disturbed by daniel's blog today

[majorleag 0]

Players w/ big bankrolls have been "money-whipping" other players since poker began. Like other posters have said, it sure would suck to have the nuts and let DN PAY YOU OFF w/ crap that he hadn't even looked at...

Others have made this point, here is the problem with that philosophy.More than likely you will never be able to survive long enough against a player like DN to ever have him pay you off.That's the point.Try it some time and then let us know how it worked out for you.

[kers2 0]

I personally saw Layne Flack sit at a 3/6 game at Turning Stone and raise/cap every hand blind until the river, then show down his cards. The table was in stitches. It was a riot, and if a player beat him they acted like a pig in shit like "wow I just beat Layne Flack!!" - even though he never looked at his cards til showdown.The point is not the stakes he played compared to Daniel's sitting with 125g's. The point is a lot more people will come to the Wynn to sit with Daniel and play with a name pro, than will get mad that he is pushing them off hands. Let's also remember that this could be the only ONE TIME he's played like that. He might have sat at a low limit game many times before and not played so "reckless".

[Ottawa_Biatch 288]

people like you are the reason that DN 's going to stop blogging for us. can't be too much fun if you are going to log into your site and see people whining every time you fart and cough...players have the right to stand up and leave the table at any time they find that the conditions are not conducive to their style of play.

dead on

[majorleag 0]

Again just for clarification purposes, I like Daniel and in fact had been working on getting him for an appearance to promote Stacked until the game was recently delayed until December for Xbox, PS2 and PC and until January for the PSP.Had the game not been delayed, we were just finalizing the dates to have him appear and do a signing of the game, and who knows we may reschedule it after the game launches depending on his schedule.So suffice to say that I was making my comments respectfully and not to be nasty.If you read my original post as Sam Hard8 for example did, you will notice that I was not nasty or malicious in the least.I like Daniel, but feel both the behavior and then the bragging was over the top.Now it is certainly possible that at this table people loved it and were eating up, if so then I sit corrected, but I don't know this yet, and can only comment on what I have read so far.

[iveyfan30 0]

Major, I beg to differ.  I never sit down at the poker table with money I'm not prepared to lose.   I obviously don't want to lose it, but if I do, it isn't the end of my world.  Another way to view this would be to look at the first hand he talked about.  That guy made 2800 in two minutes.   Take the good with the bad.   If he is playing reckless, that is his perogative.  He is there to take their money and they are there to take his.   Free will bubba, you don't like the table, get up and sit at another one.  Wait for premium hands and go all in and let the cards fall where they may.    If it wasn't DN but some crazy "nutcase" playing, you would call the game juicy and be dying to sit down.  Give him  a break.  He is just a poker player looking for a game.  Don't hate on him for having cash to blow.  If you had that cash, wouldn't you enjoy doing the same thing he did?  I would.

:clap:

[majorleag 0]

people like you are the reason that DN 's going to stop blogging for us. can't be too much fun if you are going to log into your site and see people whining every time you fart and cough...players have the right to stand up and leave the table at any time they find that the conditions are not conducive to their style of play.

dead on

So why do we have a forum, if we cannot discuss?Should we all just be sheep then?Let me know what flavor Kool Aid you would like and where to send it!

[Timdog1010 0]

people like you are the reason that DN 's going to stop blogging for us. can't be too much fun if you are going to log into your site and see people whining every time you fart and cough...players have the right to stand up and leave the table at any time they find that the conditions are not conducive to their style of play.

dead on

Settle down guys. He gave a thoughful opinion in about the most respectful way he possibly could. That's what these forums are for. I think DN can handle the heat.

[speedz99 145]

I think the key here is what Ron said...if it wasn't DN, but just some maniac throwing around tons of chips without really trying...we would all be jumping at the chance to play with him. As long as nobody at the table complained, I think it sounded like fun.

