crowTrobot 2 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Spade- no need to apologize- you are always a true gentleman in every sense of the word- if we ever do hang out, and we probably will at some point considering I live on 51st and Northern and I think you are close by, someday we will hang- you will see that what I ( try ) and represent has nothing to do with the 9/11 type psychos. Or David Koresh, or Jim Jones, or any other religous zealot you can think of.Holy shiz.My ex gf lived on 51st and northern, exactly, and I am at 51st and thunderbird 4 times out of the week for school.I'm not even 10 miles away for either.We'll meet at some point.bring a gun Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I'm representing the 80th and T-Bird crew. Link to post Share on other sites
agsa6079 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Again, a debate about Christianity? When are you kids gonna learn that ANY organized religon is just a mix of folklore and stories passed on from one generation to the next. The funny thing about zealots and believers is the fact they think they have it right. Why is Chritianity the right religon? What if Southpark was true and the Mormons were the the only one's who got it right?Seriously, to questions someone's private beliefs is low class. Like religon, each person is free to determine their level of commitment and their level of belief. Besides, Christianity is completely assbackwards. Wine is a sacred part of the sacrement, but it's unchristian to indulge in wine for pleasure? Whatever. How is gambling bad when churches turn to casino night and bingo (one church in Alabama recently held a charity poker tournament) for fundraisers?The most assbackwards part of Christianity is the differnet factions within it. Catholicism and Baptism are both Christian faiths, yet are vastly differnet in THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE AND GOD'S MESSAGE. That's all the fragmented "religons" are, an offshoot from another branch who disagrees with the other faiths. The Lutheran Sect disagreed with the Protestants, so they formed their own "religon" pushing their values and interpretations on their followers. I could cite many more examples, but why? Link to post Share on other sites
TS Clark 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Most don't realize that the Bible is very strict when it comes to how you spend your time. Being a Christian is a complete lifestyle.No it doesn't. And no it's not. Being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. That's the literal definition. Evangelical nutballs are the ones who have designed the whole "Holy Eye for the Christian Guy" lifestyle nonsense. If you are using the Bible as a "lifestyle" guide, the only lifestyle Jesus demanded from his followers was to live a righteous life. He defined that as serving others and reverencing God. Not as not playing poker or not drinking or not etc..Many specific Christian sects outline very specific guidelines for their members, as is their right. And most of these rules are good, since they tend to keep a hedge between adherents and bad things (drug and alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, sexually-related consequences, etc.). But Jesus never specifically told people to not do half the things that churches forbid them to do.Jesus was the original Spirit of the Law kind of guy. As opposed to you and your ilk, who have a cameo in the Bible. You were called the Pharisees. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickoli 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Discuss, my community college minions.What the shit does community college have to do with anything?I know some smart muthas who went to community college. I think jesus would say you are wrong for making assumptions about people's intelligence based on where they study for 2 measly years...But you are right... DN is the sinner.... StothemuthaFuckinW Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Next time I sit down to play poker with my father, the preacher, I'll be sure to ask him if he thinks that playing poker is un-christian.that explains the avatar lolpreachers daughters= hot and wild lol Link to post Share on other sites
SuM827 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 If you're religious you are either,intelligent but brainwashed by tradition and custom,ignorant and brainwashed by tradition and custom,intelligent and afraid of death and grasp for personal immortality,or ignorant and afraid of death and grasp for personal immortality.Sorry, no other options for you.Yeah, I completely agree. It's sad, because so many intelligent people have been mindfucked by organized religeon since early childhood, that they just accept it. All organized religeons are simply a means of control. It's pretty easy, all you really have to do is take a famous minister/prophet, mix in a little fact, and alot of fiction, and tell people that they are the son of god, or a savior sent from god, and because people are always searching for meaning, they accept these notions. Then you have these guys spread the "word of god" and brainwash all of the people they can find, and pretty soon everyone is listening to you. And you can have holy wars, or crusades over geopolitically significant pieces of land (i.e. jerusalem) and no one will ask why, or for what purpose- It's god's will! :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Here is a tasty nugget of opinion:There is no such thing as god or heaven or hell. When you die you either become a bucket of ashes or a box of maggot food. Religion is a mythological belief to help people cope with death. God = Santa Clause = easter bunny. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Can someone with authority please move this thread to off-topic so that it will die off? Link to post Share on other sites
