most underated player in the poker world

[tweeds07 0]

Those people who simply watch the WSOP on ESPN won't know who these guys are but it doesn't mean that they're underrated.

[tweeds07 0]

Those people who occasionally watch poker on ESPN won't know anything about anybody they don't see on TV, but can you blame them? So who really cares what they think? That by no means constitutes Todd Brunson or Chip Reese being underrated, because people who know who they are know that they are good players and respect them for this....Once again still think you are confusing underrated for undertelevised/no media hype.

[doublemeup 0]

Those people who occasionally watch poker on ESPN won't know anything about anybody they don't see on TV, but can you blame them? So who really cares what they think? That by no means constitutes Todd Brunson or Chip Reese being underrated, because people who know who they are know that they are good players and respect them for this....Once again still think you are confusing underrated for undertelevised/no media hype.

Ok whatever. I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Who do you think is the most underated player in the world?

[arerad 0]

See, I gotta go with myself.After I handed neverwin's ass to him the other night, definitely.and Todd isn't underrated, just by forum idiots who just watch espn.

after kicking neverwins arse.....i concur

[Garn 0]

how about raymer? I mean he is well known but I don't know how well respected he is. He gets my vote

[mbreon 0]

if you read "the professor the banker the suicide king" then you knew all about todd brunson before the wsop, great book, everyone that enjoys poker should read itbtw, watching players on poker superstars isnt probably very likely to give someone more respect for a player, becuase you see them pushing in with junk hands a lot due to the high blind strcture

thats what you would think but people actually do have more respect for those players that are on tv. How about David Williams for example or John Murphy? They're household names because they got lucky to do well in the Main Event last year.

Who cares what donkeys think?

[SPADES21 0]

I would really like to know whos opinion of under rated you are taking. Cause if you look at the television crowd then maybe you could say Chip Reese or Todd Brunson merely because they dont play alot of big tv tourneys. But if you were to talk to poker pros and ask them i would bet that they have more respect for players like todd and chip and especially John J. and Phil Ivy and just about every other house hold name. But to use people like David Wiliams and John Murphy...who the f*ck are these guys. They do well in one tourney and their under rated pros? give me a break

[doublemeup 0]

Who said John Murphy and David Williams were underated? What the **** are you talking about?

[PhilHellmuth 0]

OP,if i were you, i would note that every single person is disagreeing with me about brunson and reese, and concede the point. my suspicion, however, is that you yourself are very likely one of those ESPN/Travel Channel people who very recently started to find some real things out about poker. congratulations. however, please just realize that these discoveries of yours about how good these guys are were made by a lot of other people a long time ago and NOBODY who really knows poker underates todd brunson or chip reese. NOBODY. if you'd like, start a thread with a poll asking if people think they are underated. if more than 15% says they are, i'll give you 1000 dollars.

[PhilHellmuth 0]

how about raymer? I mean he is well known but I don't know how well respected he is. He gets my vote

LMFAO.i havent laughed this hard in years. thanks for that.

[elkang 0]

All this underrated talk needs to get more specific or it will be useless to argue about.<B>Underrated by who? </b>The pros - who are the ones who would make the best judgement? The media - who promote the ones who will "sell papers" or are easy stories? Or the fans - who tend to be clueless as the popular media but more stubborn in their loyalties?Todd Brunson is not underrated by anyone except the dumbasses sitting at his $2-4K game (and he plays higher and busted up Andy Beal in the Biggest gamel). If you read any poker press in the last few years you would know this - and know that Doyle ranks him up there - and it's not a familial loyalty thing.I know plenty of dumbasses who underrate players in these $10K tourneys I see. Sometimes I let the table know that the guy at there table is media worthy and sometimes not. But, I usually do so at a cash game.I think the last underated player was Alan Cunningham... and I asked him who he thought the most underrated player now was. You'll probably see him as one of my fantasy poker picks.

[elkang 0]

and once again, I do this professionally, but I know jack squat. Which is a hell of a lot more than most of you (and at least a few professional players).

[doublemeup 0]

you say that todd bruson isn't underated but then you come back with allan cunningham being underated? by who? the media? He hasn't made any televised tournaments before this year besides that one wpt tournament and hes not underated by the people who "know" poker.

[doublemeup 0]

ok i've made the poll asking if people think Todd Brunson is underated and i'd like that $1000 if more than 15% say he is.

