Lil_Hellmuth 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I am playing a 1/2 NL game at my local casino the other day and get dealt 33 in MP there are no limpers so I make it 7 to go, there are 2 callers and then the button makes it 14 to go. I call and the 2 others call. Flop comes 2 3 5. I check, check, check and the button leads 35 I call and it goes fold fold. Next card off is a 9 and I lead 75 into the pot. Reasoning behind this is I truly believed now by the way that he was acting that he had a big pair. i was hoping that it was not aces because he had 4 more outs than if he had KK or QQ. Anyway, he flashes QQ and says good hand and lays it down.Good play? Bad play? Link to post Share on other sites
Rokuban 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I am playing a 1/2 NL game at my local casino the other day and get dealt 33 in MP there are no limpers so I make it 7 to go, there are 2 callers and then the button makes it 14 to go. I call and the 2 others call. Flop comes 2 3 5. I check, check, check and the button leads 35 I call and it goes fold fold. Next card off is a 9 and I lead 75 into the pot. Reasoning behind this is I truly believed now by the way that he was acting that he had a big pair. i was hoping that it was not aces because he had 4 more outs than if he had KK or QQ. Anyway, he flashes QQ and says good hand and lays it down.Good play? Bad play?I would have check-raised all in to prevent the gutshot draw. If he has A4 or 46, so be it... Link to post Share on other sites
Lil_Hellmuth 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 I am playing a 1/2 NL game at my local casino the other day and get dealt 33 in MP there are no limpers so I make it 7 to go, there are 2 callers and then the button makes it 14 to go. I call and the 2 others call. Flop comes 2 3 5. I check, check, check and the button leads 35 I call and it goes fold fold. Next card off is a 9 and I lead 75 into the pot. Reasoning behind this is I truly believed now by the way that he was acting that he had a big pair. i was hoping that it was not aces because he had 4 more outs than if he had KK or QQ. Anyway, he flashes QQ and says good hand and lays it down.Good play? Bad play?I would have check-raised all in to prevent the gutshot draw. If he has A4 or 46, so be it...Makes sense...if he makes a sizeable bet into the pot his pot odds would be laying good enough to almost be obligated to call.Any other thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
hartman72 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I think raising almost 4 times the blind with 3s is a rather poor play. 7 out of 8 times you're throwing your money out the window here. Calling the raise is ok i guess, since you were already invested for 7. I think you make more money by betting on this flop also. The guy raised to 14 for a good reason--- his hand was better than yours. If you bet this flop, you'll probably get check rasised- then you can reraise or go all in. I'm not a big fan of your play. Link to post Share on other sites
rusmac31 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 rather than check the flop, make a 2/3 pot size bet...that board is not likely to scare QQ so he would either A) raise to see where he is at...in which case you can either smooth call and bet on the river or re-raise him on the floporhe would likely call your 2/3 pot size bet on the flop and probably call another reasonable bet on the turn as the 9 is not likely to help you. He may also raise the turn thinking you may have missed the flop and made a continuation bet, etc...In summary, bet that flop (1/2 to 2/3 the pot)...think that's a play that will get you more money than checking.my 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 he must have had a super read on you. Link to post Share on other sites
posoo 0 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 You MUST bet the flop. There are thousands of reasons for this. Here are the best ones:1). As the preflop raiser, you are EXPECTED to bet, particularly on a raggish flop like this one. Not doing so will instantly set off alarm bells in your opponents heads.2). On a raggish flop such as this, your opponents are likely to think that you can have, at best, an overpair. Many opponents will put you on AK. By betting, you do nothing to dissuade them from this notion. Anyone with any semblance of a hand (a pair? an open-ender? an overpair?) is liable to raise you, to fold out your "overcards."3). Once you have bet and are raised, the pot will now be quite big. Therefore, when you come back over the top of him on the flop (or check-raise him all-in on the turn) he will be much more pot committed, and much more likely to call you down. If he's got A5, he'll say: "Well, he must have an overpair...but I'm still drawing live to two pair or a gutshot...I CAN'T fold.Here's what happens when you play it your way:1). The pot is much smaller than it could have been2). Your opponents will be suspicious of your actions3). Due to suspicion and the small pot, they will be much more inclined to let go of marginal - decent hands.Don't let them make decisions easily.Blessings,Posoo Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I like betting this flop too, it will make it look like you have an ace and are trying to make a very weak semi-bluff. I'd say you lead, he'll raise if he has an overpair, if he has a naked A or AK, you get rid of the str8 draw by betting. Bet flop, if you get raised, just call. He's not raising without a high PP. Then on the turn, you probably check. When he bets, you raise, he folds. There's no way he's seeing a showdown, unless you're beat, so just extract as much as you can. Link to post Share on other sites
jayistheman 0 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 don't raise this pre flop... you want to incourage a multiway pot with low pairs. unless you have a reasonable chance of getting it HU with the BB or taking it down.ram and jam on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 As the preflop raiser, you are EXPECTED to bet, particularly on a raggish flop like this one. Not doing so will instantly set off alarm bells in your opponents heads.OP got re-raised PF by the button, so he's not necessarily expected to bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I don't like the pre-flop raise. Link to post Share on other sites
whoomprat 0 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 You MUST bet the flop. There are thousands of reasons for this. Here are the best ones:1). As the preflop raiser, you are EXPECTED to bet, particularly on a raggish flop like this one. Not doing so will instantly set off alarm bells in your opponents heads.2). On a raggish flop such as this, your opponents are likely to think that you can have, at best, an overpair. Many opponents will put you on AK. By betting, you do nothing to dissuade them from this notion. Anyone with any semblance of a hand (a pair? an open-ender? an overpair?) is liable to raise you, to fold out your "overcards."3). Once you have bet and are raised, the pot will now be quite big. Therefore, when you come back over the top of him on the flop (or check-raise him all-in on the turn) he will be much more pot committed, and much more likely to call you down. If he's got A5, he'll say: "Well, he must have an overpair...but I'm still drawing live to two pair or a gutshot...I CAN'T fold.Here's what happens when you play it your way:1). The pot is much smaller than it could have been2). Your opponents will be suspicious of your actions3). Due to suspicion and the small pot, they will be much more inclined to let go of marginal - decent hands.Don't let them make decisions easily.Blessings,PosooOP wasn't the final to act preflop and isn't expected to raise. The button was.I'd get in as cheap as possible preflop and hope to hit the set. You did. Luckily there's a likely raiser behind you, so check to him and reraise all in. Link to post Share on other sites
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