why is hellmuth such a fish?

[Mr. Blonde 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

[NortonFan 0]

I think because he does not have complete control over his emotions.

[ICEMAN_RS2 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

Hellmuth is such a profectionist....He cannot admit when he makes a bad read or a player out plays him. Moreover, he plays pretty conservative hands, therefore, he loses lose aggressive players. In tournaments you have to be patient and play premium hands or risk getting ousted from the tourney and out of the cash. Cash games require you to play more aggressively, enter more pots and bluff more. Thats not Hellmuth's style. My opinion.....

[KowboyKoop 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

In Hellmuth's defense, it isn't like DN went over ALL of his hands...so, maybe he actually played well...who knows. Seriously though, see the responses above as to the reasoning why he isn't as good. Also, I don't know if I'd say he is a cash game "fish." Yeah, he isn't as good as pros, but I guarantee he could beat most limits/games, just not the top ones with all the top pros. That is all.

[AlexR 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

Not related at all, but I was just watching Reservoir Dogs a few minutes ago.Also, I'm sure Phil is a fairly decent cash player, but he can go on tilt easy if he takes a few bad beats or constantly gets run over with raises. I thought that's what DN's blog was pointing out. Just remember, if there was no luck involved Phil would win every hand.

[HoosierAlum 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

Hellmuth is such a profectionist....He cannot admit when he makes a bad read or a player out plays him. Moreover, he plays pretty conservative hands, therefore, he loses lose aggressive players. In tournaments you have to be patient and play premium hands or risk getting ousted from the tourney and out of the cash. Cash games require you to play more aggressively, enter more pots and bluff more. Thats not Hellmuth's style. My opinion.....

The bolded statement could not be more incorrect.

[BradSmitty 0]

Hellmuth tilts easily, and when he does, he plays very weakly, making him easy to bully around, from what I can see. Loses a ton playing on UB 50/100 NL as well.

[KowboyKoop 0]

Hellmuth tilts easily, and when he does, he plays very weakly, making him easy to bully around, from what I can see. Loses a ton playing on UB 50/100 NL as well.

...cause I am sure you watch him play online ALLLLLL the time. All I can say is....he sure must make ALLLOOOOTTTT of money from outside ventures to make up for how horrible of a poker player he is.

[Chiggleslap 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

Hellmuth is such a profectionist....He cannot admit when he makes a bad read or a player out plays him. Moreover, he plays pretty conservative hands, therefore, he loses lose aggressive players. In tournaments you have to be patient and play premium hands or risk getting ousted from the tourney and out of the cash. Cash games require you to play more aggressively, enter more pots and bluff more. Thats not Hellmuth's style. My opinion.....

The bolded statement could not be more incorrect.

ditto.

[ICEMAN_RS2 0]

Whatever....as i said, "my opinion". Make your statement or opinions without criticizing someone elses. Everyones a friggin poker knowitall. :x

[Pupsta 0]

HES A FISH BC HBE HAS GILS AND LIVES IN THE OCEAN!PWNED!

[Loismustdie 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course.  After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

Hellmuth is such a profectionist....He cannot admit when he makes a bad read or a player out plays him. Moreover, he plays pretty conservative hands, therefore, he loses lose aggressive players. In tournaments you have to be patient and play premium hands or risk getting ousted from the tourney and out of the cash. Cash games require you to play more aggressively, enter more pots and bluff more. Thats not Hellmuth's style. My opinion.....

Wow you are going to take a beating for that little paragraph.

[Petoria 0]

Whatever....as i said, "my opinion".  Make your statement or opinions without criticizing someone elses.  Everyones a friggin poker knowitall.   :x

I'm sorry, but the statement can't be an opinion bc it is incorrect. It's been proven over many years that the more aggressive players generally do better in tournaments. Is it an opinion if you believe Mars doesnt exist? Maybe, but it isnt true at all. If you're ever going to win a tournament, give up the belief that you should play tournaments that way. Read any book on tournament poker. Any article written on poker, EVER. It's not about being a knowitall, it's about giving correct reasoning for the statement you made. I'd like you to post any article, where it says you need to play tighter in tournaments than cash games. If you can come up with articles that describe tournament play like that, I'll retract my statement.

[Neo 0]

Because he actually believes the bull he has been spouting about himself over the years. After reading the Omaha section in his 'play like the pros', I realised that the other pros must lick their lips when they see him at the cash tables. Even one of the average players at my local club would take him apart if he sat down at one of our pl omaha games.Although, he's not the only so called 'pro' who is not as good as their reputation would have you think. There are quite a few of these self publicists and 'big names' who are not as good as they think. A good run in some big tournaments and some TV coverage can give a reputation to some players who are not really that good. The scene is full of these chancers. Unless they use their reputation to get sponsership or other lucrative deals, they will not last too long.

