my objection with this "new" fcp

[captnwmkidd 0]

Whining about it isn't gonna change anything. If you don't like it, don't bother posting. I don't care if you don't like it, I also don't care if a few people don't like it.

A little advise, if I may.............First off, KDawg, congrats on becoming a moderator. You don't have to apologize for wanting to be one. Many posters here tossed their hat in the ring and you were chosen. Don't be embarrassed about campaigning for it.8000 posts in 10 months proves your loyalty to Daniel's forum, if nothing else.As a moderator though, it is critical that you remain above the chaos. Making comments, as the ones above, just belittles what a moderator is here to do. I understand that it is on the job training, so to speak.But, telling people if they don't like it, leave or correcting yourself and saying you meant to say its a persons perogative if they wish to stay and post, is not what Daniel intended a moderator to be, in my humble opinion.Your passion for making the forum better is great, but as a moderator, you must be careful on how you deliver your message. Getting into arguements or telling people not to post if they don't like it would never be something Daniel intended his moderators would do if they wished to keep their positionJust try to stay above the criticism without it being a personal attack on yourself. Look at it as a work in progress.

[loxo 0]

Whining about it isn't gonna change anything. If you don't like it, don't bother posting. I don't care if you don't like it, I also don't care if a few people don't like it.

A little advise, if I may.............First off, KDawg, congrats on becoming a moderator. You don't have to apologize for wanting to be one. Many posters here tossed their hat in the ring and you were chosen. Don't be embarrassed about campaigning for it.8000 posts in 10 months proves your loyalty to Daniel's forum, if nothing else.As a moderator though, it is critical that you remain above the chaos. Making comments, as the ones above, just belittles what a moderator is here to do. I understand that it is on the job training, so to speak.But, telling people if they don't like it, leave or correcting yourself and saying you meant to say its a persons perogative if they wish to stay and post, is not what Daniel intended a moderator to be, in my humble opinion.Your passion for making the forum better is great, but as a moderator, you must be careful on how you deliver your message. Getting into arguements or telling people not to post if they don't like it would never be something Daniel intended his moderators would do if they wished to keep their positionJust try to stay above the criticism without it being a personal attack on yourself. Look at it as a work in progress.

WOW...Great post.Kudos.

[kennyg1966 0]

i was talking to econ_tim, we both feel the same way.this place is becoming wannabe 2+2.one of the things which i loved about FCP was how simple and user-friendly the forums were. one for general, one for strategy, one for off-topic, and that was basically it (the others were rarely used). they all got heavy traffic and were all very effective.then, strat got split, but that was no big deal. the general strat forum definitely lost some traffic, but that was okay... we learned to deal with it. making separate forums for the games worked out well.but now, i've frankly been fairly turned off. micro-LHE? regular LHE? NLHE? and there's talk of making HUSH LHE and MHS LHE? what? i didn't know sklansky and malmuth ran FCP all of a sudden.is this really necessary? all of these forums, and i guarantee traffic is going to go down on each of them. are we really that obsessed with making sure no .50/1 LHE post gets into the regular LHE forum? who cares if there are some NLHE hands mixed with some LHE hands?just food for thought. i'm personally not a fan of this new FCP at all. it's not even a case of "i hate change", it's just... too much splitting apart for FCP's own good, IMHO.aseem

well said

[screech 0]

I personally like the split and feel it is necessary due to all the traffic this forum is getting.

[PrtyPSux 0]