[majorleag 0]

I personally saw Layne Flack sit at a 3/6 game at Turning Stone and raise/cap every hand blind until the river, then show down his cards.  The table was in stitches.  It was a riot, and if a player beat him they acted like a pig in shit like "wow I just beat Layne Flack!!" - even though he never looked at his cards til showdown.The point is not the stakes he played compared to Daniel's sitting with 125g's.  The point is a lot more people will come to the Wynn to sit with Daniel and play with a name pro, than will get mad that he is pushing them off hands.  Let's also remember that this could be the only ONE TIME he's played like that.  He might have sat at a low limit game many times before and not played so "reckless".

Very good post. I am sure though that Layne was not betting $10k when someone bet $10.00.You are right this may have been and probably was an isolated incident, and as I have said in several previous responses that I was not there and it certainly is possible that the people at that particular table saw nothing wrong with it and in fact enjoyed losing and not being in a position to win.I think if many of you were to unemotionally look at the situation and imagine sitting down at a $5 10 table where let's assume you are a good enough player to consistently win at, and then anybody regardless of who they are sits down and plays with a stack like he did and makes it so that you either can't play any hands or play a few premiums at risk of a suck out, you might change your opinion.Again for those of you that will say find another table, remember that the guy playing at a $5 10 table is most likely more limited in the tables he/she can select then say the guy who is able to play at a $2k 4k table.

[holdinmynutz 0]

I think Wynn will get more good out of this than anything. Imagine the stories that this table has now. They are going to tell all their friends how 'yeah, I got beat, but who better to lose your money to than DN'...and even imagine what the guy that stuck him on the first hand is saying 'i took DN down'...word of mouth is a great marketing tool...right or wrong Wynn will benefit from him doing this...people will realize that you don't have to play 2k/4k to sit with DN, and that is what most of the recreational poker players are truly looking to do (sit with the names and try out their games)...

[PotDragon 0]

I just don't see how it helps him "prepare" for the upcoming WPT event. Other than the specific situation of of being the big stack, it has no relation to the poker he needs to play in tournys...and I really doubt he needs practice playing the "Big Stack Bully".That said...he is allowed to have fun if he wants. It is his money and he can spend/gamble it any way he wants.

Have you played at a B&M casino lately?  Try and leave a table and see how quickly you find another one.

Yes...every single day .Guess what ? Sometimes 3 or 4 casinos a day. Don't like the lineup/wait in that casino ? Pull out a phone and get on a list down the street.

it sure as hell would affect me for example if I had a strong hand but Daniel kept betting $10k and I had to keep folding and ended up losing $2-3k

Then you shouldn't be playing at that table. This just underlines the importance of Table Selection. We have a dude who joins our $10 -$20 game who regularly buys in for about 5 grand...raises every pot blind preflop...and will never fold if he hits any part of it. He has no regard for money ( at least in those amounts ) and since he takes bluffing out of the picture, and you actually need the best hand to win, I almost always cash out and leave when he arrives. I just don't get that many winning hands. Other people love to gamble with him. To each his own.

Yes, I know Poker by its very nature is predatory!  However this is clearly a horribly unbalanced situation

Guess what ? It was unbalanced anyway ! Do you think the only edge DN had was money ? Do you really ? I guess you believe he should only play against pros or should give up the edge he has earned by being fully funded. :roll:

I can tell you that when I played at the USPC it was a huge honor and thrill to play among some of the best and the brightest poker players in the world

Yeah...we know you particapated in the USPC. How much money did you cash for ? Ohh....none. So you lost. Yet it was an "honor". Oops..."huge honor" just to "play among some of the best and the brightest poker players in the world". How do you think the tourists felt when DN sat in their $5-10 NL game ? I'll bet half the table called their Mommy/GF/Wife/Friend and said, " Guess who was playing at my table tonite !" Yeah...I'll bet The Wynn hates that. :roll: I usually root for the underdog too...but in poker they need to protect themselves.Bottom line... If you can't fade the swings...you shouldn't be at that table.

[BigPhish 0]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...Go play at PokerStars... Party... Prima... Full Tilt. You'll see people sitting down on micro (NL$25 & $50) every once in a while with full buy-ins and pushing in every hand. Why? Well, when they do this, if you go search, you almost always see them on some other table with a $5k to $10k buy-in there.They're pros who are steaming or trying to "give back" to the little guys... or both.I, for one, welcome them at my tables. The key? Be smart enough to wait for a good hand and then... gamble. If you don't want to do that, sit out.It's actually quite fun to experience, and I wish I'd have had the opportunity to be at the Wynn that day playing with Daniel in his Nutbar game.

