angels got jewnied

[Stylin_Fish 0]

Look at the topic.Even Crede knew they got lucky when the guy asked him "did you think the play was over?"Crede, "uh."

[KowboyKoop 0]

Look at the topic.Even Crede knew they got lucky when the guy asked him "did you think the play was over?"Crede, "uh."

you beat me to it, i started a thread too. I can't believe the umpires didn't overturn that call, I mean, the home plate umpire called the batter OUT, that is a binding call, you can't reverse that in the middle of a play like that. That would be like the ump. calling a ball foul, and then changing his mind a few seconds later and letting the runner run the bases.....HORRIBLE call, the Angels must be EXTREMELY pissed right now, I wouldn't be surprised if this got appealed

[Stylin_Fish 0]

He called him out twice. Mike Scioscia is at least acting cool saying "we didn't play well enough to win the game" but still. That was a horrible call. All of the umpires were to pussy to take a stand.

[custom36 5]

I wasn't watching. Were the bases loaded with 1 out left? Could it be appealed and overturned, then?

[Stylin_Fish 0]

I wasn't watching. Were the bases loaded with 1 out left? Could it be appealed and overturned, then?

No.Full count, no one on, 2 outs.

[custom36 5]

I wasn't watching. Were the bases loaded with 1 out left? Could it be appealed and overturned, then?

No.Full count, no one on, 2 outs.

Then, uh, the Angels blew it.

[Oziumrules 0]

Umpire Blew it, Angels take it in the as.s, news at 11

[Jadaki 0]

They still only needed to get 1 more batter out even if that call was bad. If they are that good, 1 batter should not have been a problem right?Thier coach is right, you can't expect to get every call, so you have to play well enough to take something not going your way and still come out on top. The series is 1-1, and agnels have more games at home than the white sox do, if they are the better team they should be able to win it even with this loss.

[timwakefield 68]

I wasn't watching. Were the bases loaded with 1 out left? Could it be appealed and overturned, then?

No.Full count, no one on, 2 outs.

Then, uh, the Angels blew it.

Uh, no the umpires blew it. Yes they only needed one more out, but there's no guarentee they'll get it. The point is, THEY ALREADY GOT IT. I think Soscia should have argued harder, asked for an umpire meeting, and yelled and screamed until he got ejected if the call wasn't overturned.

[KowboyKoop 0]

They still only needed to get 1 more batter out even if that call was bad. If they are that good, 1 batter should not have been a problem right?Thier coach is right, you can't expect to get every call, so you have to play well enough to take something not going your way and still come out on top. The series is 1-1, and agnels have more games at home than the white sox do, if they are the better team they should be able to win it even with this loss.

You are flat out wrong on this one. EVERY SINGLE ANGELS PLAYER saw the umpire CALL THE BATTER OUT!!!!! Once that happened, the players all ran off the field, thinking the inning was over. It is AGAINST THE RULES to call a batter out in that situation and then change your call two seconds later to allow the runner to take first, when the defense is leaving the field. That is just flat out wrong. The umpires not only missed a call (which the Angels can live with), but they made an exception to the rules of baseball to allow the Angels to extend the inning. I think Socsica (sp??) should appeal to MLB, I think he could get that overturned and force them to play out extra innings..

[KowboyKoop 0]

Man, the umpires are speaking on ESPN right now.........they are looking like complete dumba$$es right now. The home plate umpire especially is just digging himself deeper and deeper. Essentially he is saying that he doesn't KNOW if he dropped the ball, and that his OUT sign didn't mean OUT that time, it only meant strike three.....BULL$HIT!!!!

[Jadaki 0]

His first motion was waving his hand to his right, not the symbol for a strike. He didn't make the strike motion until the hitter started running. And from some of the close up replays I have seen, it looks like he trapped the ball.Doesn't matter now, games over, so stop crying over it already.

[timwakefield 68]

Also important is the fact that THE CATCHER DIDN'T DROP THE BALL.

