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I dont think they should have made it a point to talk about it. As Stollzmann said, the tip was already taken out of his prize money, which turns out to be about 40k. Im not sure they do, but if they take 3 percent from everyone's winnings as tips, they are getting a pretty big tip in my opinion. And Stollzmann said he was new to the tournament scene, so he obviously didnt mean anything by tipping only 500 dollars extra. Also, I agree with what he said, that the tips should be kept private. Anyway, I dont think this should even be a big deal. Congrats to Stollzman on a nice victory!

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I've defended him very emphatically on Cardplayer's website. He posted an apology on RGP, basically he didn't know what was customary and gave $500 more. This got amplified by Chau giving $15000, but the thing is is that Chau has been there and knows what is customary. Stoltzman is a 23 year old college student so $500 is a lot to him, even if he did win 1.5 million. the 45k was taken out of the total prize purse. I think its wrong for people to rag on him, put yourself in his position: You just became the youngest WPT champion at a real major(this is probably the third or fourth biggest event of the year) and youjust won 1.5 million. You are now set for life, you can pay rent for the rest of the school year(he's graduating this semester), pay off your loans, buy a new car, get something nice for your parents and girlfriend(if you have one), and are now BMOC. Does tipping the tourny dealers come into this equation, no. Anyone who says that this would be the first thing on their mind is a complete liar. Seriously just give the poor(rich) guy a break he didn't know anybetter

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what do you guys think about that bruhaha on pokerpages about him only tipping 500dollars more than the 3% they already took out at tunica???
They should apolgize to Stollzmann - the 3% tip is mandatory, so $45K was taken out of his winnings as a tip. If he wants to tip more than that, that's his business.It's like a restaurant where sometimes if you have a large party, they will automatically add 15% as a mandatory tip. If you want to tip more, then great, but you are not expected to.
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I think tipping in these cases is a bunch of bull. The employees should be getting bonuses from the casinoe that are raking in millions and getting publicity from these tournaments. This is not Alice working her ass off at the diner for minimum wage so her kids don't have to eat cat food again. Gimme a friggin' break; everyone wants a freebie. Do you tip the greeter at Walmart?

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I think tipping in these cases is a bunch of bull. The employees should be getting bonuses from the casinoe that are raking in millions and getting publicity from these tournaments. This is not Alice working her ass off at the diner for minimum wage so her kids don't have to eat cat food again. Gimme a friggin' break; everyone wants a freebie. Do you tip the greeter at Walmart?[/quotWell said, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's a complete and total sham really, The major events like this take 3% off the top for the dealers. This at one time was not the case, so the final few players would always tip as they busted off the table, to help the dealers out. Because if you have ever played live you know the dealer needs to be good or they can screw you. I was playing one live once in the 1 hole, final three, went all in as I was short stack. Dealer announced the all in then as he was scooping up the blinds and such, he just auto grabbed my cards to his immediate left and mucked them. I got my money back out, but that didn't matter to me much, cuz they played the hand out. By the riv I had made the nut str8 and would have tripled through. Now it was not for huge money, but that's not the point. Anyway, that's an example of why good dealing at a live tourney has always been taken care of.This is another reason why I hope the PPT really takes off and becomes poker's version of the PGA. The casino's are making huge bank on these tournies, from money the players are putting up. Then to turn around after the 3% pop and say that he is expected to tip again, just because he popped a big one, gimme a break.
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agreed. what a sham. if they want the players to tip, make it at their discretion. Once they take the 3% out, thats the freaking tip. anything else is over and beyond what is required. The dealer who complained is a scumbag.

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It would be really interesting to get Daniel's opinion on this. After all he is one of the very few people on this site that have ever been in this situation. After Daniels first big win what did he tip? What does he usually tip if he wins a million $ plus tourney? Just wanting to get all the info that I can on this subject so I am prepared for when it happens to me.

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I know a dealer that works at the Borgota and he said they were extremely happy that Daniel won the Borgata Poker Open because they know that he is an exceptional tipper. He mentioned that most of the other "big-timers" rarely tip well.

