bad run in tourneys

[bascomeb 0]

I was wondering what is the longest stretch you've guys have gone on w/o cashing in a tourney? And i mean in terms of tourneys entered, not days. And yes right now I am having a rough stretch in tourneys altough I'm having good variance in limit

[sirch1 0]

i have never been to good at online tournies and dont usually cash that often i admit. I usually take my winning from cash games to play in big tournies only to lose out a cundred people away from the money. The longest stretch i have gone online has probably been about 12 tournies in a row with out cashing. Live is way different because the place i play has 30 person tournaments the longest i have gone without cashing at my local B&M is three or four tournaments

[justblaze 0]

I was wondering what is the longest stretch you've guys have gone on w/o cashing in a tourney? And i mean in terms of tourneys entered, not days. And yes right now I am having a rough stretch in tourneys altough I'm having good variance in limit

20 this week. i havent won a cointoss yet. also, ive had 88 4 times and each time villain has TT. and, its a mortal lock that i have AQ when villain has AK. also, if i have AA or KK, the rest of the table will have 23o. guaranteed. PS: stars is rigged.

[KowboyKoop 0]

All tournaments are rigged....

[justblaze 0]

All tournaments are rigged....

this is true.

[bascomeb 0]

I was wondering what is the longest stretch you've guys have gone on w/o cashing in a tourney? And i mean in terms of tourneys entered, not days. And yes right now I am having a rough stretch in tourneys altough I'm having good variance in limit

20 this week. i havent won a cointoss yet. also, ive had 88 4 times and each time villain has TT. and, its a mortal lock that i have AQ when villain has AK. also, if i have AA or KK, the rest of the table will have 23o. guaranteed. PS: stars is rigged.

oh my god i've been able to win on every other site but this one. I don't know what it is seriously, can't win a coinflip lose overpair all in, i know its not rigged but damn i hate RiverSTars

[Greg Kelley 0]

I love them so much I once ordered 12! I only ate two. I don't know what I was thinking!

[bascomeb 0]

bump

[HarryDemetriou 0]

I was wondering what is the longest stretch you've guys have gone on w/o cashing in a tourney? And i mean in terms of tourneys entered, not days. And yes right now I am having a rough stretch in tourneys altough I'm having good variance in limit

Just as an example.Let us assume that you play in 1000 tournaments over a ten year period (thats approximately 2 tourneys per week).Let us also assume that there are 100 players in each tournament and that the top ten places are paid (ie 10% of the field are paid).As an average player you can expect to finish 1st ten times 2nd ten times..etc etc..and 100th ten times.Hence you expect to be a 9/1 shot to get in the money.Now let us assume that you are an above average player and have a true chance of finishing in the money 20% of the time (twice that of the random average player and so you are 4/1 to get in the money).How many times do you reckon in that ten year period each will have a losing run of 20 consecutive tournaments (10 weeks) without getting any prize money back?Well the approximate answer is that the average player in that ten year period is going to have roughly 10 periods of 10 weeks (twenty consecutive tournaments) where he doesnt cash at all whilst the Better Than Average player can expect one period of 10 weeks without cashing in that same ten year period.In this day and age the fields are MUCH bigger and it is doubtful that there can be many (IF ANY) players who are twice as good as the average player so I leave it to your imagination as to how long you can go without a cash never mind how long it takes to win a tournament in todays larger than 100 size field events.Hope this helps.NB This can be done fairly accurately using maths but preferrred to present this in an approximate tangible/practical/real terms way as imo it is easier to understand.

[PrtyPSux 0]

You're awesome Harry, thanks for your contributions.This is an interesting topic because I recently started taking tournaments very seriously. I would like to know what % of tourneys a good player cashes. Also how many tourneys they play on average. I dont know what a "bad tourney run" looks like because I cant compare my results with many people, since I have a relatively small sample size under my belt I say I easily go 12-15 tourneys usually without cashing sometimes a lot more though (I play between 300-1000 in entries). I do find it wierd however, that I hardly ever cash, but I final table a lot of the times when I do pass the bubble. Maybe its the fact that I play a "go big or go home" style on the bubble, which causes me to either bust or build a stack that will help me get to the final table. So I guess how long of a bad run you have depends on your style of play, if you have a volatile "do or die" style, you might go longer with out cashing, but when you do cash you will likely get a big payday. A tighter conservative style might get you to cash more but you might be busting with 2 or 3 tables left a lot more.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Style of play/bankroll/Payout structures are other key elements to return of prize money frequency.I have to say that I prefer the shoot for first at all costs type of approach as the money is in the top 3 spots as I play live tournaments and no internet ones.Personally I view shooting for first as the only option or best positive equity strategy for me personally and think philosophically about it and am not really interested in getting one of the lower prizes.However tournaments are VERY volatile and you can go a long time and through a lot of money before cashing so I cannot fault someone who may adopt a very conservative approach and go for consistent cashes albeit smaller ones rather than the fewer bigger ones.This kind of player may very well be saying to himself I want to stay in action and the more times I cash the more tournaments I can play and eventually I will make one of the top spot cashes.Basically then I would say it depends on the type of player that you are and the style of play that you have, the size of your bankroll andthe payout structures aminly and that there is more than one kind of approach that can be suitable depending on these and other factors.

