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[KowboyKoop 0]

His fielding percentage is decent, but how about his Zone Rating, which is a pretty important stat. for 3B....OOPS, 2nd to last among regular 3B in the league. Sooo...that basically means that he can field the routine grounders just fine, but can't make that many "tough" players, compared to everyone else in the league. So, yeah, good job, the 20 million dollar man can field a routine ground ball. Congrats.

Didn't he just start playing 3rd base? I seem to recall him being a shortstop before going to NY. And apparently fielding a ground ball is something Ortiz can't do, or maybe his fat ass could waddle out to 3rd base and show Arod how. It's not hard to be next to last in the league right? I bet Ortiz is just missing out on a collection of gold gloves.

Did I ever say Ortiz was a better fielder than A-ROD???? No. Man, I am the one who is simply presenting facts and my beliefs, if you can't handle that, then that is your problem. Anyways. My point was that he is not THE BEST 3B in the league, like the media wants everyone to believe. He is an average one at best. Yes, he fields the routine grounder just fine, good for him, but his range is not that good (as I have proven through statistical fact).Also, don't tell me that him switching from SS to 3B is soooo tough of an adjustment. Yes, it is different, but it is still a ground ball. And he had a full year under his belt, so...moot point.

[Jadaki 0]

Anyone that actually plays baseball would disagree with you that moving from shortstop to 3rd base is easy. A lot of players have problems pulling off that type of transition at all. Even Cal Ripken had problems with it.I don't think he is the best defensive 3rd baseman in the league, not even close. But calling him a choke artist in the playoffs is way overboard.

[KowboyKoop 0]

Anyone that actually plays baseball would disagree with you that moving from shortstop to 3rd base is easy. A lot of players have problems pulling off that type of transition at all. Even Cal Ripken had problems with it.I don't think he is the best defensive 3rd baseman in the league, not even close. But calling him a choke artist in the playoffs is way overboard.

There is adjustment necessary, I know, I played baseball and made the same position adjustment. However, it isn't SO tough that a MLB veteran needs two years to get the hang of it. Cal had problems with it because he made the move when he was getting old. A-Rod is not old. Also, yes, calling him a choke artist in the playoffs in fine, because he has choked every time he has had a chance to do something in the playoffs. CHOKE ARTIST.

[Jadaki 0]

Some of the best players in baseball are over 40, age is nothing but a number. And of course I should have known you just happened to play shortstop and moved to 3rd base, it makes your pathetic arguement sound like it has more weight. I am sure Alex is busy choking right now... on his bank account. I'm done responding to this thread, have a nice day.

[digitalmonkey 929]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers. Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument. Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell FLA .983C. Jones ATL .980H. Blalock TEX .973B. Mueller BOS .972J. Crede CWS .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod. It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him? That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

[scottyno 0]

i don't know all the numbers to back it up, but from everything I've ever read, Jeter's range factor is actually one of the worst among shortstops in baseball, so that sort of shoots down your "advanced thinking" regarding Arod's limited rangei could only find old data, but heres what i found in an old article, if someone could find more recent data that woudl be greatJeter's range factor among shortstops that started at least 100 games1996: 2o of 241997: 16 of 241998: 23 of 251999: 21 of 212000: 23 of 23as I said, this is old data, but I find it hard to believe his range would greatly increase as he gets older

[KowboyKoop 0]

i don't know all the numbers to back it up, but from everything I've ever read, Jeter's range factor is actually one of the worst among shortstops in baseball, so that sort of shoots down your "advanced thinking" regarding Arod's limited rangei could only find old data, but heres what i found in an old article, if someone could find more recent data that woudl be greatJeter's range factor among shortstops that started at least 100 games1996: 2o of 241997: 16 of 241998: 23 of 251999: 21 of 212000: 23 of 23as I said, this is old data, but I find it hard to believe his range would greatly increase as he gets older

This does not shoot down my point, it enhances it, because Jeter is NOT regarded as a top DEFENSIVE shortstop. He is a great player, but he doesn't have the range or the arm of, say, Rafeal Furcal, and other good shortstops. He is a GREAT player, in terms of all-around player, but he is not thought of as one of the top defensive shortstops in baseball.