DUDES!!!wtf is this? everyone fighting like little girls, seriously, it just looks bad. Most everyone that has posted in this thread is a well known and respected member, and it sucks to have people separating into groups, especially us. We should really be leading here, it sounds stupid and it I even feel stupid writing this type of sh*t (I wont complete the words DN I Promise) since I never have been an "internet" guy, or someone who joins little clubs and what not, but honestly, since I’ve been here I have come to make some really good friends, that I haven’t even met in person. I always kind of felt that in this forum I was like that guy in high school that hangs around with all the popular kids, but know one else really knows him. After reading this thread im really glad that i am "that guy", because I realize that if im not THAT well known in this forum, its because I'm one of the few that gets along with everyone and never tries to starts sht with people and cause controversy on the forum (I think I’ve only been flamed once, like last week or something) . Kdawg, Econ_tim, Aseem, you guys are the top posters in this forum and I think that even though your styles (as far as posting and poker go) are different, you should learn to disagree and stop trying to get the best of each other. I'll be honest, I talk with Keith the most , and yet I can keep completely neutral on this and not insult anyone, or join anyone’s little alliance. Its stupid. Ever Since the strat tables, I feel that the regulars in the strat forum have become closer knit, it would be really cool if everyone that participated got along though. I think we should keep having those types of "fun activities" so that we all get to know each other better, and If people stop being so negative with each other I think we could get something REALLY good going in the strat section. Personally I haven't posted there BECAUSE of the fact that it isn't separated and I just gave up on having to find the 3/6 (6 max) threads. Not that I wouldn’t like to help the .25/.50 posters, but I just feel I cant! It may sound arrogant, but I haven’t played that in a looong time and I was never like some of you that memorized SSHE, so I really don’t want to give out bad advice. However I feel I am pretty good at the levels between 3/6 (6 max) - 10/20 (6 max) so I can contribute more there. I think Justblaze said it best in his post on this topic. However, even though I do like the splits, I know exactly where Aseem, Zim, Econ, and the rest are coming from. It WILL feel like an empty party for a bit, but believe me, in a year from now you'll be happy that the General strategy section doesn't look like this:.5/1 hand KK vs 77 100/200 at the commerce Did I play this right?why does gus hansen play so many hands?WWYD?+EV to check here?chasing with no oddsGOD WHAT A SUCKOUT!!!WPT Foxwood hand vs Chan.10/.20 NL using Smash's Strategyetc. etc. etc.do you guys realize how much this site has grown in a year? can you imagine what it will be like in 1 more? CLEARLY Daniel wants this to be the best poker forum out there, and it can be, but to do so it MUST expand.I think that Everyone just needs to be Patient (we're all poker players, we know a thing or two about patience I hope.) the split forums will fill up eventually, and when they do we will all be happy that we are like the "God Fathers" of the strat sections. Really, Aseem and the rest of the crew need to adapt to the fact that the forum is going to go through some drastic changes. Likewise I think Keith as well as all of the other new mods should be more liberal and not feel like they should dictate the cadence of the forum. Jayson is a great example of how to handle situations with a calm and cool attitude, Steve is also already showing the willingness to take suggestions. It's all going to be a slow learning process, we will learn by mistakes and fix them. Well I guess this is my contribution to the "what can you do to make this a better forum" thread, call it a pep talk or whatever. I feel that if everyone, especially us "strat guys", can become a close group of friends since the beginning, we can all grow and improve as a whole, and in a few years from now WE'LL be the big name pros that help out by posting on FCP's strategy forums. Just don’t become a*holes once you start winning some bracelets :wink: .P.S. there is probably a lot of misspelling, I'll just take smash's excuse and say that its my ADD/Dislexia that caused it :-)also, I would like you guys to know, that i just typed more words on this post than anything i have done in college this semester.

[mobius481 0]

Whining about it isn't gonna change anything. If you don't like it, don't bother posting. I don't care if you don't like it, I also don't care if a few people don't like it.

A little advise, if I may.............First off, KDawg, congrats on becoming a moderator. You don't have to apologize for wanting to be one. Many posters here tossed their hat in the ring and you were chosen. Don't be embarrassed about campaigning for it.8000 posts in 10 months proves your loyalty to Daniel's forum, if nothing else.As a moderator though, it is critical that you remain above the chaos. Making comments, as the ones above, just belittles what a moderator is here to do. I understand that it is on the job training, so to speak.But, telling people if they don't like it, leave or correcting yourself and saying you meant to say its a persons perogative if they wish to stay and post, is not what Daniel intended a moderator to be, in my humble opinion.Your passion for making the forum better is great, but as a moderator, you must be careful on how you deliver your message. Getting into arguements or telling people not to post if they don't like it would never be something Daniel intended his moderators would do if they wished to keep their positionJust try to stay above the criticism without it being a personal attack on yourself. Look at it as a work in progress.

I wanted to post something just like this but couldn't get it out right......well said!

[Ottawa_Biatch 288]

Go Leafs Go!

[bdc30 0]

Go Leafs Go!

What are you, trying to get your post count to 1000 so you can be part of whatever vet's forumthat might come up?Really, what was the point of posting that?It's garbage like that which is most frustratingto me about this forum.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Wow... apparently it's been a really busy weekend.I like the split... because whenever I make an idiot of myself, it's when I'm feeling emboldened by my results at micro-limits that I can post my own expertise at games I've never attempted, much less beaten.I think these are growing pains, and I think the best way to deal with them is to just post more for other people and try to establish new routines.

[speedz99 145]

Hmm...interesting thread on a Monday morning.I'm just worried that with the split we don't have enough really good posters to fill everything up. Seriously...we have maybe 10 real limit hold-em specialists, and they can't be expected to be running to fifteen different forums to answer all questions. Maybe we should wait until we get bigger as DN envisions.

