sit n gos

[Larson 0]

I have made an observation and would like to see if anyone agrees or feels the same way i do. Until last week i never played sit n go's over 10 dollars, i usually play 5 or 10 dollar sit n go's depending on how focused i am playing that day. (im playing on Pstars btw). Well i ended up winning a 10 dollar sit n go and getting 2nd on the very next one i registered. I felt like i was playing my A poker and decided to play a 20 dollar sit n go. I have to admit i was a little nervous and it through off my game a bit. But i finally relaxed and played my B game. But what shocked me the most is that i completely dominated the tourney. Not that i was playing excellent, its that the plays that other people were making was just shocking. Calling off their whole stack with draws. Calling preflop raises with rags. Just really dumping their chips off. I mean the level of play was just aweful. I wasn't sure if i had just caught a break and joined a bunch of donkeys, so i joined another 20 sit n go. And again the level of play was horrible. I ended up playing 6 20 sit no go this week. Winning 4, and cashing in the other two. I have to say, players playing on the 5 and 10 sit n gos play better than people playing for 20 bucks. Im completely shocked and dont know why this is. You would expect the level of play to go up as the stakes do. Anyone feel the same way i do? Or is it just me and im really getting lucky playing with a bunch of donkeys?

[HoosierAlum 0]

TP/MM

[loogie 115]

I'm sitting in the lobby of a $50 sng on UB. Grab a seat.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

Money doesn't determine the quality of player primarily.You have positive variance right now. Enjoy it. You can play your A game next weekend and get killed.I'm sure you already know this. At least I hope so. If not, play a $500 sng immediately.

[Royal27 0]

I'm sitting in the lobby of a $50 sng on UB. Grab a seat.

Loogie, you finally shaved!

[typesick 0]

SNG players are terrible... I rape them ALL DAY...

[GrinderMJ 0]

I think the answer you are looking for is, when you play 5 and 10 dollars sit n go's you think the 20 dollar and 50 dolalr and 200 dollar sit n go player sare all gonna be relaly good and way out of your league. Trust me, they are not, you will find fish at every level of poker you ever play at. Get used to it.

[Orbit 0]

I think the answer you are looking for is, when you play 5 and 10 dollars sit n go's you think the 20 dollar and 50 dolalr and 200 dollar sit n go player sare all gonna be relaly good and way out of your league. Trust me, they are not, you will find fish at every level of poker you ever play at. Get used to it.

And start the fea$t!!

[AUBrandon 0]

You are having a mini-rush, congrats. Variance hasn't kicked your ass yet, but don't be shocked when it does. And just to let you know, the players at the $20 sngs are not "worse" on an average than the $5 or $10 players, you will find bad players at all levels. You have only played 6 sngs, I've cashed in 6 in a row many times, but there will be times you will go 10 or 15 without cashing if you play enough. Good luck on the continuation of your "rush", but don't keep thinking that you can crush sngs on a daily basis, it won't happen.

[tucsonclay 0]

I have made an observation and would like to see if anyone agrees or feels the same way i do. Until last week i never played sit n go's over 10 dollars, i usually play 5 or 10 dollar sit n go's depending on how focused i am playing that day. (im playing on Pstars btw). Well i ended up winning a 10 dollar sit n go and getting 2nd on the very next one i registered. I felt like i was playing my A poker and decided to play a 20 dollar sit n go. I have to admit i was a little nervous and it through off my game a bit. But i finally relaxed and played my B game. But what shocked me the most is that i completely dominated the tourney. Not that i was playing excellent, its that the plays that other people were making was just shocking. Calling off their whole stack with draws. Calling preflop raises with rags. Just really dumping their chips off. I mean the level of play was just aweful. I wasn't sure if i had just caught a break and joined a bunch of donkeys, so i joined another 20 sit n go. And again the level of play was horrible. I ended up playing 6 20 sit no go this week. Winning 4, and cashing in the other two. I have to say, players playing on the 5 and 10 sit n gos play better than people playing for 20 bucks. Im completely shocked and dont know why this is. You would expect the level of play to go up as the stakes do. Anyone feel the same way i do? Or is it just me and im really getting lucky playing with a bunch of donkeys?

SPELLCHECK

[BigDawgBuuck 0]

There are times when I'll play for almost no money and will go up against some high quality players. However, there are times I'll play for some good money and they'll call everything because they like to gamble. You never know what you will get online.

[armen13 0]

You are having a mini-rush, congrats. Variance hasn't kicked your ass yet, but don't be shocked when it does. And just to let you know, the players at the $20 sngs are not "worse" on an average than the $5 or $10 players, you will find bad players at all levels. You have only played 6 sngs, I've cashed in 6 in a row many times, but there will be times you will go 10 or 15 without cashing if you play enough. Good luck on the continuation of your "rush", but don't keep thinking that you can crush sngs on a daily basis, it won't happen.

Absolutely. I do not know what your bankroll is, just make sure the level you are playing is within it, allowing for lots of variance.

[Kangaroo 0]

you are where i was about a weeka nd a half ago. I turned about $3 into 90 at absolute and am now at a bit over 30. a week and a half ago i felt i could beat any game now i feel like im the unluckiest person alive and has seen every outdraw and bea tbeat in the book. it comes and goes, thats poker.

[TobyOrNotToBe 0]

There are times when I'll play for almost no money and will go up against some high quality players. However, there are times I'll play for some good money and they'll call everything because they like to gamble. You never know what you will get online.

