ever fold kk pf?

[Drwnded 0]

I've always scoffed when people comment that sometimes they lay down KK preflop b/c they "know" that their opponent has AA. Although I still can't see myself folding KK preflop, I've run into AA with it my fair share of times. Today in a 200$ level 3 steps single table SNG on PP I had KK in the small blind w/blinds at 15/30. It's folded to button who raises to 90, I reraise to 300, BB folds, and the button instantly moves all in. The button and I were the two largest stacks at the table by a fair margin. The final three players at the table move onto the next level. The button was not a maniac, hadn't played an excessive number of hands. My thinking was, why would he want to risk all his chips against the other large stack at the table (me) and move allin after I had reraised him, unless he held AA. I didn't fold, but I expected him to turn over AA after I called, which he did.Anyone fold here? Do you think it is really +EV for me to call here - it's tough to see him make this move with anything other than AA or KK, maybe QQ, not even AK with the blinds at this level.

[kristianlinnell 0]

I think the consensus is that they usually have AA, though you won't be surprised how often they have TT, JJ, QQ, AKs, AKo, AQs and AQo. Or even lower. Maybe 5% of the time their bluffing, I mean, if they can get experts to fold kings, its a pretty high-percentage bluff. It really depends on the player, the tournament and the table dynamics. Things like the amount of times that player have reraised so far. How are you percieved? For example, have you recently bluffed or come over the top several times? Has the button been raising frequently and would thusly percieve your reraise as a weak reaction to his over aggression? And, more importantly, by what increment is he re-raising? If you reraise to 300 and he comes over the top for 3000, you can, with thought to the above stipulations, usually fold. But if the reraise is to 1200 you must always call.Some people simply disregard all of the above and always put in all of their chips with KK preflop. At the lower limits this is usually correct. By about $30+3 entry fee, that would become an expensive habit. By the way, I think by the world-class level, you revert back to low limit strategy, in that putting all your money in with Kings is usually the best thing. They will be thinking what you're thinking their thinking and + a few more expert bluffs perhaps so you'd factor all that in, weighing it toward a call.

[JFinn08 0]

I've always scoffed when people comment that sometimes they lay down KK preflop b/c they "know" that their opponent has AA. Although I still can't see myself folding KK preflop, I've run into AA with it my fair share of times. Today in a 200$ level 3 steps single table SNG on PP I had KK in the small blind w/blinds at 15/30. It's folded to button who raises to 90, I reraise to 300, BB folds, and the button instantly moves all in. The button and I were the two largest stacks at the table by a fair margin. The final three players at the table move onto the next level. The button was not a maniac, hadn't played an excessive number of hands. My thinking was, why would he want to risk all his chips against the other large stack at the table (me) and move allin after I had reraised him, unless he held AA. I didn't fold, but I expected him to turn over AA after I called, which he did.Anyone fold here? Do you think it is really +EV for me to call here - it's tough to see him make this move with anything other than AA or KK, maybe QQ, not even AK with the blinds at this level.

I like a fold here. Not saying I have the discipline to do it, but in a flat payout structure where you have nice chip lead, why risk it here against the one person who can knock you out.If it is a MTT, I like the call better. I want 1st.Edit: how many people are left?

[PoppinFresh 0]

I think there are times to fold KK, but this is not one of them, it'd be a terrible fold in this spot.The button opened the action in this hand. Would you fold KK in a 3-handed game? I certainly hope not.

[GWCGWC 83]

I have folded KK pre-flop in a tourney exactly once.Pstars $3+rebuys to the 700k MTT.Pay out was 7 entries =$530 Tdollars, 8th place got around $200.We were down to nine handed and there was one short stack. The short stack had folded and his blind was coming up. The big stack bet 10x the BB and was over half my chips. I was in the CO and folded without thinking about it. I have no idea if he had AA and it really didn't matter. I was thinking I had a dominating hand, but it wasn't worth the risk.In your situation I can't fold KK. In a one table step or sitngo, I will go all in, heads up or in a multi way pot, no matter what the action was every time. I am no where even close to being good enough to accuratly guess when I'm up against AA, AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, etc. I know this sounds like a blanket statement. It's supposed to. If you folded KK vs. a very tight player raising all in every time, I would think you are losing more than you think. BTW, you have outs.

[strategy 4]

I've seen attrocious play at pretty much every level of online poker. I don't care what online tournament you're in, it's never correct to lay down KK preflop.I've laid down KK once preflop and I happened to be right. Thinking back on the hand, it was a terrible fold.

[JFinn08 0]

I've seen attrocious play at pretty much every level of online poker. I don't care what online tournament you're in, it's never correct to lay down KK preflop.I've laid down KK once preflop and I happened to be right. Thinking back on the hand, it was a terrible fold.

So if you are in a satellite to the WSOP and you are 2nd in chips and get KK, the chip leader moves all in. There are 11 people left, 10 get a seat.You are saying it is correct to call here?

[strategy 4]

I've seen attrocious play at pretty much every level of online poker. I don't care what online tournament you're in, it's never correct to lay down KK preflop.I've laid down KK once preflop and I happened to be right. Thinking back on the hand, it was a terrible fold.