BigPhish 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Today's Christians make Baby Jesus cry. :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Most don't realize that the Bible is very strict when it comes to how you spend your time. Being a Christian is a complete lifestyle.that is very very very wrong...Was the time before Jesus strict? absolutely b/c they lived under the Law. Is life strict now that Jesus died for sin? not even close. With Jesus came the Grace of God. Meaning we are more free to do what we want. does it mean no sinning? of course but if you have a hard time not killing people, not committing adultery, not honoring your parents...etc... well then you have a lot more wrong with you than a normal person Link to post Share on other sites
bmcelveen03 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Anyone remember the movie Dogma? It had a great point in it about religion. The bible is a bunch of ideas, written by MAN. These are ideas, not rules, and as long as DN is good to other people and doesn't go on a killing spree.In fact I think the lord forgives all those who ask for forgiveness, thats somewhere in the good book Link to post Share on other sites
jackoffsuit 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Im a Christian and yes I am a hypocrite. Everyone is. Only Jesus can say I am not a hypocrite. He is the only one who walked this earth who didnt sin. Is alcohol wrong? Being a Christian, that is a tough question, its a grey area. But are there really grey areas to God? Heres a good web site for Christians and drinking http://www.layhands.com/CanChristiansDrinkAlcohol.htmThe fact is we are all born sinners. Why, because we are a fallen people because of Adam and Eve. We sin everyday. So saying DN is a hypocrite is right. Of course he is a hypocrite. Everyone is. Im sure DN knows that he is. He CAN be a Christian because Jesus died on the cross for his sins. He died on the cross for the worlds sins. We can be forgiven of our sins. And being a "good guy" wont get you into heaven. For God so loved the world that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.Can you be a "good guy" but not belive in God. I think its possible.Being a Christian is tough because everyone thinks you should be perfect. The truth is noone is perfect. Not even close.Some people also say that God only died for the elect. He chose certain people. Im not sure I agree with that but thats a whole other argument.This is what I believe and I'm sure some will disagree with me and thats alright. Im not telling anyone how to live their lives. My own is tough enough. Have a great day everyone! Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 my bible tells me to walk with a limp and hum the pina colada song..so i HAVE TO DO IT...i mean its in the bible... Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Sorry if you think I"m trying to judge, I'm not. Do you think DN is conveying the Christian lifestyle? LIke it or not, poker is a form of gambling. DN does gamble, as he stated in his most recent blog. Drinking is fine, in moderation of course. Again, I am just posing a question. Some of you really get bent out of shape quickly, and cant seem to hold a normal conversation.What is the christian lifestyle? I drink, have tattoos, have fun with my freinds play poker, listen to all kinds of music (ie. staind, tool, marilyn mason (sp)), Yet I also lead a group at my church? Do I lead the christian lifestyle? (i would say absolutely not by your standards) You seem to forget so much about the thing called Grace. It allows us to live our lives. People are the ones that put chains on us. Read Romans 6. We were freed from the chains so why would we want to put them back on. I love to hear people tell me what I cannot do b/c i know ill go do it just to prove that it is not "anti-christian". So dont sit here and make some half argument when it appears that you dont have the full information or maybe just misinformed. You make it harder for others Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 my bible tells me to walk with a limp and hum the pina colada song..so i HAVE TO DO IT...i mean its in the bible...Praise the good book we have another follower!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I see God in my T.V. and he tells me to find the devil and play poker with him. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickoli 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 It took me a long time to figure out that this entire thread is about Yahweh!Probably because I went to a Jewish Community College. