disturbed by daniel's blog today

[RayPowers 0]

I would love for anyone to sit with 10k$ and donk off in my games. wouldnt you?

Quote for truth!No lies. You tighten it up, and hope to hit a big hand against him, or if you don't want to risk it, you leave to another table. Personally I would have found it funny to watch while simultaneously waiting for the right time to try to relieve Daniel of some of that cash. :)Ray

[kennyg1966 0]

When i first read the blog i was sort of saying to myself.....WHAT!!125k...but when you think of it....if you played your cards right you could walk out with a very nice chunk of that 125k.If ya don't like it, play a no limit with a max buy in...no limit no max buyin is for players !!Or pro's trying to have a little fun...he has been under alot of pressure to play and play WELL....he was just trying to blow of a little steam and get back in the game...I would love to be able to say I sat with Daniel at a table and say he bought in for 125k.AND if i had 125k to throw around i might do it also..!!

[majorleag 0]

I find this thread to be silly especially coming from someone who was dead money in a $10K tourney. You (majorleague) threw away money there and I could restrain myself from complaining because it's good for the game.  I think you should do the same when it comes to others who wish to throw away their money when DN comes to a table. Many people would be glad to play at such a table for a number of reasons and pray for cards as Daniel played so wild.I have ideas on how I would play him (shortstack style or seek to more agressively gamble and double up twice) but really would consider the buy in a very cheap fee for the poker lesson. Obviously, you DO NOT want to play in this game too long because Daniel's large buy in will just eventually destroy you.I watched Gavin Smith when he played like this at a $1/2 NL table at Borgata. Initially, some people were a bit stunned with his antics, but he quickly won over the table. I have no doubt this occured with Daniel as well. Of course, Gavin was also hemmoraging money and there was a $300 max. (Gavin always had $300 in front of him)You weren't even there and you're complaining about it ignorantly. Where this chip is coming from I won't even bother to decipher. I put this in the category of people who complain about online poker. This would be a much better thread if it discussed how one should play at that table or if one should. Instead, it is a complaint about what I consider one of DN's better blog entries recently -- but that isn't saying much considering the lack of poker content lately!

Wow!Well let's see first off Larry, I won a satellite so I didn't waste any money and the $10k seat was non-negotiable so if I didn't play it, it would have been wasted. Furthermore you assume I was dead money, well maybe, but I played for 12 hours with 4 different pro's 3 of which made the final 18, and 2 of which made the final table and during that time none of them ever hurt my stack. I came in 85th out 225 out lasting many notable pros. I am NOT claiming this makes me better or even as good as them, however I went out with pocket queens against ace, ten suited and made an excellent showing in my first event.You are commenting about me being dead money and you didn't even bother to watch any of my play despite being on the premises yet you can talk about me like you know me. Pretty poor reporting if you ask me.As a reporter you should get your facts straight before posting.I have no chip nor any axe to grind with Daniel or anyone else. Larry be a good reporter and read the entire thread very carefully before shooting off an uninformed opinion.

[Fphillips 0]

He doesn't miss a chance to mention he won entry into the USPC

Ever...not once. Strange how he usually fails to mention how he finished.

He has found the higher power now that he has played in a big tourney.Refer to my signature. I have found this to be true in most cases.I said most cases.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I don't see how what DN bought into that game with is an issue. If he bought in with 15k he would still most likely have the game covered and it would be the same thing.To say DN even played badly would be a mistake if you concluded that just from reading his blog. He built a reckless image and then got paid off when he was holding the nuts. That whole "hes a pro" thing is a terrible argument. When people from pokerstars jump down to 25 nl from their normal 2000 nl game and start going all in every hand and rebuying so they're sitting with 1.5k everyone thinks its great. How is this any different?

[fuzzyD 0]

$125k.......$125million.....one.....billion....dollars....doesn't matter.Donkey play is donkey play, and all in is all in -- tighten up and nail him, that's all there is to it.I for one would welcome that big foolish stack to my table (unless I was playing with scared money, which I shouldn't be doing anyway and if I am he may be helping speed my descent to rock bottom before I decide I need serious help with my addiction).

