ChrisOfSpades 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 this hand took place at the end of long session (home game). we were down to four-handed and guys had just started messing around, not really playing too seriously at all. 0.50/1 NLUTG (stack roughly $175) blind raises to $5 before the cards are even dealt (this is what i mean by messin around).button (me - little over $200) - i look down at 55 and call.SB calls (about $45 in chips)BB(also around $200 in chips) announces "what the hell, i'll re-raise blind" and makes it $10 to go.UTG says "cool - i'll cap at $15". (like i said, really messin around)i have a decent hand so i call, and SB also calls.flop ($60): 5 10 4 rainbow.SB bets $1.50 (dont mind him he just doesnt like checkin when he's first to act so he makes min bets)now BB (who still hasn't looked at his hand, says "ok i'll look at one card" he looks at the card and says "thats no good". he looks at his other card, says, "i like this one" and raises to $15. UTG now looks at his hand and folds.now over to me. its painfully obvious BB has top pair. why else would he bet, right? i doubt he was puttin on an act - he rarely does and since we were all just messing around i dont think he would have pretended to dislike his first card and like his second card. so he's got 10 x and decides to bet. now, should i re-raise here or just call and take him along for a ride? Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 i'm sorry, i don't mean offense to you.but, why in the world would you post this??how in the world are we supposed to know his tendencies?this is so monstrously player-dependent that it's not even worth posting.if he's more liable to call off his whole stack right here on the flop then on later streets, when an overcard comes or when he doesn't improve, then raise now.if he's more liable to fold to a raise now and you would rather let him improve or let him keep betting, then just call.on this board, you should know there is no harm in slowplaying if he has 10-x. he is practically drawing dead to you.if you slowplayed and he sucked out, don't complain. it's the perils of slowplaying, but the advantages of slowplaying on this board almost always outweigh the times he hits runner-runner.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in? Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Call. If he does have a 10 and no draws he is near drawing dead. Give SB some time to see how much he likes his hand. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in?hence "player dependent".sorry if i seem bitter, but a lot of NL posts matter so much on reads that it's practically useless posting them here.on the other hand, if you post a question like "is it okay to slowplay 5 5 on a board of 10 5 2 rainbow?" you'll get more concrete answers like "yes, your opponents are most likely drawing dead or to runner runner".aseem Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Call. If he does have a 10 and no draws he is near drawing dead. Give SB some time to see how much he likes his hand.no. not always.not if you're up against a thinking player who knows you are never calling in this spot without a draw or a hand that has 10-x crushed.not if you're up against a player who is more likely to call off his whole stack against a push or a raise here than he is to a smooth-call followed by aggression on the turn.not if you're up against a weak/tight player who thinks top pair is awesome here but who folds 10-x when the turn brings an overcard like a queen and you make a hefty bet.etc.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 I'm still not clear if SB looked at his cards or not. If he has not, I think there is enough value in trying to keep him in the hand to try and just call, whereas two raises would certainly drive out even a relatively loose player. Link to post Share on other sites
GoCryWolfe 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Just a small thing, but how is there a cap in a NL game? Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisOfSpades 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in?hence "player dependent".sorry if i seem bitter, but a lot of NL posts matter so much on reads that it's practically useless posting them here.on the other hand, if you post a question like "is it okay to slowplay 5 5 on a board of 10 5 2 rainbow?" you'll get more concrete answers like "yes, your opponents are most likely drawing dead or to runner runner".aseemyou dont have to apologize for sounding bitter, but that is basically the question i asked. sorry that you couldnt see that. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisOfSpades 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 Just a small thing, but how is there a cap in a NL game?3 raises per round, so the betting was capped at that point. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisOfSpades 0 Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in?- plays top pair fairly well but does occassionally overplay it. - against smooth calls, generally thinks he's up against a draw, setup for a bluff, or another TP.- yeah, i expect him to bet that turn- depends on his kicker. if he has J or higher he'll likely call. and sometimes even w/ less than that. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 This is certainly read dependent as said in earlier posts, but I think I'm probably raising right away. Any card higher than a 10 could kill your action and the villain sounds like he's playing really loose and very well may call a raise here with TP. Link to post Share on other sites
Blink20 0 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Say something like, well I know you only have one good card, there's no way you can stand a big bet with just one card, you're not that good. Then put in a good sized raise on the flop.This is just a silly home game, talk im into calling, make it painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that you have a big hand, with a big smile, a laugh here or there, as you splash chips into the pot and talk him into going along for the ride. I mean, who could fold in front of their fellows to someone acting like that, he has to call you down.There is generally not any reason to slow play hands against opponents like these, or in games like these. There are some turn cards that are going to kill your action and your opponent doesn't want to fold, hell, he put in a three bet raise blind oop before the flop. If you are in this game just to have fun and not really care about money and you want to be nice to your friends and make tricky plays, then check to the river and bet the minimum on the river and you call can giggle when you show your monster hand.However, the correct strategy against this type of field is to raise and build the pot. Raising here makes a bigger pot and you are extracting value out of his hand. You also give him a bigger pot to make a bigger bluff at on a scary turn card if he wants to be a cowboy and try to get you off your hand.All in all, in games like this, just value bet the **** out of your opponents. They will call and you will win money. Don't give one free round, be jolly and friendly with throwing chips in the pot, they will match them.Nice hand. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in?hence "player dependent".This is really belated, and I'm sorry to drag this back to the top, but did you happen to look at the time stamp? :-) Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Well, it depends. Does he overplay top pair? How does he react to smooth calls on your part? Will he bet the turn if you just call? Will he call if you make a big raise or go all-in?hence "player dependent".This is really belated, and I'm sorry to drag this back to the top, but did you happen to look at the time stamp? :-)believe me, i wasn't attacking you at all. i wasn't telling you that you were being redundant, i was instead just emphasizing my point that these questions depend so much on reads and so little on ambiguous and generalized strategy.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 'hence' was the loaded word, but yes, we're right. Link to post Share on other sites
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