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OH MY GOD, THE ANGELS JUST GOT SCREWED!!!THE HOME PLATE UMPIRE CALLED HIM OUT, AND THEN LET HIM ADVANCE TO FIRST ANYWAYS............WOW, WHAT A HORRIBLE CALL, AS IT IS LITERALLY AGAINST THE RULES TO CALL A BATTER OUT IN THAT SITUATION AND THEN LET HIM RUN TO FIRST.......THE WHITE SOX JUST GOT RIDICULOUSLY LUCKY.

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My freakin cable is out, so I have no tv right now! :club:
alright, I will explain the best I can, as I was only half paying attention, but I think I got it.Two outs, bottom of 9th, 1-1 score, noone on base, A.J. Pierzynski swings at strike three, the catcher CLEARLY catches the ball just off the ground, and then flips it to the mound as the Angels leave the field. The home-plate umpire CALLS THE BATTER OUT, but A.J. starts to run to 1st anyways (dropped 3rd strike rule...), and THE UMPIRES ALLOW HIM TO RUN TO 1ST BASE AND SAY THAT HE IS SAFE, AS THE UMPIRE NOW SAYS THE BALL HIT THE GROUND. AN ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS CALL. After that, the ChiSox proceeded to win the game...next batter.It was a bad call, but the reason it is SOOO bad is b/c the ump. called A.J. out, clear as day, and then overturned himself two seconds later, which is against the rules, you can't call someone out in that situation and then change it. No exceptions.
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and now the ESPN analysts are trying to say that the umpire's OUT call only meant strike three, and not out. That is flat out BULLSHIT...it was an out call, the umpire doesn't make that call unless the runner is out....no other way to look at it, god the media makes me sick...and the ChiSox player saying "we took advantage of their (the Angels) mistakes" is just ridiculous...

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Here is how I see it...Yes, bad call, but...Mark Buehrle would have just pitched in the 10th too and shut down the Angels, then Joe Crede being the stud that he is would have hit a walk-off in the bottom of the tenth. So, calling him out and letting it go to the tenth would have just been delaying the innevitable.I win.

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Here is how I see it...Yes, bad call, but...Mark Buehrle would have just pitched in the 10th too and shut down the Angels, then Joe Crede being the stud that he is would have hit a walk-off in the bottom of the tenth. So, calling him out and letting it go to the tenth would have just been delaying the innevitable.I win.
Your point is irrelevant to the thread, as noone is saying the Angels would have won the game for sure. Just saying the umpires clearly awarded the ChiSox another out in the inning. That is all.
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Here is how I see it...Yes, bad call, but...Mark Buehrle would have just pitched in the 10th too and shut down the Angels, then Joe Crede being the stud that he is would have hit a walk-off in the bottom of the tenth. So, calling him out and letting it go to the tenth would have just been delaying the innevitable.I win.
Your point is irrelevant to the thread, as noone is saying the Angels would have won the game for sure. Just saying the umpires clearly awarded the ChiSox another out in the inning. That is all.
You know I wasn't being serious, right?
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Here is how I see it...Yes, bad call, but...Mark Buehrle would have just pitched in the 10th too and shut down the Angels, then Joe Crede being the stud that he is would have hit a walk-off in the bottom of the tenth. So, calling him out and letting it go to the tenth would have just been delaying the innevitable.I win.
Your point is irrelevant to the thread, as noone is saying the Angels would have won the game for sure. Just saying the umpires clearly awarded the ChiSox another out in the inning. That is all.
You know I wasn't being serious, right?
No, I didn't. Sorry, too used to ignorant people who would seriously mean what you said. My bad. You fooled meOWNED!!!! ZING!!!!!(to myself, on those two..)
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Here is how I see it...Yes, bad call, but...Mark Buehrle would have just pitched in the 10th too and shut down the Angels, then Joe Crede being the stud that he is would have hit a walk-off in the bottom of the tenth. So, calling him out and letting it go to the tenth would have just been delaying the innevitable.I win.
Your point is irrelevant to the thread, as noone is saying the Angels would have won the game for sure. Just saying the umpires clearly awarded the ChiSox another out in the inning. That is all.
You know I wasn't being serious, right?
No, I didn't. Sorry, too used to ignorant people who would seriously mean what you said. My bad. You fooled meOWNED!!!! ZING!!!!!(to myself, on those two..)
OH GOD I JUST PWNED YOU!!!!!!!!!
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Somebody on SOSH made the point that Soscia should have just pulled his team off the field, as the third out had clearly been called with a fist pump by the home plate umpire. Obviously at the time Soscia figured they could just get one more out and end the inning, but he really would have been justified in taking his team off the field.The home plate ump is now on tv saying that the arm swing signals no contact, and the fist pump signals a strike. This is true, but as can be seen by earlier replays, on strike three he always makes the fist pump just ONCE. If his fist pump on strike three means strike and not out, he should make it twice to signal an out. He does't, he always makes it just once. Maybe he should think about getting a different signal for strike. Kind of a moot point though, since he so clearly will be fired.He's also saying that upon seeing replays, it's inconclusive if the ball was caught, and that it appears it changed direction from hitting the dirt. I don't see how MLB can keep an umpire on staff who is clearly prone to hallucinations.