[KowboyKoop 0]

His first motion was waving his hand to his right, not the symbol for a strike. He didn't make the strike motion until the hitter started running. And from some of the close up replays I have seen, it looks like he trapped the ball.Doesn't matter now, games over, so stop crying over it already.

The first symbol is the sign for "swing and miss" when he is in doubt whether the catcher caught the ball. This is fine, it DOES NOT mean he is out. YET, DIRECTLY AFTER THIS, HE CLEARLY GIVES THE "OUT" SIGN, MEANING THE BATTER IS OUT AND THE PLAY IS DEAD. THIS IS A UNIVERSAL SIGN AND NOT UP FOR ARGUMENT, DESPITE THE UMPIRE'S BEST TRY TO "BEND THE INTERPRETATION" DURING THEIR PRESS CONFERENCE. Flat out, he called A.J. OUT, and then took it back when A.J. started running and the defense was already halfway off the field. This is not allowed, simple as that. Against the rules. Not allowed. Simple as that. This is going to be EXTREMELY controversial....Also, if you think the ball was trapped, then you are in EXTREME denial, as it is as clear as day that the ball was caught. No doubt about it. They already confirmed this, as they blew up the replay shot and looked at it, and every single person agreed that it was caught. No doubt about it. Yet, even if (theoretically), the ball was trapped, it doesn't matter, because A.J. was called out. You can't be called out and then have that overturned when the defense is walking off the field. You have never been more wrong about anything in your life. I am not getting worked up about this because I hate the ChiSox of love the Angels or anything (though I am rooting for L.A.A.), but because this is a BLATANT bending of the rules in favor of Chicago, the team that MLB would love to have in the World Series, moreso than the Angels.

[timwakefield 68]

I said it before and I'll say it again: Soscia really should have argued until he was ejected. The ump made a mistake I have never seen: he made the correct call motioning the batter out, then allowed him to run to first and called him safe! It's similar to a situation where a runner is called out at first on a ground ball, but the ump lets him have the base anyways cuz he ran so damn hard for it.

[KowboyKoop 0]

I said it before and I'll say it again: Soscia really should have argued until he was ejected. The ump made a mistake I have never seen: he made the correct call motioning the batter out, then allowed him to run to first and called him safe! It's similar to a situation where a runner is called out at first on a ground ball, but the ump lets him have the base anyways cuz he ran so damn hard for it.

A more realistic parallel to what happened is this. If a ball were hit down the third base line, which the Home umpire rules foul. After making this call, the runner doesn't hear that call, keeps running, and gets to second third base because the defense didn't bother to go after the ball. Once the runner gets to third, the umpire allows the batter to be safe, saying he really wasn't sure if it was foul or not, so, he is letting the play stand. Pretty much the exact same thing just happened.

[Oziumrules 0]

The Curse of the Ump!

[Jadaki 0]

The first symbol is the sign for "swing and miss" when he is in doubt whether the catcher caught the ball. This is fine, it DOES NOT mean he is out. YET, DIRECTLY AFTER THIS, HE CLEARLY GIVES THE "OUT" SIGN, MEANING THE BATTER IS OUT AND THE PLAY IS DEAD. THIS IS A UNIVERSAL SIGN AND NOT UP FOR ARGUMENT, DESPITE THE UMPIRE'S BEST TRY TO "BEND THE INTERPRETATION" DURING THEIR PRESS CONFERENCE. blah blah blah.. EXTREMELY controversial....blah blah blah EXTREME denialYou have never been more wrong about anything in your life. I am not getting worked up about this because I hate the ChiSox of love the Angels or anything (though I am rooting for L.A.A.), but because this is a BLATANT bending of the rules in favor of Chicago, the team that MLB would love to have in the World Series, moreso than the Angels.