Pretty much what I was thinking

[Drwnded 0]

As you move up eventually, you'll find there are lots of bad players at the 50 and 100 dollar sngs also, though generally not as ridiculously bad as at the very small buyin tables. There are a few pretty decent players at the higher levels as well obviously - from what i've read, a lot of pros donk around online on the 50 and 100 dollar sngs. However, there are lots of folks out there who watch the WSOP on TV, make 200K+/yr at their day job, and want to come online and play poker for fun, but 5 and 10 dollar buyins just aren't going to hold their attention. I know, I used to be one of them. Now I crush them for fun and profit.

[loogie 115]

Loogie, you finally shaved!

I change my look a lot. It goes hand in hand with being in the Witness Protection Program.

[Royal27 0]

Loogie, you finally shaved!

I change my look a lot. It goes hand in hand with being in the Witness Protection Program.

So true...That's why I keep on busting out just short of WPT final tables.

[loogie 115]

So true...That's why I keep on busting out just short of WPT final tables.

That's smart. Definitely +EV.

[No_Neck 0]

I have made an observation and would like to see if anyone agrees or feels the same way i do. Until last week i never played sit n go's over 10 dollars, i usually play 5 or 10 dollar sit n go's depending on how focused i am playing that day. (im playing on Pstars btw). Well i ended up winning a 10 dollar sit n go and getting 2nd on the very next one i registered. I felt like i was playing my A poker and decided to play a 20 dollar sit n go. I have to admit i was a little nervous and it through off my game a bit. But i finally relaxed and played my B game. But what shocked me the most is that i completely dominated the tourney. Not that i was playing excellent, its that the plays that other people were making was just shocking. Calling off their whole stack with draws. Calling preflop raises with rags. Just really dumping their chips off. I mean the level of play was just aweful. I wasn't sure if i had just caught a break and joined a bunch of donkeys, so i joined another 20 sit n go. And again the level of play was horrible. I ended up playing 6 20 sit no go this week. Winning 4, and cashing in the other two. I have to say, players playing on the 5 and 10 sit n gos play better than people playing for 20 bucks. Im completely shocked and dont know why this is. You would expect the level of play to go up as the stakes do. Anyone feel the same way i do? Or is it just me and im really getting lucky playing with a bunch of donkeys?

wait till they hit.....that is when a real poker players shows up

[Wingmaster05 0]

If you know your playing correctly, stay with them...but it's still easier to make money the good old fashioned way; limit. I had a big week in 20 dollar sng's as well and now i cant make anything. It's great when your continuation bets are respected early...sometimes it just doesn't work out. Oh, and those guys pushing in with draws will hit a few times, and it's no fun when they do.

[gmanshade 0]

For the OP, I play SNGs on Pstars, and I analyzed my stats for 2005 yesterday. I was very surprised at my numbers (I'm curious what everyone here thinks) and they actually correspond somewhat with what you are saying. Over the course of the year (about 550 nine-person SNGs) my ITM rate was 47% and my ROI was 25%. For anyone interested, in an earlier post I guessed that I cashed 50-55% of the time--turns out I was wrong. Over the last year I have played 5, 10, 20, and 30 $ SNGs, and it turns out that my best result are for the $20 games. I was ITM 53% with an ROI of 45% over 125 (give or take a couple--don't have the stats right in front of me) games. I think that this is just variance--getting a little luckier at these games--but it was surprising. btw, my results for the $30 tourneys are very similar with my overall numbers for SNGs.

[finztotheleft 0]

Loogie, you finally shaved!

I change my look a lot. It goes hand in hand with being in the Witness Protection Program.

LOL.......great idea to post the pic on an internet forum ! :wink:

[finztotheleft 0]

I'd listen to the above advice. Although I have not been brave enough to try $20 sng's, I've frequently heard that the play can be as bad as lower $ games, I'd have a hard time believing it was worse. Enjoy the run while it lasts.....and if you're bankroll can handle the $20 games, you have now learned the competition is no tougher. Good Luck !

[nell789 0]

For the OP, I play SNGs on Pstars, and I analyzed my stats for 2005 yesterday. I was very surprised at my numbers (I'm curious what everyone here thinks) and they actually correspond somewhat with what you are saying. Over the course of the year (about 550 nine-person SNGs) my ITM rate was 47% and my ROI was 25%. For anyone interested, in an earlier post I guessed that I cashed 50-55% of the time--turns out I was wrong. Over the last year I have played 5, 10, 20, and 30 $ SNGs, and it turns out that my best result are for the $20 games. I was ITM 53% with an ROI of 45% over 125 (give or take a couple--don't have the stats right in front of me) games. I think that this is just variance--getting a little luckier at these games--but it was surprising. btw, my results for the $30 tourneys are very similar with my overall numbers for SNGs.

125 sng's is not a big enough sample space to compare against other buy-ins, you are probably correct in contributing the success to variance. With sng's the bigger the sample space the better for determining whether you're beating the games. Your overall stats are probably pretty reliable though. Check out www.zeejustin.com and read any of his poker journal entry's that have to do with his "quest".

[Potomophobia 17]

As others have said, enjoy the ride while you can. I play SNGs and MTTs almost exclusively. (Although I have been working on my ring games lately.)I have played as high as $300 SNGs and all stakes below that. There do seem to be fewer complete donkeys at the higher stakes, but that is about it. I did notice that the aggression factor is higher at the larger stakes as well. (Don't try limping in often.) My stats overall were slightly better at the higher stakes.Lately I have focused on ring games, due to that beast variance rearing its ugly head. The last 10 weeks have been just brutal. I will not bore you with all the details of my bad beats; I'll just say that the variety and creativity of the 1 and 2 outers hit on the river has been impressive. The number of suck outs on the bubble has severely tried my composure. So go ahead and move up. SLOWLY. And never forget those two most important words in poker: BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.Best of Luck