[digitalmonkey 929]

i don't know all the numbers to back it up, but from everything I've ever read, Jeter's range factor is actually one of the worst among shortstops in baseball, so that sort of shoots down your "advanced thinking" regarding Arod's limited rangei could only find old data, but heres what i found in an old article, if someone could find more recent data that woudl be greatJeter's range factor among shortstops that started at least 100 games1996: 2o of 241997: 16 of 241998: 23 of 251999: 21 of 212000: 23 of 23as I said, this is old data, but I find it hard to believe his range would greatly increase as he gets older

This does not shoot down my point, it enhances it, because Jeter is NOT regarded as a top DEFENSIVE shortstop. He is a great player, but he doesn't have the range or the arm of, say, Rafeal Furcal, and other good shortstops. He is a GREAT player, in terms of all-around player, but he is not thought of as one of the top defensive shortstops in baseball.

[KowboyKoop 0]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers.  Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument.  Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell  FLA  .983C. Jones  ATL  .980H. Blalock  TEX  .973B. Mueller  BOS  .972J. Crede  CWS  .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod.  It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him?  That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

Uhhhh, I am talking about A-Rod's DEFENSIVE PLAY and his play IN THE POSTSEASON. His offensive numbers in the postseason, and especially in big-pressure situations, are far below the numbers you would expect from "the best player in baseball." Thus, he has choked in the postseason. Also, my points about A-Rod not being a good DEFENSIVE 3B has absolutely nothing to do with offensive numbers....so...I don't know what you are talking about. Also, I already addressed the fact that A-Rod's fielding percentage is fine, thus, he can make the routine plays. However, his Zone Rating is poor, meaning he has limited range and doesn't make the "great" play as much as other players. Thus, he is not one of the best defensive 3B in the MLB. Simple logic.Yes, of course he is a better player than just about every player in the league. At no point did I deny this. However, my argument that his defense is not the best in the league and that he folds in the postseason have not been proven wrong. You guys are trying to twist my arguments around to make me look foolish, yet you are failing miserably.

[KowboyKoop 0]

i don't know all the numbers to back it up, but from everything I've ever read, Jeter's range factor is actually one of the worst among shortstops in baseball, so that sort of shoots down your "advanced thinking" regarding Arod's limited rangei could only find old data, but heres what i found in an old article, if someone could find more recent data that woudl be greatJeter's range factor among shortstops that started at least 100 games1996: 2o of 241997: 16 of 241998: 23 of 251999: 21 of 212000: 23 of 23as I said, this is old data, but I find it hard to believe his range would greatly increase as he gets older

This does not shoot down my point, it enhances it, because Jeter is NOT regarded as a top DEFENSIVE shortstop. He is a great player, but he doesn't have the range or the arm of, say, Rafeal Furcal, and other good shortstops. He is a GREAT player, in terms of all-around player, but he is not thought of as one of the top defensive shortstops in baseball.

SO...I take your lack of argument as an admission that I was right. Jeter is not considered to be a TOP defensive SS, thus your point is not relevant to my argument. Also, it is clear that noone arguing with me has truly read and comprehended my posts. I never said A-Rod was not the best all-around 3B in the leagur or that he wasn't one of the best overall players in the league. Man, you guys all need to go back and reread this thread if we are gonna continue this argument.

[digitalmonkey 929]

i don't know all the numbers to back it up, but from everything I've ever read, Jeter's range factor is actually one of the worst among shortstops in baseball, so that sort of shoots down your "advanced thinking" regarding Arod's limited rangei could only find old data, but heres what i found in an old article, if someone could find more recent data that woudl be greatJeter's range factor among shortstops that started at least 100 games1996: 2o of 241997: 16 of 241998: 23 of 251999: 21 of 212000: 23 of 23as I said, this is old data, but I find it hard to believe his range would greatly increase as he gets older

This does not shoot down my point, it enhances it, because Jeter is NOT regarded as a top DEFENSIVE shortstop. He is a great player, but he doesn't have the range or the arm of, say, Rafeal Furcal, and other good shortstops. He is a GREAT player, in terms of all-around player, but he is not thought of as one of the top defensive shortstops in baseball.

SO...I take your lack of argument as an admission that I was right. Jeter is not considered to be a TOP defensive SS, thus your point is not relevant to my argument. Also, it is clear that noone arguing with me has truly read and comprehended my posts. I never said A-Rod was not the best all-around 3B in the leagur or that he wasn't one of the best overall players in the league. Man, you guys all need to go back and reread this thread if we are gonna continue this argument.

Nor did I claim he was the "best player in baseball". You need to take your own advice.