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I've defended him very emphatically on Cardplayer's website. He posted an apology on RGP, basically he didn't know what was customary and gave $500 more. This got amplified by Chau giving $15000, but the thing is is that Chau has been there and knows what is customary. Stoltzman is a 23 year old college student so $500 is a lot to him, even if he did win 1.5 million. the 45k was taken out of the total prize purse. I think its wrong for people to rag on him, put yourself in his position: You  just became the youngest WPT champion at a real major(this is probably the third or fourth biggest event of the year) and youjust won 1.5 million. You are now set for life, you can pay rent for the rest of the school year(he's graduating this semester), pay off your loans, buy a new car, get something nice for your parents and girlfriend(if you have one), and are now BMOC. Does tipping the tourny dealers come into this equation, no. Anyone who says that this would be the first thing on their mind is a complete liar. Seriously just give the poor(rich) guy a break he didn't know anybetter
he did know better... he is not a broke college kid.. he plays 50/100 100/200 on a regular basis and has played some other lower buyin events... I would have flown back to tunica and asked for my 500 back. How much do the dealers and staff want to make???? They DEAL... they dont perform brain surgery... they should be happy the 3% is already taken out...
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When I first started playing small money tourneys I asked Jan Fisher at Cardplayer what a good tip was. She said small tourneys 5-7% was very good and large tourneys 3% was normal, but was going down with the large prize pools.Since then the hotels are taking 3% and expecting even more. While this practice is becoming the norm it caused a big battle a few years ago at the WSOP. Paul Phillips and several pros boycotted the event for one year as they thought it was wrong!I cashed at a Mirage tourney a few weeks back and tipped 5% (and then realized they had taken 3% out already (they take it out of the prize pool not your winnings so you receive what they said you won). I was happy to tip, but felt that I should have been reminded that the 3% already came out of my winnings.

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I think these online poker rooms that give away packages that include buy-ins and travel money should include a little extra so the winner has tip money...lol!1st prize$5000 buy-in for Aruba$1200 for travel$3000 for tips

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I suggest reading the blog posts:TUNICA TROUBLES 1/30 http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/index.php?i...mid=119&catid=3JOHN STOLZMANN reply 1/31http://www.pokerpages.com/blog/index.php?i...mid=120&catid=33% is adequate but not a generous tip. This should not have been made public, and by doing so it looks like things are worse off for everyone. $500 on top of the base $45,000 tip is in relative terms nothing. As an aside, after a big win, I give my tips directly to dealers and staff. It takes more time, but I think it's better - or at least my Asian culture has always led me to hand out cash envelopes in that way.

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I agree!   PM me for my address to send tip for agreeing with you!
You know I was thinking about doing it. But, I think you asked too boldly. I think I'll send you a card saying "$xxx was donated to Tsunami relief on your behalf". :D
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I think I'll send you a card saying "$xxx was donated to Tsunami relief on your behalf".
You didn't donate to the human fund, what kind of person are you
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Casino took 400k in rake from the total buy-in... just for that tourney... He had no clue what the standard was and most pros have said they wouldnt have tipped at all with ridiculous rake the casino took... the standard rake is anywhere from 200-250k...

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Well, this is some nonsense from the people in Tunica. They should be tied to a horse and dragged for a while for this kind of petty, whiny crap.I 100% agree with Stollzmann's post. They took 3% of his winnings already -- $45K. It's the casino's responsibility to divvy that up and keep their people taken care of. Anything additional that someone wants to leave is great, but NO ONE should be badmouthed because they didn't want to be additionally generous.I'm tremendously sympathetic to service workers and make it a point to always tip well. My wife waited tables for years when she was a teenager and in college, so I'm sensitive to this. But I think that the $45K that was taken out of his check aut0matically is already well over the threshold of Pretty Damn Generous.

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Once again we have to hear dealers whine, whine, and whine some more about getting tipped. They are lucky they got the $500. I would have not tipped them one cent. What do they think the 3% is for? If the other guy gave $15K that is his choice, but nothing should be expected. As suggested above, I would have fired right back and tried to get the $500 back. Just deal the cards. That is your job. No one cares about your whining.

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If the other guy gave $15K that is his choice
to further the point above...lets keep in perspective the two people who tipped the dealer 500 and 15000...John and Chau...one is a student...the other is possibly the biggest cash money player in the game today....in relative terms Chau's tip was the equivalent to approximately 2BB in the 4000/8000 game he plays regularly... John's was 2.5BB in the 100/200 games that someone said he apparently plays...seems pretty reasonable to me.just another way to look at it.KK
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