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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
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Not a flame, just ironic that you posted something telling someone that they are at fault for questioning another posters intelligence because of their lack of intelligence, yet clearly you mispelled "your" when in that context its "you're" which is you are, and not your
Err... not sure if you're serious.See how the word "your" was in quotes? That's basically the same as writing [sIC] after the usage. Now read the post of his that i quoted IMMEDIATELY before writing that statement.
before i just say something like your an idiot or something like that i would like for you to explain how it is different between robbing an old lady and robbing many people that could be of any race, gender or age.
You're (!!!!) sense of irony missed its mark.
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To the people who think that this program wouldn't be stealing: 1. A simple ethical principle known as universilizability. What would happen if everyone did what I am doing right now? Using a simple concept like this one, it is plain to see the disaster that would happen if many people used this program. Poker would no longer be a fair game, only the ones using this obvious and unfair edge would come out as winners..
Not that im suggesting that it's ethically sound to use such a program, but by that criteria, the argument isn't too compelling.If _everyone_ used the program or had access to it, everyone would have the same 'edge' which implies that no one has an edge and it becomes essentially a game of math. No net loss really. It's just a different distribution.
The actions you discuss involve theft within the game itself. In this regard, poker would in fact die. When the game itself becomes unfair people will not want to play, regardless of the outside situations around the game.
Well, online poker might decline. I doubt it would die. If everyone owned it, the sites would find a way to block the application.But even supposing it did die, as much as i love poker, that's probably a _good_ thing for society.
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i absolutely would, and most of the people that say they wouldn't are lying.would you play the lottery if you knew the numbers before the drawing? i sure as hell would, and it's the same thing, since the lottery pool is made up entirely of the people's $.
i can honestly say i would not!!!
i can honestly say that you despise money.
So do you sell crack? Rob banks? Trade in child pornography? Would you if you could be CERTAIN you would get away with it?
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For those who are saying that no one will know you are seeing their holecards - you are wrong. If I sat at a table with this player using this program for an hour, I'd strongly suspect that he was cheating. Why?A) He would be unbluffableandB) He would never call a bet on the river and lose.A bad player may be unbluffable, but they constantly call on the river and lose. A good player is bluffable and will call on the river with the worse hand plenty of times because they are getting great odds.Of course you could mix up your play occasionally by making a deliberate mistake, but the better players would catch on that in the "important" pots, you were playing beyond world-class poker. And if you mix it up to the extent that you are making many mistakes, then you are defeating the purpose of the using the program.Over a short period of time, your chances of getting caught are small. But over the long term the more perceptive players would become suspicious - and eventually convinced.That doesn't even address the possibility of the poker room itself detecting the presence of this program and confiscating your funds.There is no type of stealing where you can be 100% sure that the person(s) you are stealing from will never become aware of it.
If I were to use this program, I would sure as heck be extremely careful about not getting caught. I'd play against different players, at different limits, at different games and at different sites.In the extremely long run, yes, people would get suspicious. Still, you would probably not get caught. Also, in the very long run, I would've gotten rich and stopped.As for your earlier post about how it reflects our poor poker ability. That is partially true, in that someone who is already rich off poker can play for the competitiveness and not for the money. But for most of us, this program would mean never working again. A few months with this program and I could bank enough money to live my life as I pleased, with no work. Now maybe I'm just an idealistic youth, but that sounds like something to strive for.I'm pretty sure most people would agree someone could use this program and get rich without getting caught.As for the earlier post about how this is a stupid pointless argument because I'm (admittedly) using unrealistic assumptions. Well, that's probably true, but I find philosophical arguments interesting even if they're pointless. If you don't, feel free not to take part.And for the record, you could ignore the assumptions I made, that no one would be at a significant loss, etc, and I'd still do it. I just wouldn't be able to defend it ethically :wink: Because of selfishness I would do it to get rich, even knowing it was morally wrong. And it's academic of course, but I'd guess about half of people who said they wouldn't actually would, and even half of those remaining would if they could somehow be assured they would not get caught.Cheers,Daniel
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
LOUD NOISES!@@!!
