is it ever right to not raise with aa in lhe?

[jeff_536 3]

Here's the situation I'm thinking...You're on the button and it folds around to you. In that rare situation, i'm always afraid a raise will push out both blinds and then all i'm collecting with my 1 in 221 hand is the blinds.I know I'd rather play AA against a smaller field rather than a large one, but I'd also like to see a flop and try to garner a few bets.remember, this is LIMIT HE.Thoughts?

[Nugzy 0]

Not a LHE player so dont listen to me, but I think a raise from the button will at least get a call from the large blind. As far as hes concerned, its been folded to you and you could raise with alot of different hands.

[CJHunt 0]

I think this would be better suited in Strategy? Anyway, I would always raise. Better to win a small pot then lose a big one. Why risk a SB with 65o hitting trips or a straight? Or even worse a hidden hand. Say a double belly buster flopped filling up on the turn? Not worth the risk. IMO.

[jeff_536 3]

yeah...that's the other side of it.Can't disagree, and raising is probably +EV.just wondering if there was an arguement for the other side.

[Loismustdie 0]

Why would you not raise?

[cgrohman 0]

I would always raise on the button if folded around- it looks like a steal and will ge tplayed with with a wide variety fo hands. One situation I would call would be if I was in the BB in a tournament and it was folded around to the button who raised. I woudl likely wait until the turn to show any strenght unless the flop is very coordinated.

[PotDragon 0]

just wondering if there was an arguement for the other side.

Nope.

[Loismustdie 0]

I would always raise on the button if folded around- it looks like a steal and will ge tplayed with with a wide variety fo hands.  One situation I would call would be if I was in the BB in a tournament and it was folded around to the button who raised.  I woudl likely wait until the turn to show any strenght unless the flop is very coordinated.

Yeah, no, you ram and jam preflop with the best of it.

[Mack Show 0]

You said you were playing limit right?Raise it up. You might loose the SB. He might stay in if he has a hand. The BB will stay in with only one raise and one player no matter what. Your best case scenario is the BB thinks your buyin the pot and makes it two raises to go. Then your set to triple raise. Again in most cases he will call to see the flop.

[CJHunt 0]

You said you were playing limit right?Raise it up. You might loose the SB. He might stay in if he has a hand.  The BB will stay in with only one raise and one player no matter what.  Your best case scenario is the BB thinks your buyin the pot and makes it two raises to go. Then your set to triple raise. Again in most cases he will call to see the flop.

Did you just say triple raise? :shock: WTF

[Abbaddabba 0]

Yes, there is an argument for limping in certain situations.If you're so much of a rock that you _only_ raise high pairs and your opponents are observant enough to recognize this (and consequently your early position raises have it folded to the blinds consistantly), then you want to limp/raise from UTG or earlier if no one else has yet entered.The long term solution isnt to limp with aces though.The long term solution can be one of two things. Either raise a lot more hands than just aces and, more importantly, pick softer tables. It should also be noted that, unlike something like pocket jacks, pocket aces DO perform well in multi way pots.

[TruePoker 1]

It should also be noted that, unlike something like pocket jacks, pocket aces DO perform well in multi way pots.

:roll:

[MaconMarc 0]

You said you were playing limit right?Raise it up. You might loose the SB. He might stay in if he has a hand.  The BB will stay in with only one raise and one player no matter what.  Your best case scenario is the BB thinks your buyin the pot and makes it two raises to go. Then your set to triple raise. Again in most cases he will call to see the flop.

Did you just say triple raise? :shock: WTF

LOLNot the TRIPLE RAISE!!!!

[blueodum 0]

Yes.If I get aces in early position, I will limp-reraise about 20% of the time if I'm confident someone will raise my limp.If everyone folds to me on the button or sb, I will limp about 10% of the time. If your opponent catches something on the flop, he's liable to call you all the way to the river.I wouldn't do this with KK or QQ, however.

[Loismustdie 0]

Yes.If I get aces in early position, I will limp-reraise about 20% of the time if I'm confident someone will raise my limp.If everyone folds to me on the button or sb, I will limp about 10% of the time. If your opponent catches something on the flop, he's liable to call you all the way to the river.I wouldn't do this with KK or QQ, however.

And if he wants to play that bad he will call you anyway preflop and you will make more money- no reason to limp aces in limit, ever.

[Teph 0]

You said you were playing limit right?Raise it up. You might loose the SB. He might stay in if he has a hand.  The BB will stay in with only one raise and one player no matter what.  Your best case scenario is the BB thinks your buyin the pot and makes it two raises to go. Then your set to triple raise. Again in most cases he will call to see the flop.

Did you just say triple raise? :shock: WTF

lol. What a way to break into the forum. Creating the TRIPLE RAISE

[Abbaddabba 0]

It should also be noted that, unlike something like pocket jacks, pocket aces DO perform well in multi way pots.

:roll:

Thanks for your deep insight.

[CJHunt 0]

It should also be noted that, unlike something like pocket jacks, pocket aces DO perform well in multi way pots.

:roll:

Thanks for your deep insight.

He is right though.

[InertGrudge 0]

I'm still stuck on the triple raise. Is that like, betting 3x the normal amount?I want someone to go into a casino, and announce a triple raise when appropriate.

[scottyno 0]

unless the blinds are very tight I would still raise with AA, a raise from the button after everyone folded doesn't usually get very much respect, in fact, this may just be me, but I may fear a coldcallers from the buton after everyone folded more than a limper, though it would depend on what I know about the playeronly times ever to consider limping with aces imo: utg at a loose table where you are 95+% sure that someone will raise it, from the button if the blinds are tight players that won't make loose calls to protect their blinds, if you are the small blind and the pot is heads up

[Garn 0]

ALWAYA RAISE W/ AA

[Teph 0]

I'm still stuck on the triple raise.  Is that like, betting 3x the normal amount?I want someone to go into a casino, and announce a triple raise when appropriate.

Look for the chip at a casino near you. This is only the prototype

[Abbaddabba 0]

He is right though.

He's not right.Aces perform better in multiway pots relative to lower pocket pairs like 9's through j's.It should have been very clear to all but complete moron's that i wasnt suggesting you limp with aces.Im saying that the raise is for value, not to isolate. You want everyone calling, unlike with something like 9's through j's where you may actually lose expected value by having it 4 way for 1 bet instead of heads up for 2. With 10's, you raise to both isolate and for value. With aces, you raise only for value. You want everyone cold calling you. With 10's, you probably _dont_ want to be OOP when people behind you have overcards. With aces, you obviously dont _want_ to be OOP, but you should gladly accept their calls.You want multiway pots with aces, because multiway pots means more people cold calling your bets with vastly inferior hands that you're not (hugely) vulnerable to. Like i said, if you're ever playing in a game where you _need_ to limp in early position to get any action, you're either not raising enough or you're playing at a table that's way too tight.

[Guest Anonymous]

i agree with the the raise. the aa is just too voulnerable .... plus if someone from early position calls you or even re-raises, the rest of the table may lay their hands down and you get the heads up you need to swing the odds your way.matt

[Abbaddabba 0]

For the people who think that aces perform poorly in multiway pots; do you get upset when people cold call your raise preflop? Winning pots isn't what you should be aiming for. Winning money is. People cold calling your raises or entering the pot with vastly inferior hands is a _good_ thing, unless you're so incompetent at LHE that you can never bare to fold aces in light of heavy post flop action. If that's the case, you're probably a losing player anyways.