[KowboyKoop 0]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers.  Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument.  Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell  FLA  .983C. Jones  ATL  .980H. Blalock  TEX  .973B. Mueller  BOS  .972J. Crede  CWS  .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod.  It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him?  That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

I already responded to this post once, Monkey, but I'll do it again...You say that in my argument I ignore his offensive numbers.....well, this is because we are currently arguing about A-Rod's defense ONLY. Thus, offense has nothing to do with it......earlier, however, we were talking about A-Rod's numbers in the postseason, where he has done nothing to help the Yanks win, thus, your argument is still irrelevant.Next, you bring up Fielding %, which I already addressed by saying that, yes, he can field the routing grounder well (which is what this stat. records), but his Zone Rating is next to last in MLB. Thus, his range and "great playmaking ability" is limited. Thus, he is not one of the top DEFENSIVE 3B in the league...Next, you say that A-Rod has limited range b/c he has Jeter next to him. However, it has already been stated that Jeter doesn't have the best range either...so, I guess that argument just shit all over itself, didn't it??

[digitalmonkey 929]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers.  Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument.  Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell  FLA  .983C. Jones  ATL  .980H. Blalock  TEX  .973B. Mueller  BOS  .972J. Crede  CWS  .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod.  It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him?  That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

I already responded to this post once, Monkey, but I'll do it again...You say that in my argument I ignore his offensive numbers.....well, this is because we are currently arguing about A-Rod's defense ONLY. Thus, offense has nothing to do with it......earlier, however, we were talking about A-Rod's numbers in the postseason, where he has done nothing to help the Yanks win, thus, your argument is still irrelevant.Next, you bring up Fielding %, which I already addressed by saying that, yes, he can field the routing grounder well (which is what this stat. records), but his Zone Rating is next to last in MLB. Thus, his range and "great playmaking ability" is limited. Thus, he is not one of the top DEFENSIVE 3B in the league...Next, you say that A-Rod has limited range b/c he has Jeter next to him. However, it has already been stated that Jeter doesn't have the best range either...so, I guess that argument just shit all over itself, didn't it??

I believe you erroneously mentioned that the majority of A-Rod's home runs come against inferior teams. What does his home run hitting have to do with defense? You don't know what you are trying to say do you? Do you have brown eyes?

[KowboyKoop 0]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers. Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument. Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell FLA .983C. Jones ATL .980H. Blalock TEX .973B. Mueller BOS .972J. Crede CWS .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod. It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him? That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

I already responded to this post once, Monkey, but I'll do it again...You say that in my argument I ignore his offensive numbers.....well, this is because we are currently arguing about A-Rod's defense ONLY. Thus, offense has nothing to do with it......earlier, however, we were talking about A-Rod's numbers in the postseason, where he has done nothing to help the Yanks win, thus, your argument is still irrelevant.Next, you bring up Fielding %, which I already addressed by saying that, yes, he can field the routing grounder well (which is what this stat. records), but his Zone Rating is next to last in MLB. Thus, his range and "great playmaking ability" is limited. Thus, he is not one of the top DEFENSIVE 3B in the league...Next, you say that A-Rod has limited range b/c he has Jeter next to him. However, it has already been stated that Jeter doesn't have the best range either...so, I guess that argument just shit all over itself, didn't it??

I believe you erroneously mentioned that the majority of A-Rod's home runs come against inferior teams. What does his home run hitting have to do with defense? You don't know what you are trying to say do you? Do you have brown eyes?

I mentioned that because of the argument about his numbers in the regular season versus his numbers in the postseason. After that, the argument switched to his DEFENSE. Man, I HIGHLY suggest you go back and read through the thread so you can keep up, as you are constantly applying my posts to the wrong argument. Donk.

[digitalmonkey 929]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers. Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument. Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell FLA .983C. Jones ATL .980H. Blalock TEX .973B. Mueller BOS .972J. Crede CWS .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod. It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him? That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

I already responded to this post once, Monkey, but I'll do it again...You say that in my argument I ignore his offensive numbers.....well, this is because we are currently arguing about A-Rod's defense ONLY. Thus, offense has nothing to do with it......earlier, however, we were talking about A-Rod's numbers in the postseason, where he has done nothing to help the Yanks win, thus, your argument is still irrelevant.Next, you bring up Fielding %, which I already addressed by saying that, yes, he can field the routing grounder well (which is what this stat. records), but his Zone Rating is next to last in MLB. Thus, his range and "great playmaking ability" is limited. Thus, he is not one of the top DEFENSIVE 3B in the league...Next, you say that A-Rod has limited range b/c he has Jeter next to him. However, it has already been stated that Jeter doesn't have the best range either...so, I guess that argument just shit all over itself, didn't it??

I believe you erroneously mentioned that the majority of A-Rod's home runs come against inferior teams. What does his home run hitting have to do with defense? You don't know what you are trying to say do you? Do you have brown eyes?