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
LOUD NOISES!@@!!
Is there a difference between someone making a mistake and you stealing someone's money?YES!$!$!@##!!!!!
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
LOUD NOISES!@@!!
Is there a difference between someone making a mistake and you stealing someone's money?YES!$!$!@##!!!!!
Do you have no obligation to let the person know that they have made a mistake. Let me put it another way. You took something from someone that gave it to you by mistake. Is it wrong? Maybe. Should you give it back? Maybe. Is it stealing? Could argue for both sides but personally I would consider it stealing. Ask yourself if you would feel better spending that money or the feeling you would get from returning it to it's rightful owner.
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I recently cashed out from a poker site for $150 and two days later I get an e-mail for netter telling that $380 has ben deposited it my account. Is it stealing if i don't tell them about it? Is it my responsability to point out thier mistakes?
YES!!!!!
NO!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
LOUD NOISES!@@!!
Is there a difference between someone making a mistake and you stealing someone's money?YES!$!$!@##!!!!!
Do you have no obligation to let the person know that they have made a mistake. Let me put it another way. You took something from someone that gave it to you by mistake. Is it wrong? Maybe. Should you give it back? Maybe. Is it stealing? Could argue for both sides but personally I would consider it stealing. Ask yourself if you would feel better spending that money or the feeling you would get from returning it to it's rightful owner.
good feelings don't get the bills paid, and if you're the one that fucks up in a financial transaction (say, thought you had 8 cents more than you did) they sure as hell don't hesitate to charge you NSF charges, even though it was an accident.
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours. If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine. I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong. You are not alone unfortunately.

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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
Well not a good analogy because you are well aware that if you write a check you can't cover regardless of the situation the bank is taking a fee. You know this before you sign up for your account so it's your own fault.
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
Well not a good analogy because you are well aware that if you write a check you can't cover regardless of the situation the bank is taking a fee. You know this before you sign up for your account so it's your own fault.
and neteller should also know that if they add an extra 0 to the end of my withdrawal request, they don't have a right to that money back.a mistake is a mistake.
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
Well not a good analogy because you are well aware that if you write a check you can't cover regardless of the situation the bank is taking a fee. You know this before you sign up for your account so it's your own fault.
and neteller should also know that if they add an extra 0 to the end of my withdrawal request, they don't have a right to that money back.a mistake is a mistake.
ok I can't respond anymore to you. Obviously you are young and need to mature.
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
Well not a good analogy because you are well aware that if you write a check you can't cover regardless of the situation the bank is taking a fee. You know this before you sign up for your account so it's your own fault.
and neteller should also know that if they add an extra 0 to the end of my withdrawal request, they don't have a right to that money back.a mistake is a mistake.
ok I can't respond anymore to you. Obviously you are young and need to mature.
why, because i'm not a do-gooder bible-thumper that is perfectly fine with big corporations screwing you over for your errors, but if they make an error, you should make sure to point it out to them for self-satisfaction?
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good feelings don't get the bills paid but neither should taking money that isn't yours.  If you feel no remorse for taking money then fine.  I am not bashing you I just think it is wrong.  You are not alone unfortunately.
compare it to overdrawing your account on mistake...you accidentally charge too much because something or another...the bank takes money that's not theirs, over a "mistake"...they're not giving it back to you.
Well not a good analogy because you are well aware that if you write a check you can't cover regardless of the situation the bank is taking a fee. You know this before you sign up for your account so it's your own fault.
and neteller should also know that if they add an extra 0 to the end of my withdrawal request, they don't have a right to that money back.a mistake is a mistake.
ok I can't respond anymore to you. Obviously you are young and need to mature.
no obviously tabletop you are a weenie.if they screw up thats their fault. If you dont keep the money they wont learn their lesson.
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