[RayPowers 0]

Hmm...interesting thread on a Monday morning.I'm just worried that with the split we don't have enough really good posters to fill everything up. Seriously...we have maybe 10 real limit hold-em specialists, and they can't be expected to be running to fifteen different forums to answer all questions. Maybe we should wait until we get bigger as DN envisions.

Its obvious with the massive influx of people because of the Charter member thing, he wants to have space allocated for them to start posting. The main problem we as oldbies are going to have is figuring out who is full of crap, and who is actually clueful. I'm at the point now where, when I post a hand in strat, I can safely ignore some responses because I don't agree with them at all in their strategy, and others I will take as gospel when they tell me I'm an idiot because I highly reccommend their opinions. With 2000 new people in the forums, that's gonna be a lot of sifting to figure that out again, and the forum split is an obvious way to try to minimize the sifting. I admit I don't have a lot of faith in it working, but I'm willing to watch it for a while to see.Ray

[pokerplayer24 0]

I like that we split the holdem forum into nl and limit but like some of the other strat posters I find splitting it into micro and normal limit was unneccesary. One of the nice things about FCP is that when you post hands in the strat sections you'll get to see people perspectives from those who play .50/1 to those who play 10/20 and up.

[Actuary 3]

splitting forums doesn't mean our best limit players and ones who can still really help us micro guys will just ignore the threads.why would Aseem or Kdawg, Iceman, Custom..Screech etc... not critique our hands any less because they are in a different forum ?Some of them already ignore them.My point is...Splitting the forum does not cause these to be ignored.I sincerely hope we have good discussion in Micro among the players who play as well as strong input from those that have moved on.Kdawg et al, just don't ignore us.

[iveyfan30 0]

i hope varkoyni is one of them

[PrtyPSux 0]

Hmm...interesting thread on a Monday morning.I'm just worried that with the split we don't have enough really good posters to fill everything up.

They will....eventually.at first, like I said it will be empty and it'll be kinda like the tourney forum is right now. but eventually. They will all fill up with good posters.

[custom36 4]

splitting forums doesn't mean our best limit players and ones who can still really help us micro guys will just ignore the threads.why would Aseem or Kdawg, Iceman, Custom..Screech etc... not critique our hands any less because they are in a different forum ?Some of them already ignore them.My point is...Splitting the forum does not cause these to be ignored.I sincerely hope we have good discussion in Micro among the players who play as well as strong input from those that have moved on.Kdawg et al, just don't ignore us.

I just wanted to comment on this. You won't see any less contribution from KDawg and myself because, as moderators, we have to look them over anyway to make sure things are going alright.As for me, my apologies for not being around in the last month. I really need to get around to playing more and, the more I play, the more I will post in strat. I've had other things that have required my attention. I'm not ignoring posts at all. When I get back to playing full time (fairly soon) I will be in limit hold'em and micro-limits helping with problems I feel I can help with.

[Pokerghost2 0]

i hope edog is one of them

im with it, i think erick would be an excellent choice.

[krup24 0]

Seriously this forum is starting to suck a littleY is it that some of the most respected posters are bickering with other respected posters.I value all of ur opinions in strategy, actually wait for some of u to respond to hands.Ron and Royal being singled out by DNToo much structure can be a bad thing and I feel that it is in this case.

[Bluffs2005 0]

The reason that these changes are necessary (yes, necessary) is because strategy is different from game to game and different skills are needed at different levels. People that specialize at one can stay in that forum and help those people without having to sift through all of the posts that they can't help with. We saw this when Daniel started doing one-a-day's. He would give advice and many would disagree because play is drastically different at his levels than at micro limits and small stakes.I explained this to Daniel the same way when he asked about the HUSH forums. There are members that are excellent full-table players but absolutely awful shorthanded players. Two different sets of skills. It's like having the hold'em forum seperate from the omaha forum. It's the same reasons.This isn't a "wannabe 2+2" change, 2+2 just beat us to it. It would've happened eventually. Personally, I'd rather be closer to 2+2 than RGP.

Still easy switch as someone indicated already is to have a one or two strat forums but have something also where you indicate what game/limit the strat is on. That way, you don't miss some good advice on a firum you never check.

[finztotheleft 0]

Go Leafs Go!

What are you, trying to get your post count to 1000 so you can be part of whatever vet's forumthat might come up?Really, what was the point of posting that?It's garbage like that which is most frustratingto me about this forum.

Geez....looks like he was just trying to lighten the mood