[PrtyPSux 0]

Harry, I take it you play smaller (fewer people) live tourneys since they only pay top three places. Do you follow the same strategy when you play bigger tourneys like the wsop? or does the size of the field compared to the payout structure/prizepool cause you to take a different approach to the tournament? again, thanks for your help

[insano 0]

Style of play/bankroll/Payout structures are other key elements to return of prize money frequency.I have to say that I prefer the shoot for first at all costs type of approach as the money is in the top 3 spots as I play live tournaments and no internet ones.Personally I view shooting for first as the only option or best positive equity strategy for me personally and think philosophically about it and am not really interested in getting one of the lower prizes.However tournaments are VERY volatile and you can go a long time and through a lot of money before cashing so I cannot fault someone who may adopt a very conservative approach and go for consistent cashes albeit smaller ones rather than the fewer bigger ones.This kind of player may very well be saying to himself I want to stay in action and the more times I cash the more tournaments I can play and eventually I will make one of the top spot cashes.Basically then I would say it depends on the type of player that you are and the style of play that you have, the size of your bankroll andthe payout structures aminly and that there is more than one kind of approach that can be suitable depending on these and other factors.

You have to be the most intelligent sounding professional on the circuit right now. And I mean that. As always, great post.

[Suited_Up 2]

Style of play/bankroll/Payout structures are other key elements to return of prize money frequency.I have to say that I prefer the shoot for first at all costs type of approach as the money is in the top 3 spots as I play live tournaments and no internet ones.Personally I view shooting for first as the only option or best positive equity strategy for me personally and think philosophically about it and am not really interested in getting one of the lower prizes.However tournaments are VERY volatile and you can go a long time and through a lot of money before cashing so I cannot fault someone who may adopt a very conservative approach and go for consistent cashes albeit smaller ones rather than the fewer bigger ones.This kind of player may very well be saying to himself I want to stay in action and the more times I cash the more tournaments I can play and eventually I will make one of the top spot cashes.Basically then I would say it depends on the type of player that you are and the style of play that you have, the size of your bankroll andthe payout structures aminly and that there is more than one kind of approach that can be suitable depending on these and other factors.

Any thoughts on what exactly a shoot for first style would be like, in online tournaments especially?

[KappaKid83 0]

I just saw Suited was the last poster and I dont care what he wrote, I am gonna follow him and rip on him all day. SUITED, YOU SUCK!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!JEFF

[justblaze 0]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

[Suited_Up 2]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Try putting on a sweater.

[KappaKid83 0]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Try putting on a sweater.

LAMEJEFF

[Suited_Up 2]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Try putting on a sweater.

LAMEJEFF

You're not a very nice person.How ya like that??

[KappaKid83 0]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Try putting on a sweater.

LAMEJEFF

You're not a very nice person.How ya like that??

Better comebacks please, or I will slap 7 2 in your face, BIOTCH!!!JEFF

[PrtyPSux 0]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Ive had the best hand on the turn close to %80 of the time.. Ive drawn to a flush twice, once I missed once I hit and I ran into a bigger flush.. my QQ ran into QQ and my AA fell to 76 offsuit. Im down to 3200 in that tourney.

[Suited_Up 2]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Try putting on a sweater.

LAMEJEFF

You're not a very nice person.How ya like that??

Better comebacks please, or I will slap 7 2 in your face, BIOTCH!!!JEFF

Come back when you're sober!

[KappaKid83 0]

LOL I am at class and quite bored, figured Id make myself occupied. I am done though. And Kurt you better be there on the 19th, I have been craving a Mikes Hard Lemonade for Week now!!!JEFF

[Suited_Up 2]

LOL I am at class and quite bored, figured Id make myself occupied. I am done though. And Kurt you better be there on the 19th, I have been craving a Mikes Hard Lemonade for Week now!!!JEFF

Maybe I'll just bring vodka instead... can't make fun of vodka, lol.

[justblaze 0]

i have been in a deepstack LHE for well over an hour now and have not played 1 hand. im so cold.

Ive had the best hand on the turn close to %80 of the time.. Ive drawn to a flush twice, once I missed once I hit and I ran into a bigger flush.. my QQ ran into QQ and my AA fell to 76 offsuit. Im down to 3200 in that tourney.

i played 2 hands now. im still at exactly 5k.