[mused01 0]

why the hell are you trying SO hard to defend your opinion over whos underrated. drop it already, no one cares what you think.

[Eclypse 0]

In my opinion, Greg Raymer is the most underrated player at the present time. He's not the greatest player in the world or anything, but I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. He's much more knowledgable about poker than many people think.

[honestabe 0]

This forum has a problem.The guy who started this topic merely stated his opinion on who the most underrated player is, and now it has degenerated into a childish debate over what the definition of "underrated" is. Seriously, guys, get over yourselves. You don't have to try to prove that you're smarter than anyone else by tearing down his or her opinions. This topic, at heart is a good one; lots of people have differing opinions on this subject, and it would be great to find out what everyone else thinks. It does not, however, have to be a debate. Opinions are opinions, after all-- no one person can be "right." Just state your opinion, maybe some reasons behind it, and be done with it. Is it so hard to be civil?Oh yeah, and as for my vote... probably either Raymer or one of the many excellent players from southeast Asia (there are too many to name.)

[AgroPoker 0]

Todd is known in the poker world for being Doyle's son, not for being a great poker player.

This is the dumbest statement yet. who in the oker world (i.e. top poker players) think Todd is not a great player.Where are you getting your info. I think you are just make yourself look bad.I would stop now.

[doublemeup 0]

This forum has a problem.The guy who started this topic merely stated his opinion on who the most underrated player is, and now it has degenerated into a childish debate over what the definition of "underrated" is. Seriously, guys, get over yourselves. You don't have to try to prove that you're smarter than anyone else by tearing down his or her opinions. This topic, at heart is a good one; lots of people have differing opinions on this subject, and it would be great to find out what everyone else thinks. It does not, however, have to be a debate. Opinions are opinions, after all-- no one person can be "right." Just state your opinion, maybe some reasons behind it, and be done with it. Is it so hard to be civil?Oh yeah, and as for my vote... probably either Raymer or one of the many excellent players from southeast Asia (there are too many to name.)

If anyone actually read my first post in this thread, they would realize that that was my intention. Just to get people's opinion as i gave mine but then they started bashing my opinion so i decided to defend it. Sorry for sticking by my opinion. Next time i'll just say "yup, yup, you're absolutely right. you know more about poker than i will ever know."

[SPADES21 0]

"yup' date=' yup' date=' you're absolutely right. you know more about poker than i will ever know."[/quote'']THANK GOD! He finally gets it!

[doublemeup 0]

"yup' date=' yup' date=' you're absolutely right. you know more about poker than i will ever know."[/quote'']THANK GOD! He finally gets it!

:wink:

[PhilHellmuth 0]

congrats btw to another person the OP would probably consider 'underated' [underated = someone the espn watching donkeys (one of which is probably the OP) havent heard of] - Minh Ly just took down the Doyle Brunson tourny at the bike. congrats to Minh on the OP's no longer considering him underated. btw im just kidding, OP. i know that you probably had actually never heard of Minh.

[elkang 0]

you say that todd bruson isn't underated but then you come back with allan cunningham being underated? by who? the media? He hasn't made any televised tournaments before this year besides that one wpt tournament and hes not underated by the people who "know" poker.

I'm in Foxwoods mid-Nov. Please give me your name when/if you come in - so, I can berate you to your face. Also, learn how to quote when you reply, you internet donkey. But, I'm only replying to you to highlight your stupidity for others to not emulate.You obviously misread me (he was the LAST underated player) and think way too highly of your own poker knowledge. You don't "know" poker very well compared to many on FCP and that's not saying much.

[TheWynn 0]

See, I gotta go with myself.After I handed neverwin's ass to him the other night, definitely.and Todd isn't underrated, just by forum idiots who just watch espn.

I sweated you suited, and by the way chip reese undrated? Just ask the players in the big game. The guy is T*ts.

[mandm 0]

I know that everyone has a different opinion on this topic but in my mind, Todd Brunson has to be the most underated player in the game. You could also make a good arguement for Chip Reese but i'll stick with Todd. He plays in the highest cash games in the world and has claimed to win more than 20 million in those games not to mention that despite not playing in too many tournaments, hes already won a WSOP bracelet this year. He doesn't get any respects seeing he has a dad named...uh..i forgot. Plus, he doesn't play in enough tournaments for the general public to see him at a final table. People probably have more respect Glenn Hughes who made the WSOP final table last year. Tell me who you think is the most underated player in the game.