

as I said before, forget the flop. I've posted hands before that were very similar asking for a flop decision and having everyone agree to bet. I now understand the importance of not showing further in a hand than you want to be analyzed.

[loogie 115]

as I said before, forget the flop. I've posted hands before that were very similar asking for a flop decision and having everyone agree to bet.

They were wrong. This is the most important part of this hand. If you don't bet the flop, you don't have to make this difficult decision. You get a free card, and if someone has a King they will likely pay you off, seeing as how they didn't care about the flush draw the first time around.And if I were to suddenly become a different player and played the flop like you did, I call his reraise for the reasons I stated before.