[majorleag 0]

Majorleag, you freaking idiotMajorleag, just leave, this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So because I have an opinion that you do not agree with I am an idiot?I should no longer post because you disagree with my opinion?The response you gave sir, is precisely why many people are intimidated and do not want to post.It is a pretty sad day when people have to resort to petty name calling when they don't agree.Even my nine year old knows better then that.I for one will not reciprocate by bashing you. You are entitled to your opinion even if you have to resort to name calling to make it.

[keith crime 8]

So lets put all this into context - its been pretty much been said beforeI'm sitting at a 5- 10 table with 2k in front of meDaniel sits down with a gazzilion chipsI can 1. leave or 2. Sit there and laugh my ass off at his silliness until I get Aces or Kings and then get him to call my all in when I'm an 80% favoritereally last time i checked there isnt any bet in the history of vegas that good.

[ffishh 0]

There is no comparison between him betting $75k at a $5 10 game and me betting $100 at a .25 .50 game.  NONE.

yes there is. It is a perfect comparison.

Plus again I am talking about who he is and the fact that he is not a regular guy that is anonymous that nobody knows.  He has a different responsiblity than you or I, in my opinion.

maybe you should go to work for the wynn and be in charge of human resources and make sure that he is not allowed to raise 75000 at the 5-10 game when his contract comes up.

Are you telling me that their were no higher limits that he would have been more appropriate for him to play at, at his home casino?

maybe you should read his blog one more time.

Or he couldn't sit at that $5 10 table and play a strong aggressive but good technical game without showboating, and showboating is exactly what he did?

play poker is exactly what he did. he won 4 grand. he did not shoot angles, he played poker. simple.

Don't come back over the top and tell me he was just making money, blah, blah blah like we all would.  

he made money.

He doesn't need $2-3k.

perhaps you should apply for the position of Daniel Negreanu's financial advisor if the wynn gig doesnt work out.

He would have done much more for The Wynn if he sat down and played a good strong game without the grandstanding, in my opinion.

it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. but its edited. unnecessary and uncalled for. sorry.ffishh

[AceyDeucy 0]

major,I get what you are saying. I know it is frustrating to sit at a table for a few hours, build a table image and a stack, get familiar with nine strangers and how they play, and then have one lunatic with more chips than sense wreck it all for you.All that said, you really do have a bug up your butt about it.No one has any right to tell anyone else how to spend their money or play their cards. It's that simple. Now that said, there IS the angle about "does the Wynn want their poker ambassador to act like this?" Well, I think it comes down to how Daniel conducts himself at the table. If he is acting like Minneapolis Jim Meehan on Ultimate Poker Challenge (drunk off his donkey and abusing the people) then obviously not. But Daniel has long shown that he is at worst a gentleman, at best the life of the party at a table. And I think we also know that if he was down 10k when his wife calle,d he gets up and leaves that 10K at the table, just the same as he takes any profit. I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to expect him to say "well, I am up 2K, here's a stack of black for the table. Spread it around dealer!"While I agree that I would be happier if sat with 5K and played like everyone else, inasmuch as I would feel some ability to rate myself agaisnt him, I don't think that what he did was wrong, even though I can see how people could be annoyed by that. And I do understand that he is trivializing amounts of money that are NOT trivial to other people, but it is not his job to make sure that people are not gambling with their case money, either.

[Timdog1010 0]

[it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. but its stupid.ffishhFor such a long post, this added very little to the discussion...

[keith crime 8]

He would have done much more for The Wynn if he sat down and played a good strong game without the grandstanding, in my opinion.

let me get this straight he won 4 k acting like an assand you'd rather he sat down with 10k and cut that game up for 50k which he could do in his sleep?

[benhoug 0]

I think the key here is what Ron said...if it wasn't DN, but just some maniac throwing around tons of chips without really trying...we would all be jumping at the chance to play with him.  As long as nobody at the table complained, I think it sounded like fun.