[DDiabolical 0]

If DN sat at my table doing this I would get up and leave. As fun as it would be to sit at the table with DN I wouldn't risk any of my money there, and this kind of play just obliterates the dynamics of the table.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...Go play at PokerStars... Party... Prima... Full Tilt.  You'll see people sitting down on micro (NL$25 & $50) every once in a while with full buy-ins and pushing in every hand.  Why?  Well, when they do this, if you go search, you almost always see them on some other table with a $5k to $10k buy-in there.They're pros who are steaming or trying to "give back" to the little guys... or both.I, for one, welcome them at my tables.  The key? Be smart enough to wait for a good hand and then... gamble.  If you don't want to do that, sit out.It's actually quite fun to experience, and I wish I'd have had the opportunity to be at the Wynn that day playing with Daniel in his Nutbar game.

He isn't a moron, he is respectfully engaging in a debate. As always, major states his point with respect. I don't agree with him, but I don't feel the need to call him a moron. You frackin bonehead.

[majorleag 0]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...

Why because I took the time to formulate a well thought out argument regardless of whether or not you or anyone else agrees?This makes me a moron?Well if my posts make me a moron, I will continue to be a moron.Go look at the thread about why people don't post.It is exactly because of folks like you, who call others a moron.Check my posts over the past several weeks and you will notice one recurring theme, I will no longer stoop to calling people names just because I disagree with them.I will treat every poster on this forum with respect, and all you you should do the same.I welcome discussion, that is what this forum is all about!

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...

Why because I took the time to formulate a well thought out argument regardless of whether or not you or anyone else agrees?This makes me a moron?Well if my posts make me a moron, I will continue to be a moron.Go look at the thread about why people don't post.It is exactly because of folks like you, who call others a moron.Check my posts over the past several weeks and you will notice one recurring theme, I will no longer stoop to calling people names just because I disagree with them.I will treat every poster on this forum with respect, and all you you should do the same.I welcome discussion, that is what this forum is all about!

He doesn't miss a chance to mention he won entry into the USPC. Check them if you don't believe me.I kid b/c I care.

[Fphillips 0]

If DN sat at my table doing this I would get up and leave. As fun as it would be to sit at the table with DN I wouldn't risk any of my money there, and this kind of play just obliterates the dynamics of the table.

Right on man, If I were play'n 5/10nl and someone sat at the table with 125k and started going nuts I'd just get up and watch.After I doubled up :twisted:

[majorleag 0]

If DN sat at my table doing this I would get up and leave. As fun as it would be to sit at the table with DN I wouldn't risk any of my money there, and this kind of play just obliterates the dynamics of the table.

Well said. That is the biggest issue, it obliterates the dynamics of the game.One of the best things about Poker is that unlike almost every other game in a casino it is a thinking person's game and requires skill.If you reduce the game to not looking at your cards or just playing any two cards because you are rich, then the game becomes roulette and you may as well go and put $10k on black!Not good for the game in general in my opinion, yes it may be good for your wallet if you have the stakes, but it is NOT good for the game of poker.That was the biggest point I was trying to make, but it has apparantly been lost.

[alf13 0]

majorleag....I like you dude....but you are way off on this one.....I would be upset if he was actually playing his best...but he was donking off......I would have just sat there...waited for the near nuts and let good ole Danny double me up....he would have made my night.....I also think it's hilarious that a guy bet $200 and Daniel raised $47,000.....He was donking off...a rich guy donking off chips at my game? PLEASE GIVE ME THAT!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!

[Mikeh77 0]

It does kind of come across as Little Dick Syndrome...like a guy who bodybuilds to compensate...Maybe the lack of winning against other pros perhaps so now hes gonna stick it to the peons..that could be "fun".