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Few comments:first off the morman comment was humorous and no mormanism is not correct and historical evidence proves that. second is that the Bible is the Inspired Word of God, Bible says it so hey i believe it. Bible says a lot of things most of which get taken out of context which is a huge problem. The Bible does not contradict itself which shoudl be surprising giving the number of authors. The main problem is in the translations not in the actual Greek/Hebrew and once you know the Greek it becomes easier to see what was meant to be saidthird is it crazy when people put all these restrictions on others b/c the Bible "says so" Most of what the Bible says is common sense stuff that most "good" people do anyways Unfortunately being a "good" person isnt enough but thats a whole other discussionfourth I consider myself an educated person who didnt really grow up around religion, who doesnt fear death but who believes there is a God and that Jesus was His Son. Why i believe this is a whole other topic again but the jist is that from a reasonable standpoint. It makes sense that there is a creator since the old question still remains...(how do yo uget something from nothing) and many other questions that science cannot and probably will never find an answer tofifth and one of the most important things is that I could be wrong about christianity. It is something i have to admit b/c well its true. Do i think im wrong? no b/c i look at history and see that I am likely in good standing. So it becomes up to nonbelievers to prove that I am wrong and so far there isnt a good reason to believe Im wrong. Pascal the math guy had this wager (not as a means to persuade people) but he said this....if there is a God then I being the christian win and you being the none believer loses. if there is not a God then I lose and you lose. So either way the nonbeliever dies and loses while the christian may or may not lose. Again that is not to persuade just a common arguement. Finally I wanna say again that there are a lot of "christians" out there who are not smart. Basically they dont have Knowledge in the truest since and it is unfortuante. They know somethings but it is not knowledge and its unfortunate when they get torn apart b/c they arent smart Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I smoke ROCKS, joe rogan Link to post Share on other sites
ggriffin 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Pascal the math guy had this wager (not as a means to persuade people) but he said this....if there is a God then I being the christian win and you being the none believer loses. if there is not a God then I lose and you lose. So either way the nonbeliever dies and loses while the christian may or may not lose.very good quote. i think the only thing i learned in class this semester may apply to people saying we have to prove there is a God. its a reply to something called an argument from ignorance and it basically says: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Pascal the math guy had this wager (not as a means to persuade people) but he said this....if there is a God then I being the christian win and you being the none believer loses. if there is not a God then I lose and you lose. So either way the nonbeliever dies and loses while the christian may or may not lose.very good quote. i think the only thing i learned in class this semester may apply to people saying we have to prove there is a God. its a reply to something called an argument from ignorance and it basically says: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.So what hes saying is , technically, Religion is +EV? Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 only thing i hate about god is the variance,,,the swings will kill ya Link to post Share on other sites
ggriffin 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Pascal the math guy had this wager (not as a means to persuade people) but he said this....if there is a God then I being the christian win and you being the none believer loses. if there is not a God then I lose and you lose. So either way the nonbeliever dies and loses while the christian may or may not lose.very good quote. i think the only thing i learned in class this semester may apply to people saying we have to prove there is a God. its a reply to something called an argument from ignorance and it basically says: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.So what hes saying is , technically, Religion is +EV?lol, i'm gonna say yea. the last two posts cracked me up. the swings are a bit rough at times. Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 jesus christ, some of the shit i've read in this thread have made my head spin.are you christians really that closed-minded to believe that you have to be right and everyone else has their one way ticket to hell all booked with expedia DOT COMMMM?seriously, you people are poker players. why not look at the statistical odds that you're right?how many known religions are there? at least a hundred, right? you have better luck chasing that gutshot straight flush draw on the river than you do your belief being right.i'm proud to be agnostic. i don't know what the fuck is out there, and i'm thankful for that. i pray to jebus or allah or joe pesci that i'll NEVER know, because i don't want to sound like some bigoted asshole preaching my views if i ever would know the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
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