So if you are in a satellite to the WSOP and you are 2nd in chips and get KK, the chip leader moves all in. There are 11 people left, 10 get a seat.You are saying it is correct to call here?

If you really wanted to impress me you should have added on "and two people call in front of you..."I was referring to this type of tournament. Apologies for not clarifying.

[zimmer4141 0]

Although it may be the incorrect move, I think I would fold in this spot. You should save your chips, and even though it may be the best hand you see the entire time, you might get a better spot, where you are guaranteed a better prize even if you go out.

[JFinn08 0]

I've seen attrocious play at pretty much every level of online poker. I don't care what online tournament you're in, it's never correct to lay down KK preflop.I've laid down KK once preflop and I happened to be right. Thinking back on the hand, it was a terrible fold.

So if you are in a satellite to the WSOP and you are 2nd in chips and get KK, the chip leader moves all in. There are 11 people left, 10 get a seat.You are saying it is correct to call here?

If you really wanted to impress me you should have added on "and two people call in front of you..."I was referring to this type of tournament. Apologies for not clarifying.

I wasnt trying to impress you. Based on your post, it sounded like you were implying it should NEVER be laid down preflop. I dont believe this is true. I was asking you to clarify.Sorry I misunderstood you. No reason to get all pissy with me.

[strategy 4]

I've seen attrocious play at pretty much every level of online poker. I don't care what online tournament you're in, it's never correct to lay down KK preflop.I've laid down KK once preflop and I happened to be right. Thinking back on the hand, it was a terrible fold.

So if you are in a satellite to the WSOP and you are 2nd in chips and get KK, the chip leader moves all in. There are 11 people left, 10 get a seat.You are saying it is correct to call here?

If you really wanted to impress me you should have added on "and two people call in front of you..."I was referring to this type of tournament. Apologies for not clarifying.

I wasnt trying to impress you. Based on your post, it sounded like you were implying it should NEVER be laid down preflop. I dont believe this is true. I was asking you to clarify.Sorry I misunderstood you. No reason to get all censored with me.

I'm not mad. I like to joke around. I've actually personally been in a situation where I had to lay down AA preflop in a satellite. Fun stuff.

[Juandastyle 0]

Best I've folded preflop is QQ...Cash game, .50/1.00 blinds, about $50 sitting in front of me, from all the betting i knew one of em had at least KK, AK, AA.... turns out they both had AA. ONLY ON POKERSTARS.Funny thing is, i woulda spiked a Q on the Flizzop.poo

[dms26 3]

Although it may be the incorrect move, I think I would fold in this spot. You should save your chips, and even though it may be the best hand you see the entire time, you might get a better spot, where you are guaranteed a better prize even if you go out.

s/w? I can't see folding KK in a SNG or tourney situation, only on the bubble of a satellite with a decent stack. Only 1 in 44 times you're up against AA. It would help a little if OP mentioned stack sizes, but I still say no way I'm folding here.

[MasterLJ 0]

If the action is just between me and another player I'm not going to fold kings.There have been a few times that I've folded them pre-flop. They've mostly been where there have been 2-3+ people all-in pre flop anyway, where you can be pretty damn certain someone has rockets.

[gobears 0]

s/w? I can't see folding KK in a SNG or tourney situation, only on the bubble of a satellite with a decent stack. Only 1 in 44 times you're up against AA. It would help a little if OP mentioned stack sizes, but I still say no way I'm folding here.

Now we're digging up old posts in tourney strat I'm thinking s/w also - I can't see Zim folding the K's either.

[LPY2005 0]

Folded KK preflop twice. Once with me in second chip position against the chip leader, 9 players left, 7 of which all have small stacks, top 8 all pay the same $530 tournament entry. No brainer in my opinion regardless of what the big stack had. I would have layed down AA in this situation, just in case the big stack got lucky, cracked my aces, and knocked me out on the bubble.The second time was live when a fairly inexperienced player looked like he was having an epileptic attack as he pushed his chips in. He did flip over AA.I can't really imagine any other situations that could make me laydown KK preflop.

[mrdannyg 274]

i think when you would fold KK preflop is very close to situations you'd fold AA as well. only related to chip counts.like GWC, i folded aces in a tournament, but you could've given me a third ace, and i'd still have folded. i had 18 chips left after losing an all-in, blinds at 400-800, a bigger stack all-in, and two smaller stacks all-in in the blinds.so yeah, if you're thinking about folding kings, think about if you'd fold aces there too.

Folded KK preflop twice. Once with me in second chip position against the chip leader, 9 players left, 7 of which all have small stacks, top 8 all pay the same $530 tournament entry. No brainer in my opinion regardless of what the big stack had. I would have layed down AA in this situation, just in case the big stack got lucky, cracked my aces, and knocked me out on the bubble.The second time was live when a fairly inexperienced player looked like he was having an epileptic attack as he pushed his chips in. He did flip over AA.I can't really imagine any other situations that could make me laydown KK preflop.

you should've called a doctor. *******.