[elkang 0]

I find this thread to be silly especially coming from someone who was dead money in a $10K tourney. You (majorleague) threw away money there and I could restrain myself from complaining because it's good for the game. I think you should do the same when it comes to others who wish to throw away their money when DN comes to a table. Many people would be glad to play at such a table for a number of reasons and pray for cards as Daniel played so wild.I have ideas on how I would play him (shortstack style or seek to more agressively gamble and double up twice) but really would consider the buy in a very cheap fee for the poker lesson. Obviously, you DO NOT want to play in this game too long because Daniel's large buy in will just eventually destroy you.I watched Gavin Smith when he played like this at a $1/2 NL table at Borgata. Initially, some people were a bit stunned with his antics, but he quickly won over the table. I have no doubt this occured with Daniel as well. Of course, Gavin was also hemmoraging money and there was a $300 max. (Gavin always had $300 in front of him)You weren't even there and you're complaining about it ignorantly. Where this chip is coming from I won't even bother to decipher. I put this in the category of people who complain about online poker. This would be a much better thread if it discussed how one should play at that table or if one should. Instead, it is a complaint about what I consider one of DN's better blog entries recently -- but that isn't saying much considering the lack of poker content lately!

[Petoria 0]

Okay I have a triple layer flame retardant suit on, as I fully expect about 4,000 degree flames coming my way.I of course like most of you have not met Daniel and would certainly like to at some point.  I like his style most of the time and enjoy watching him play on TV.Having said all of that I really was not happy to read his entry today about his amusing antics at the $5.00-$10.00 table beating the hell out of the little guy.I think Daniel needs to reflect back to when he was a new and or less financially secure player and how he would have felt if a very wealthy pro sat down at his $5-10 table and started betting tens of thousands of dollars.

I would love for anyone to sit with 10k$ and donk off in my games. wouldnt you?

Majorleag, you freaking idiot, anybody that can't afford to lose that money shouldnt be playing, and isn't it +EV to have someone playing like a donk in your game. What if this was just someone billionaire who has never played poker donking around, would you feel the same way then?Majorleag, just leave, this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If the people at the table werent good enough to beat someone who was practically giving his money away, they deserve to lose. I guarantee you that you'd be happy to have this type of player at your table whether or not he was Negreanu.

[majorleag 0]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...

Why because I took the time to formulate a well thought out argument regardless of whether or not you or anyone else agrees?This makes me a moron?Well if my posts make me a moron, I will continue to be a moron.Go look at the thread about why people don't post.It is exactly because of folks like you, who call others a moron.Check my posts over the past several weeks and you will notice one recurring theme, I will no longer stoop to calling people names just because I disagree with them.I will treat every poster on this forum with respect, and all you you should do the same.I welcome discussion, that is what this forum is all about!

He doesn't miss a chance to mention he won entry into the USPC. Check them if you don't believe me.I kid b/c I care.

Ron I love you and I knew you would point that out, and I was trying so hard to find a way to mention that I had exposure to pro's without mentioning it but there was no easy way.I just wanted folks to understand that I was able to meet pros and formulate an opinion about them which might very well change if I experienced the aforementioned play.Ron keep on trukin' brother.One of these days we will get together and I will buy you your drink of choice!

[alf13 0]

OP, you're such a frackin moron...Go play at PokerStars... Party... Prima... Full Tilt.  You'll see people sitting down on micro (NL$25 & $50) every once in a while with full buy-ins and pushing in every hand.  Why?  Well, when they do this, if you go search, you almost always see them on some other table with a $5k to $10k buy-in there.They're pros who are steaming or trying to "give back" to the little guys... or both.I, for one, welcome them at my tables.  The key? Be smart enough to wait for a good hand and then... gamble.  If you don't want to do that, sit out.It's actually quite fun to experience, and I wish I'd have had the opportunity to be at the Wynn that day playing with Daniel in his Nutbar game.

Come on man...major is just giving his point of view...that is what this forum is supposed to be about...flaming him wasn't neccessary.

[PotDragon 0]

He doesn't miss a chance to mention he won entry into the USPC

Ever...not once. Strange how he usually fails to mention how he finished.