Actuary 3 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is BB with K , 6 . UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Actuary checks.Flop: (4 SB) 2 , 6 , 7 (4 players)SB checks, Actuary checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB folds, Actuary calls, UTG folds.I was going to c/r if UTG lead, and at least 1 other calledAs it were, HU didn't seeme as appealing, so I just calledW/o no reason to think UTG leads at thsi flop...I now think leading out is better. Had UTG riased pf..i might be more correct to expect a bet from him.Turn: (3 BB) 2 (2 players)Actuary betsOk..I figure, the flush outs are good, and K/6...for 5 more. 14 outs. Maybe he has a 2, then my K outs are not good. Call it 13 outs.His flop bet could be a "hey no one else bet, I will"Is this the right time for a donk bet semi-bluff?UTG: loose passive passiveButton is Loose Agg - PassiveSB has < 10 handsIt's my first hand so only datamining numbers here. Link to post Share on other sites
woutoR 0 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 think its better to raise the flop and check the turn Link to post Share on other sites
Demiparadigm 0 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Bet the flop.Check raise the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 3, 2005 Author Share Posted October 3, 2005 Bet the flop.Check raise the turn.glad to see you posting here a l0t.You seems to be quite knowledgeable.Why do we want to c/r the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Check raise the flop lead the turn. Cold calling the flop and leading out just doesnt make much sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 bump...hi. I know I'm competing with the limping QQ post and many othe great hands and this one is only 3BB's on turn...But may I ask for more opining Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I say c/r flop and lead turn. I think this gets you the most bang for your buck at our limits, Act. Higher limits probably a different line is better. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I would bet the flop then I would bet the turn. Yeah, I am boring. Boring as hell. Link to post Share on other sites
SabaAba 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 if you want to lead out turn then c/r flop, but it could very well be that someone already has a flush, slow playing it. If you had Ac6, then I say c/r flop lead out on turn.Since it's only Kc6, I say check/call flop, and check/call turn (1 bet only). Since there are a few callers on flop, you figure someone might have Ac and chasing flush too. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 there's only one caller on flop.And button is only better.I think Donk betting with the 2 on the turn and swemi bluffing a K high flush draw HU, and having outs, makes a turn donk bet ok...over checking.Certainly raising flop makes sense if I knew it was HU..but at the time I wanted a third player, for when the flush hits. TYHe pot was not big and getting plyers out was a low priority.I'm not convinved. but it may be close. Or I may be tired. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Raise the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I think leading out or check/raising are about equally good.I think check-calling the flop is decidedly bad.Either way, lead the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
kaisersoze12 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Why would you check the flop? Lead out. No one has shown aggression and it could easily check around, then a big card hits and what do you do? Lead out. I see no other option. Link to post Share on other sites
Demiparadigm 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 glad to see you posting here a l0t.You seems to be quite knowledgeable.Why do we want to c/r the turn?Hi Actuary.The flop bet is for value. It is better than a check raise because you can't be sure of a bet. It is better than a check call because your equity is high enough to warrant a bet, you don't want this checked through.The check raise on the turn is as played.(i.e. when you call the flop, you should do so with the intention of check raising the button player who is often betting light) when you just call the flop you want to show strength on the turn. Button may have a worse hand or a better hand, but if it is worse he has outs and you don't mind taking down the pot with your middle pair. If his hand is better, you may win with a check raise, and if not you have a lot of outs for the river. If He calls the check raise, and you don't improve, I would check the river 100% of the time. Whether you call a bet on the river is really determined by how often you think this particular opponent would bet with a worse hand than your K6.Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hi Actuary.The flop bet is for value. It is better than a check raise because you can't be sure of a bet. It is better than a check call because your equity is high enough to warrant a bet, you don't want this checked through.The check raise on the turn is as played.(i.e. when you call the flop, you should do so with the intention of check raising the button player who is often betting light) when you just call the flop you want to show strength on the turn. Button may have a worse hand or a better hand, but if it is worse he has outs and you don't mind taking down the pot with your middle pair. If his hand is better, you may win with a check raise, and if not you have a lot of outs for the river. If He calls the check raise, and you don't improve, I would check the river 100% of the time. Whether you call a bet on the river is really determined by how often you think this particular opponent would bet with a worse hand than your K6.Good Luck. why is this in NL? and why did this all of a sudden resurrect? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 why is this in NL? and why did this all of a sudden resurrect?Its really old someone dug it up I don't know Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I knew you couldn't stand to be away from LHE.If you plan on leading the turn, you should raise the flop. Save the flop call, turn lead for hands that are weak enough to let go to a raise (think ace high).I don't mind the flop check/call, just continue with your bluff inducing strategy. If you feel he won't bluff for you agian, then raise the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Screech... this post is from October. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Wow, this was quite a bump. Link to post Share on other sites
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