analyze this

[TruePoker 1]

Chimo hit msn

[Royal_Tour 0]

it would be a heck of a fold.

not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie

I never knew what a huge vagina you were.Passing on chance to double up because there's 5% chance this monkey has AA? I believe a race is when it's about even i.e. opponent has two over cards to your pair. There's only one overcard to KK, so no race.Per your AK fold, that would he a race against any pocket pair. Whole different ballgame.

I love vagina's. theres a 5% chance he has aces?.. baaahahah i love this.. where do you get this from idiot?ya theres also a 25% chance that i'm gonna have sex with my secretary.give me a break bud. If you want to sound smart you would have said there is a slight chance he has a PP higher than yours, and since you hold KK its a very slight chance. I'd also like to point out that when i say Race., I mean allowing all 5 cards to show.if chump boy holds 9,10 suited and calls our raise, and flop comes down J,K,3 what now? we are winning this hand, only a complete idiot chases.but chump boy pushed all in, and so we will give him the action he so desires and flop is J,K,3,7,Q. ohh we got rivered, bad beat right?. almost as bad as KK vs AA?.

[Pupsta 0]

not a chance i fold here. if he has aces, he has aces.

[rubberducky 0]

turn pro, make millions

[Jack10Suited 0]

Depends on the site. If you are playing Ultimate Bet then Automatic Call. 99% he also has KK and maybe you'll catch a flush. All others he probably has AA but still call because you are guaranteed to suck out.

[jlgosse 0]

He had AA, and ended up flopping an ace, sealing the deal of course.Left with 300 chips after that hand. Ended up fighting back but getting eliminated in 31st.

[Royal_Tour 0]

He had AA, and ended up flopping an ace, sealing the deal of course.Left with 300 chips after that hand. Ended up fighting back but getting eliminated in 31st.

thank you.. the small raise followed by over bet is just too fishie to not be aces.its also not smart to just throw your faith to a preflop decision this early with such a nice stack size

[whoomprat 0]

it would be a heck of a fold.

not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie

I never knew what a huge vagina you were.Passing on chance to double up because there's 5% chance this monkey has AA? I believe a race is when it's about even i.e. opponent has two over cards to your pair. There's only one overcard to KK, so no race.Per your AK fold, that would he a race against any pocket pair. Whole different ballgame.

I love vagina's. theres a 5% chance he has aces?.. baaahahah i love this.. where do you get this from idiot?ya theres also a 25% chance that i'm gonna have sex with my secretary.give me a break bud. If you want to sound smart you would have said there is a slight chance he has a PP higher than yours, and since you hold KK its a very slight chance. I'd also like to point out that when i say Race., I mean allowing all 5 cards to show.if chump boy holds 9,10 suited and calls our raise, and flop comes down J,K,3 what now? we are winning this hand, only a complete idiot chases.but chump boy pushed all in, and so we will give him the action he so desires and flop is J,K,3,7,Q. ohh we got rivered, bad beat right?. almost as bad as KK vs AA?.

SO by Royal's logic you should fold AA too, because it is also not bad beat proof. Monkey could have had the same flop action with AA, AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, hell even AT.Pairs come 6 ways, non pairs come 16 ways. so 6 out of 82 is 7%. He could even have TT or KQ. Bottom line is it's far from likely he has AA.If Tru is correct that an A is a 7:3 dog to KK, i'd take that bet.

[TruePoker 1]

4bb raise? That isn't small you idiot, 4bb raise is huge....

[Royal_Tour 0]

Depends on the site. If you are playing Ultimate Bet then Automatic Call. 99% he also has KK and maybe you'll catch a flush. All others he probably has AA but still call because you are guaranteed to suck out.

Ya.. this is sound advice.. make your decision based on the site ur on.pfff.. this is a jopke right?

[TruePoker 1]

it would be a heck of a fold.

not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie

I never knew what a huge vagina you were.Passing on chance to double up because there's 5% chance this monkey has AA? I believe a race is when it's about even i.e. opponent has two over cards to your pair. There's only one overcard to KK, so no race.Per your AK fold, that would he a race against any pocket pair. Whole different ballgame.