I mentioned that because of the argument about his numbers in the regular season versus his numbers in the postseason. After that, the argument switched to his DEFENSE. Man, I HIGHLY suggest you go back and read through the thread so you can keep up, as you are constantly applying my posts to the wrong argument. Donk.

It is rather hard to keep up to your argument as it switches constantly. One minute you're arguing that A-Rod is not the best player in baseball because he inflates his numbers against weak teams. Then it's because he chokes. Then it's his defense. Then his range. Why don't you tell us who YOU think is the best player in baseball?

[KowboyKoop 0]

You seem to be basing your assumption as to whether or not A-Rod is or is not the best 3b on his defensive stats, yet you choose to ignore his offensive numbers. Is this because his offensive numbers do not support your argument. Tell me; which teams do you consider to have the best pitching?Ask any GM in baseball which 3B they would want on their team if given the choice.M. Lowell FLA .983C. Jones ATL .980H. Blalock TEX .973B. Mueller BOS .972J. Crede CWS .971It's funny how only 4 3B (with at least 100 GP) in major league baseball have a better fielding % than A-Rod. It seems that stats do NOT support your argument.And as for A-Rod's range...have you ever thought that he has a limited range because he knows Jeter is beside him? That type of thinking is probably too advanced for you...sorry.

I already responded to this post once, Monkey, but I'll do it again...You say that in my argument I ignore his offensive numbers.....well, this is because we are currently arguing about A-Rod's defense ONLY. Thus, offense has nothing to do with it......earlier, however, we were talking about A-Rod's numbers in the postseason, where he has done nothing to help the Yanks win, thus, your argument is still irrelevant.Next, you bring up Fielding %, which I already addressed by saying that, yes, he can field the routing grounder well (which is what this stat. records), but his Zone Rating is next to last in MLB. Thus, his range and "great playmaking ability" is limited. Thus, he is not one of the top DEFENSIVE 3B in the league...Next, you say that A-Rod has limited range b/c he has Jeter next to him. However, it has already been stated that Jeter doesn't have the best range either...so, I guess that argument just shit all over itself, didn't it??

I believe you erroneously mentioned that the majority of A-Rod's home runs come against inferior teams. What does his home run hitting have to do with defense? You don't know what you are trying to say do you? Do you have brown eyes?

I mentioned that because of the argument about his numbers in the regular season versus his numbers in the postseason. After that, the argument switched to his DEFENSE. Man, I HIGHLY suggest you go back and read through the thread so you can keep up, as you are constantly applying my posts to the wrong argument. Donk.

It is rather hard to keep up to your argument as it switches constantly. One minute you're arguing that A-Rod is not the best player in baseball because he inflates his numbers against weak teams. Then it's because he chokes. Then it's his defense. Then his range. Why don't you tell us who YOU think is the best player in baseball?

The thread started as an argument that A-Rod's numbers in the postseason were not good, and his regular season numbers were inflated by him feasting on bad pitching. Then, somehow, the argument switched to his DEFENSE, and has stayed that way for the rest of the thread. Not that hard to figure out what I am talking about if you read the posts.I think the best player in baseball is pretty close between Albert Pujols, Ichiro Suzuki (although his year this year wasn't quite as good as past years so he has dropped a little), and Vladamir Guerrero. If I had to choose, I would say Vlad. because while Al. and Vlad. are both incredible hitters, Vlad's arm in ridiculous, while Albert is a 1B, so he can't display his defense as much. Thus, Vladimir Guerrero is the best player in baseball right now, I think.

[scottyno 0]

KK, Im on your side in this arguement, I posted the jeter numbers to refute the previous guys claim that arods range is bad because he plays next to jeter.Arod is a great player to be sure, theres no denying that, but he isn't a clutch player, and I would rather have Ortiz than him any day

[KowboyKoop 0]

KK, Im on your side in this arguement, I posted the jeter numbers to refute the previous guys claim that arods range is bad because he plays next to jeter.Arod is a great player to be sure, theres no denying that, but he isn't a clutch player, and I would rather have Ortiz than him any day

Alright, cool, I did misunderstand your post for a minute, but I got the motive behind it now. Good to know not everyone just see's that it is me writing the post and automatically jumps to the conclusion that it is a pointless/incorrect argument.

[Jadaki 0]

Thus, Vladimir Guerrero is the best player in baseball right now, I think.

You mean the guy who went 0-4 tonight against the White Sox?Clutch preformance!

[KowboyKoop 0]

Thus, Vladimir Guerrero is the best player in baseball right now, I think.