Does anyone remember about 2 or 3 weeks ago when someone posted a story about some dude w/ a huge goiter on his neck who sat down at the $2/5 NL game at the Wynn w/ $10,000 and played exactly like DN did? In that thread I'm pretty sure the consensus was I'd love to sit at the table w/ that guy and let him dump off all his money to me.I don't see what the difference is in the two situations. The fact that DN sat w/ $125 K doesn't really matter, as in both situations they had the table covered, sitting w/ grossly too much BR for the game they were playing.I'm just saying I don't think it would bug me too much if someone w/ money to burn tried to money-whip me. Just because it's DN and not some guy w/ a goiter should have no impact on the situation whatsoever.

[Razor 0]

Major, I beg to differ.  I never sit down at the poker table with money I'm not prepared to lose.   I obviously don't want to lose it, but if I do, it isn't the end of my world.  Another way to view this would be to look at the first hand he talked about.  That guy made 2800 in two minutes.   Take the good with the bad.   If he is playing reckless, that is his perogative.  He is there to take their money and they are there to take his.   Free will bubba, you don't like the table, get up and sit at another one.  Wait for premium hands and go all in and let the cards fall where they may.    If it wasn't DN but some crazy "nutcase" playing, you would call the game juicy and be dying to sit down.  Give him  a break.  He is just a poker player looking for a game.  Don't hate on him for having cash to blow.  If you had that cash, wouldn't you enjoy doing the same thing he did?  I would.

Again with all due respect, I am not sure that some of you have read my entire original post in its full context.I have NO issue with him playing whereever he wants at what ever level he wants.He has a choice to play at $5-10 on up to the sky's the limit.The others DO NOT necessarily have that same choice. That is the point, that they may not be able to move easily.I can assure you that if I had the kind of money he has I would NOT go to a $5-10 table and start playing as he has.You cannot compare you, me or some other rich guy. He is a paid ambassador for The Wynn casino so he needs to act a little differently than you or I.Even if he were not doing this in his home casino it still would do nothing for his reputation, the reputation of other pro's and or the game of poker.That was my point.So let me reframe the question:Can anyone tell me how Daniel's behavior as he himself has posted can possibly be good and beneficial for the game of poker?For just a moment forget everything else and just concentrate and focus on answering the question in bold.

First off, you HAVE to be either the worst, or most ignorant poker player in the fucking world. Do you not understand the game??? A rich player like DN, throwing money around is exactly what you want at your table. Just because you can't sit there and limp all day and check it down until you make the absolute nuts (which, from your post, I am sure is how you play) doesn't make it a bad table. But i'm sure, if a guy sat down with 5k and went all in everyhand, and got lucky you'd be just as pissed, because he was ruining your game ONE benefit to the game, that comes out of a player doing what DN did, is that it makes the table, and the game FUN. If I was sitting at that table, I'd be getting drunk, and laughing my ass off every time he bluffed a pot off of some weak ass douche. Remember, he's doing this because he can afford and EXPECTS to lose money. Who do you think benefits from this???? DN or the other players????? Man you're dumb. Just sit there, enjoy the company of a professional, and wait until the cards come. You obviously have to tighten up your game, just don't go in with a starting hand that you're not willing to go all-in with. You might have to wait an hour for that hand, but more times that not, you're gonna double up on that one hand.

[Petoria 0]

Majorleag, you freaking idiotMajorleag, just leave, this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So because I have an opinion that you do not agree with I am an idiot?I should no longer post because you disagree with my opinion?The response you gave sir, is precisely why many people are intimidated and do not want to post.It is a pretty sad day when people have to resort to petty name calling when they don't agree.Even my nine year old knows better then that.I for one will not reciprocate by bashing you. You are entitled to your opinion even if you have to resort to name calling to make it.

Fine, just explain to me again, why you wouldnt want someone donking around at your table. Because I've always thought donks were +EV, am I wrong? Do we want good players, or maniacs? Which is better for the bankroll?Don't even get me started with a variance argument though, bc +EV is +EV no matter which way you slice it.

[majorleag 0]

He doesn't miss a chance to mention he won entry into the USPC

Ever...not once. Strange how he usually fails to mention how he finished.