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Maybe he should think about getting a different signal for strike. Kind of a moot point though, since he so clearly will be fired.He's also saying that upon seeing replays, it's inconclusive if the ball was caught, and that it appears it changed direction from hitting the dirt. I don't see how MLB can keep an umpire on staff who is clearly prone to hallucinations.
I'd be surprised if he got fired. He totally blew it, but it isn't easy getting rid of an ump...unless they all quit.It was definitely caught. If not, the catcher would have tagged AJ. No question.
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Maybe he should think about getting a different signal for strike. Kind of a moot point though, since he so clearly will be fired.He's also saying that upon seeing replays, it's inconclusive if the ball was caught, and that it appears it changed direction from hitting the dirt. I don't see how MLB can keep an umpire on staff who is clearly prone to hallucinations.
I'd be surprised if he got fired. He totally blew it, but it isn't easy getting rid of an ump...unless they all quit.It was definitely caught. If not, the catcher would have tagged AJ. No question.
Yes, I suppose he is probably tenured or something. He had better at least change his strike signal to something that makes sense, like pointing his finger AS NEARLY EVERY OTHER UMP DOES. Seriously, home plate umpires have three important signs: strike, safe, and out. Wouldn't you think they would all be different??? Really unbelievable that his defense is that his strike sign is pumping his fist. This is the sign for an out, not a strike. Here's the best analogy I can come up with: With two outs the right fielder makes a diving catch. The umpire pumps his fist, and the fielder tosses the ball into the stands as the team leaves the field. But the ump awards the batter second base. His rationale? Pumping his fist signals that the ball was trapped, not caught, so it's a hit.
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That play was nuts. I was at work, but saw the play. A.J. strikes out, inning over, then you see him running. You can't blame the Angels catcher, once the ump CLEARLY signals "out", obviously he's not thinking about throwing to first base, half his teammates are almost to the dugout.What I didn't hear about happening and I think would have made sense, is why didn't the Angels play the game under protest after that??All I know is when I heard the Sux won, I wanted to puke. I just hope that ump is at least done for the series.Gotta figure the Angels aren't in bad shape. 1-1, heading back to L.A. for 3 home games and A LOT of good karma on their side.A.J. might have pulled off one of the biggest bluffs in playoff history, and the home plate ump decided to fold.

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I lost my 5$ bet. I bet on white sox with a -1 1/2 spread and lost. :club: Just to let you know it was my 2nd time betting on baseball. does anyone know what the 1/2 would mean? a half a point? how does that work?Who does everyone think will win tomorrow< Houson or St. Louis?

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Whats really sad is that ESPN is in bed with MLB, so if anyone saw highlights later that nite, you would have seen SportCenter's Harold Reynolds and Jon Kruk try to make a compelling case for the umpire. They basically ignored the out call, and poured over the replay saying "well, it could have hit the ground, its really a hard call here". Then they try to say that the catcher should have tagged the runner or thrown him out, because a heads-up player plays til the play is over.What a joke.

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I thought Kruk was argueing more on the Angels side of it, while Renyolds was leaning toward the Ump's side of things. But I didn't hear that much of it before I got bored of hearing about it and flipped over to something worthwhile. Adult Swim > MLB

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