[PimpRock 0]

Im not saying it is the correct advice per se, but I am pretty sure I heard Helmuth alluding to this in his interviews at last years WSOP (i.e. 2004). He said something like weaktight was the way forward in order to outlast the huge fields that now enter poker tournaments. Remember the majority of decent books were written pre poker boom and, I am not saying I agree with it, but I have heard Helmuth say that he was reformulating the way he approches these tournaments.

[mr_english 0]

Maybe it's because the other players in the game dont care that he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER :wink:

[dead money 1]

Maybe it's because the other players in the game dont care that he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER Wink

They might not care if he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER, but Im sure they care that he is a 9X WSOP BRACLET WINNER :wink: But I get your point.

[theresa113 0]

Granted, I have never played with Hellmuth nor could I ever give an accurate assessment to his play. However, from what I have seen on very limited TV coverage, one of his biggest issues is that he does not adjust his playing style (well, for the most part. He did he add that silly check in the dark thing.)He is very confident when he states what the other player has and makes a great lay down. But, he does not seem to adjust well to when new people come to the table and play differently than he expects them to. Or, he takes the information and he seems to implode because they are not making the "right" play. His second issue is that he emotionally reacts to someone not making the "right" play. He starts to doubt everything instead of attacking from a different angle. I really like watching Phil and I am sure he is a much better card player than I am. Yet, it amazes me how predictable he is. Again, it could just be what we see on TV with lots of editing. But if he is always like what I see, I am floored that he has done as well as he has. I would think he would be easy pickings for not only pros but moderate level players as well.

[mr_english 0]

Maybe it's because the other players in the game dont care that he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER Wink

They might not care if he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER, but Im sure they care that he is a 9X WSOP BRACLET WINNER :wink: But I get your point.

OOPS, phil might get mad at me if he reads this :oops: But then the fields were so small for his early wins anyone could win them :doh: As is aften quoted "FLAME ON"

[iveyfan30 0]

Maybe it's because the other players in the game dont care that he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER Wink

They might not care if he is a 6X WSOP BRACLET WINNER, but Im sure they care that he is a 9X WSOP BRACLET WINNER :wink: But I get your point.

OOPS, phil might get mad at me if he reads this :oops: But then the fields were so small for his early wins anyone could win them :doh: As is aften quoted "FLAME ON"

sw?

[kennyg1966 0]

I'm referring to cash games, of course. After reading Daniel's latest blog, I just gotta wonder how someone can be so good at poker tournaments (okay, not lately, but in the past) but so bad at cash games.

go and play him yourself and see

[badasmybreath 0]

Whatever....as i said, "my opinion". Make your statement or opinions without criticizing someone elses. Everyones a friggin poker knowitall. :x

except that in this case everyone is totally justified in shooting down your "opinion". While it is true that everyone is entitled to their opinion, they arent entitled to a corect opinion, nor are they entitled to have their opinon respected by others.If you knew anything about basic solid tournament poker startegy (such as outlined in sklansky's books etc.) you would relaize your statement about proper tourney play is completely, utterly and retardedly wrong. If you knew anything about a reasonable cash game strategy you would know that your statement on cash games is also retardedly wrong.Sorry to have to point it out to you

[elkang 0]

Whatever....as i said, "my opinion". Make your statement or opinions without criticizing someone elses. Everyones a friggin poker knowitall. :x

I'm going to have to update my signature soon....dude, learn from the better players here or just continue to live in your own ignorant world.... like... well Phil.

[ICrushHomeGames 0]

Hellmuth tilts easily, and when he does, he plays very weakly, making him easy to bully around, from what I can see. Loses a ton playing on UB 50/100 NL as well.

...cause I am sure you watch him play online ALLLLLL the time. All I can say is....he sure must make ALLLOOOOTTTT of money from outside ventures to make up for how horrible of a poker player he is.

Actually, DN is on record as having said this. I'd say he's played with him enough to know.

[GrinderMJ 0]

Whatever....as i said, "my opinion". Make your statement or opinions without criticizing someone elses. Everyones a friggin poker knowitall. :x

Dude, if you're gonna post here you're gonna need to thicken up your skin a bit. Nobody really attacked you, they just disagreed with an assertion you made. Nobody acted like a know it all, they just posted that you're beliefs about tourney strategy weren't correct. Relax a bit