Nutcracker 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I've posted some overcalls situations in the past and always played them wrong. In this instance, I think I played it right for once. Tear me apart if I ****ed up again though!Been at this table for about 20 hands, and I'm watching football and browsing here, so no reads. I had notes on one guy at the table already, but he folded pf.Hero is BB with T:spade: J:spade:3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, sb raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.Flop (10 SB): A:diamond: J:heart: 2:spade:sb checks, hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, sb calls, hero calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.Turn(7.5 BB): K:spade:sb checks, hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.River(7.5 BB): A:spade:sb bets, hero calls, MP3 calls, Button raises, sb calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.Preflop: standardFlop: slightly loose, but getting 12:1 immediate, it isn't bad.Turn: I didn't have the equity to bet this unless all stay in. I was actually considering a check/raise if button bet and sb called, but that didn't happen.River: discuss Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 On the flop, I like raising better than calling here. You've got about 8 outs or so, if we give you 5 for Jacks and Tens and 1.5 each for the backdoor str8 and backdoor flush. Raising will often get you a free look at the river here. I think the pot is too big to fold your hand, but I personally hate calling.I think the river is ok. You've got two people to act behind you, which I think makes this a good situation for overcalls. I'm re-reading SSHE right now and haven't quite gotten to that section yet, so it's been a long time since I've read it and I'm not entirely sure, but I think you're good there. Of course, the button raising was great for you with the 2nd nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 On the flop, I like raising better than calling here. You've got about 8 outs or so, if we give you 5 for Jacks and Tens and 1.5 each for the backdoor str8 and backdoor flush. Raising will often get you a free look at the river here. I think the pot is too big to fold your hand, but I personally hate calling.I think the river is ok. You've got two people to act behind you, which I think makes this a good situation for overcalls. I'm re-reading SSHE right now and haven't quite gotten to that section yet, so it's been a long time since I've read it and I'm not entirely sure, but I think you're good there. Of course, the button raising was great for you with the 2nd nuts.I can see an argument for raising as button could just be betting since he was checked to and I could get a weak ace to fold from MP3 or CO, but with sb calling, he's not going anywhere and I very likely don't have the best hand, nor do I have an equity edge.And on the river, I don't have the 2nd nuts. The board paired, so I have like the 15th nuts. Had it not, I'd be raising that bitch all night long.Oh, and c/r the flop will not get me a free river "often". I used to try to c/r for a free card all the time and it just doesn't work. People bet when checked to on the turn after being c/r on the flop, even if I pull the double c/r a couple times on them. They just can't help themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 3 bet the river..ur bringing at least the sb and the button along for the ride which will be one more BB then ud get from going for overcalls Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 On the flop, I like raising better than calling here. You've got about 8 outs or so, if we give you 5 for Jacks and Tens and 1.5 each for the backdoor str8 and backdoor flush. Raising will often get you a free look at the river here. I think the pot is too big to fold your hand, but I personally hate calling.I think the river is ok. You've got two people to act behind you, which I think makes this a good situation for overcalls. I'm re-reading SSHE right now and haven't quite gotten to that section yet, so it's been a long time since I've read it and I'm not entirely sure, but I think you're good there. Of course, the button raising was great for you with the 2nd nuts.I can see an argument for raising as button could just be betting since he was checked to and I could get a weak ace to fold from MP3 or CO, but with sb calling, he's not going anywhere and I very likely don't have the best hand, nor do I have an equity edge.And on the river, I don't have the 2nd nuts. The board paired, so I have like the 15th nuts. Had it not, I'd be raising that censored all night long.Oh, and c/r the flop will not get me a free river "often". I used to try to c/r for a free card all the time and it just doesn't work. People bet when checked to on the turn after being c/r on the flop, even if I pull the double c/r a couple times on them. They just can't help themselves.Sorry, I blew that one...you don't have the 2nd nuts, you have the 2nd nut flush. What I meant was that I like the button raising because it gets more money in the pot when you're very likely to have the best hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I disagree with yuor analysis... but I don't know the results.prelop: good/Flop: at least call..but I think a raise might be good. Maybe clean up T outs.Turn: Bet!.. you have 12 outs to an almost nut or nut draw..plus you have J outs... maybe even some T outs...River: I think it's good.*************read replies*************I'm with CinciOn flop: You probably do have equity against 4 opponents..and if some fold, that's good.Matt: did you see the board pair? Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I misread the hand actuary. i thought the board had a straight and the back door flush on it...I think the call is probably alright since the board paired though i think u are still ahead enough times here Link to post Share on other sites
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