You mean the guy who went 0-4 tonight against the White Sox?Clutch preformance!

Did I say he was the most clutch player!?!?!? No, I said I believe he is the best all-around player in the league. Obviously, the most clutch player the past couple of years is D. Ortiz.

[Jadaki 0]

Well Arod is paid as much as he is for being a good all around player (like Vlad) right? And you spent a good portion of this thread ripping on him for not being "clutch" which apparently only Arod is supposed to be. I forgot Vlad was a MVP last year, so doesn't that mean he is supposed to be clutch too? Does Vlad make the league minimum.. I don't think so...My point is simple, your double standards are retarded. :roll:

[KowboyKoop 0]

Well Arod is paid as much as he is for being a good all around player (like Vlad) right? And you spent a good portion of this thread ripping on him for not being "clutch" which apparently only Arod is supposed to be. I forgot Vlad was a MVP last year, so doesn't that mean he is supposed to be clutch too? Does Vlad make the league minimum.. I don't think so...My point is simple, your double standards are retarded. :roll:

WHAT DOUBLE STANDARD!?!?!??! I never said VLAD wasn't overpaid. All BIG baseball stars are overpaid, in my opinion. I think Arod is one of the top players in the game, just not the best, like everyone else does, that's all. I think Vlad is a little better, that's all. A-Rod is not good in the postseason, so I say he isn't clutch. I don't know what double standard I have, I never said A-Rod was a "bad" player, just a little overrated. You know I am right, just quit trying to dig yourself out of this hole

[timwakefield 68]

Ass-Rod made $26 mil this season. Vlad made $12.5 mil. Is A-Rod more than twice as good as Vladdy?

[Jadaki 0]

WHAT DOUBLE STANDARD!?!?!??! I never said VLAD wasn't overpaid. All BIG baseball stars are overpaid, in my opinion. I think Arod is one of the top players in the game, just not the best, like everyone else does, that's all. I think Vlad is a little better, that's all. A-Rod is not good in the postseason, so I say he isn't clutch. I don't know what double standard I have, I never said A-Rod was a "bad" player, just a little overrated. You know I am right, just quit trying to dig yourself out of this hole

I don't think Arod is the best, but he is right up there. I enjoy seeing him and his team lose, mostly because I think the Yankees stand for everything that is wrong in baseball. I was just pointing out how you blast a guy for not being clutch in the playoffs (even though he is batting over 300 lifetime in them) and then the guy you say is the best goes 0-4 in an important game and somehow you won't say anything about him not being clutch.Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I just think you are sitting on the little yellow bus and screaming out the window when you make arguements like that against Arod, but can't say the same thing about Vlad. I'm still laughing at your whole feasting on bad pitching thing... genious... seriously.You should consider doing stand up. I would pay to laugh at you, but then again I get to do it for free here.

[KowboyKoop 0]

WHAT DOUBLE STANDARD!?!?!??! I never said VLAD wasn't overpaid. All BIG baseball stars are overpaid, in my opinion. I think Arod is one of the top players in the game, just not the best, like everyone else does, that's all. I think Vlad is a little better, that's all. A-Rod is not good in the postseason, so I say he isn't clutch. I don't know what double standard I have, I never said A-Rod was a "bad" player, just a little overrated. You know I am right, just quit trying to dig yourself out of this hole

I don't think Arod is the best, but he is right up there. I enjoy seeing him and his team lose, mostly because I think the Yankees stand for everything that is wrong in baseball. I was just pointing out how you blast a guy for not being clutch in the playoffs (even though he is batting over 300 lifetime in them) and then the guy you say is the best goes 0-4 in an important game and somehow you won't say anything about him not being clutch.Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I just think you are sitting on the little yellow bus and screaming out the window when you make arguements like that against Arod, but can't say the same thing about Vlad. I'm still laughing at your whole feasting on bad pitching thing... genious... seriously.You should consider doing stand up. I would pay to laugh at you, but then again I get to do it for free here.

A-Rod was brought to NY to get the Yanks to the World Series. He was not brought there to do well against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Yet, in the biggest playoff series, he has been grounding into double plays and making errors and trying to slap the ball out of player's gloves. Also, this thread had nothing to do with Vlad's "clutch" ability, it is about A-Rod's. Yes, Vlad hasn't been very clutch either this postseason, but at no point did I say Vlad was a great clutch player. I said that i think Vlad is better than A-Rod, overall. Neither have been very clutch in their careers. I have never said otherwise. I have never said A-Rod was a bad player, he is one of the best players. I don't know what else there is to say about it, Vlad's team is still in the playoffs, A-Rod's is out.