Not that it has anything to do with the topic at hand, but since you asked:85th out of 225, going out with the best hand pre-flop with Queens, against Ace, Ten off-suit with a guy making what I believe is a questionable call since my all in represented about 1/3rd his stack.Mind you I am not calling him a donkey or saying anything derogatory and I shook his and everyone else's hand at the table. Heck even Men "The Master" was surprised I had Queens, as he called my hand as Ace, Seven, which btw I wish I had since the flop came Ace, seven something.But then again I would not have gone all in with Ace, Seven!I am very proud of my accomplishments and feel that had I won that hand I very well might have made the final 18.I outlasted many big name pro's and played for 12 hours plus with 4 pro's and was able to play with them without any of them making any significant damage to my stack.I have never, ever said that I am as good as anyone pro or amateur, however I did play very well and hold my head up high.Not sure what else you want from me? Because I didn't win my first main event makes me a donkey, dead money, a bad guy?Geeze thank god I have a tough skin.

[speedz99 145]

Major, don't sweat it. I see what you're saying, and it comes from the right place. I happen to think you're wrong here, though.And Elkang is a donk.

[Forrest Crunk 0]

Majorleag, you freaking idiotMajorleag, just leave, this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So because I have an opinion that you do not agree with I am an idiot?I should no longer post because you disagree with my opinion?The response you gave sir, is precisely why many people are intimidated and do not want to post.It is a pretty sad day when people have to resort to petty name calling when they don't agree.Even my nine year old knows better then that.I for one will not reciprocate by bashing you. You are entitled to your opinion even if you have to resort to name calling to make it.

which is exactly what you are doing when you insinuate that people are "sheep" because they disagree with you.

[potpumper43 0]

From DN's description it sounds like he wouldve had the same results buying in for say 5-10K chips (sounds like that wouldve had everyone covered). Would that figure have changed your opinion? The dynamics would have been the same because if he lost the 5-10 K he could go back to his pocket as many times as he liked.Also. your comparison to the betting in a .25-.50 table is not valid here. I have played at $10 NL tables and won up to a $100 stack before. The blinds in this game are a dime. I'm not allowed to go all in now that I have a huge chip advantage?

[Petoria 0]

Do we need to start a petition to ban majorleag?(s/w) :-) :-) :-)

[missIdaho 1]

I started reading this thread before I read the blog, so when I finally read it I was expecting something really bad. Instead it was just a story of DN sitting down to play cards in the lower limits. What's the big deal? I see people begging him everyday on thi site to play in the lower limits with them. He finally does it and people complain :roll: No one was forced to play with him. They had every right to get up and leave the table. Instead they chose to stay and probably had a great time. In fact they are probably bragging to everyone they know that they got to play with Daniel.If threads like this keep popping up Daniel there is no chance any of us will ever get the opportunity to play with him. So let's try to be careful what we say.

[GamblinLeaf 0]

I'm missing something. Was there a group of well-armed individuals forcing people to sit at Daniel's table? Was Wynn security keeping people from getting up and leaving? Just wondering ...

[memphis-sc 0]

majorleag-i completely agree with you on this one. it was a bush-league move on daniels part to rub in others faces his wealth at the poker table, and to think that they are "getting a kick out of it", like it is an honor to be raised 10,000K on a 10 dollar rasie by him. I for one would have just left the table, and tried to move elsewhere, wether it another table or another casino. and i personally think it is a completely different situation than if some donk who a ton a money sat down and played this way, simply because daniel is a high profile pro who wasnt taking it seriously.

[majorleag 0]

First off, you HAVE to be either the worst, or most ignorant poker player in the fucking world.  Do you not understand the game??? Man you're dumb

Sigh!I am going to lunch.Yes I am the worst and most ignorant player in the world! Is there a prize for that?I am dumb for voicing my opinion? Yes I guess I am.

[Petoria 0]

majorleag-i completely agree with you on this one.  it was a bush-league move on daniels part to rub in others faces his wealth at the poker table, and to think that they are "getting a kick out of it", like it is an honor to be raised 10,000K on a 10 dollar rasie by him.  I for one would have just left the table, and tried to move elsewhere, wether it another table or another casino.    and i personally think it is a completely different situation than if some donk who a ton a money sat down and played this way, simply because daniel is a high profile pro who wasnt taking it seriously.

Explain to me how this is any different from a billionaire donk sitting at your table.