Just to let you know, when you type in all caps god kills small puppies...Save the puppies, stop screaming on a internet forum!Seriously, get off the conspiracy bandwagon. It's funny watching you say that your not getting worked up about it when you admit to cheering for the Angels. If MLB wanted the White Sox in the WS so bad, don't you think they could have pulled it off before this? They have only had what... 90ish years to do it, but I am sure that this was the year they had it all planned out. The Sox only swept the defending champs, but those home runs and solid pitching were not real, it was done by CGI and transmitted to the rest of the world from a green room in Hollywood.

[BilliardsBoy 0]

Poor puppies.I don't think its a conspiracy to get the Sox to win, but it damn sure is a cover up of a really bad call. If this series gets to a game 7, you HAVE TO look back to this play as being a deciding factor.But hey, we get one of these little baseball gems every year it seems. Remember when the Yanks couldn't win unless that kid helped them in the outfield, or that guy who all by himself eliminated the Cubs even tho there was one more game left to play.Like he said, it's in the past and they can't do anything about it now. I agree that the coach should have been out there ranting and raving till he got ejected purely to make a political statement to the league.

[Jadaki 0]

If the sox win the series in less than 7 games this becomes a dead issue. Guess we wait and see.

[Forrest Crunk 0]

If the sox win the series in less than 7 games this becomes a dead issue.  Guess we wait and see.

yep.it's funny to listen to the Angel fans cry, its always somebody else's fault, if they would have lost game 1 they would have been crying about MLB's scheduling as well

[custom36 5]

No, really, the Angels blew it. Stop making excuses.

[KowboyKoop 0]

The first symbol is the sign for "swing and miss" when he is in doubt whether the catcher caught the ball. This is fine, it DOES NOT mean he is out. YET, DIRECTLY AFTER THIS, HE CLEARLY GIVES THE "OUT" SIGN, MEANING THE BATTER IS OUT AND THE PLAY IS DEAD. THIS IS A UNIVERSAL SIGN AND NOT UP FOR ARGUMENT, DESPITE THE UMPIRE'S BEST TRY TO "BEND THE INTERPRETATION" DURING THEIR PRESS CONFERENCE. blah blah blah.. EXTREMELY controversial....blah blah blah EXTREME denialYou have never been more wrong about anything in your life. I am not getting worked up about this because I hate the ChiSox of love the Angels or anything (though I am rooting for L.A.A.), but because this is a BLATANT bending of the rules in favor of Chicago, the team that MLB would love to have in the World Series, moreso than the Angels.

Just to let you know, when you type in all caps god kills small puppies...Save the puppies, stop screaming on a internet forum!Seriously, get off the conspiracy bandwagon. It's funny watching you say that your not getting worked up about it when you admit to cheering for the Angels. If MLB wanted the White Sox in the WS so bad, don't you think they could have pulled it off before this? They have only had what... 90ish years to do it, but I am sure that this was the year they had it all planned out. The Sox only swept the defending champs, but those home runs and solid pitching were not real, it was done by CGI and transmitted to the rest of the world from a green room in Hollywood.

I am NOT saying there is a conspiracy. I am saying that these types of bending the rules is going to make some people think that way, that is all. My bad for not making that more clear, I just feel that just a blatant bending of the rules is going to make it seem that one team (the chisox) are being favored over another. That is all. I don't think there is a conspiracy. Also, I am worked up about it, because it was such a blatant breaking of the rules to allow the ChiSox to continue to bat in the inning, not because I am rooting for the Angels. I am fine with a 1-1 split for the first two games, and it isn't like that one call lost the game for the Angels, it would have still been tied. I am just worked up b/c the umpire changed his out call to "no-out" in the middle of the play, something you simply can not do.

[KowboyKoop 0]

If the sox win the series in less than 7 games this becomes a dead issue. Guess we wait and see.

yep.it's funny to listen to the Angel fans cry, its always somebody else's fault, if they would have lost game 1 they would have been crying about MLB's scheduling as well

If this would have happened to the ChiSox, you would be going absolutely nuts. It sucks that your team needs to catch these kind of breaks just to SPLIT with the Angels AT HOME. W-H-A-M-M-Y......