I love vagina's. theres a 5% chance he has aces?.. baaahahah i love this.. where do you get this from idiot?ya theres also a 25% chance that i'm gonna have sex with my secretary.give me a break bud. If you want to sound smart you would have said there is a slight chance he has a PP higher than yours, and since you hold KK its a very slight chance. I'd also like to point out that when i say Race., I mean allowing all 5 cards to show.if chump boy holds 9,10 suited and calls our raise, and flop comes down J,K,3 what now? we are winning this hand, only a complete idiot chases.but chump boy pushed all in, and so we will give him the action he so desires and flop is J,K,3,7,Q. ohh we got rivered, bad beat right?. almost as bad as KK vs AA?.

SO by Royal's logic you should fold AA too, because it is also not bad beat proof. Monkey could have had the same flop action with AA, AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, hell even AT.Pairs come 6 ways, non pairs come 16 ways. so 6 out of 82 is 7%. He could even have TT or KQ. Bottom line is it's far from likely he has AA.If Tru is correct that an A is a 7:3 dog to KK, i'd take that bet.

You push all in as chip leader with AT / KQ after you have been re-raised by another chip leader???? I am sure you win a lot of tournaments.....You are a chip leader, and you want to be out of the tournament 30% of the time? I wouldn't take that bet at all, it is just stupid. For a start he is probably got AA not just one A anyway. So you aren't really 7 / 3...

[jlgosse 0]

I knew he had aces, or at least I felt strongly that he did.I should have folded, but it's a hard hand to lay down. I laid kings down ONCE preflop in a live game, although it was a cash game, and the player DID in fact have aces.

[rocksquid 50]

I just know I am going to have a tough time laying down the kings. Here's hoping I can learn from all of your experiences.

[jlgosse 0]

NOTE: I called mainly because it was free money on Pacific, $5 that I turned into $40 and then played that tourney to try and win some cash.I figured if I had him beat I was chipleader in the tourney, if I lost then I still had a shot at it, and it was no big loss.

[Royal_Tour 0]

SO by Royal's logic you should fold AA too, because it is also not bad beat proof.Monkey could have had the same flop action with AA, AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, hell even AT.Pairs come 6 ways, non pairs come 16 ways. so 6 out of 82 is 7%. He could even have TT or KQ. Bottom line is it's far from likely he has AA.If Tru is correct that an A is a 7:3 dog to KK, i'd take that bet.Bottom line,You have no business trying to post odds refer to my old thread on the chances of a over pair to your pair, there is certain odds that you hold a lower PP to someones over pair. not a guestimate like you assume.And in this case, we are not debating wether he has AA, we are debating if its correct to call an all in here even though we are among top 5 in chips early in a MTT.on and BTW,, finally you are correct, AA isnt bad beat proof. Did i say i fold KK and AA preflop?. no. do i fold KK in this instance? Yes.thank you

[whoomprat 0]

He had AA, and ended up flopping an ace, sealing the deal of course.Left with 300 chips after that hand. Ended up fighting back but getting eliminated in 31st.

Don't change you play based on this one hand. You will make money in the long run doing exactly what you did.

[PocketRocks 0]

For me it would really depend on the exact situatuion. The only way I fold here is if he has been a very tight player. Otherwise, I would call. You can't win without taking some risks, and this situation I don't even think there is much risk(unless he has been really tight). If he is a somewhat loose player, he could have any wired pair, AKs, AQs, maybe even AKo, AQo or KQs. The chance of him having AA is very low, he probably has a small pair, putting you on over cards and trying to scare you out of the pot, if you call he might think he has a race situation. But since you are posting this on here, I would say you call and he turns up AA. At those low limits, he could really have anything, I have seen people push it with mush less, daily. I had AKs last night in the BB. Blinds were 100-200, I pushed the rest of my stack of 900 in. Dude called me with J6o and won. Online poker...gotta love it!!! :roll:

[TruePoker 1]

If I was shortstacked, I would call this. Only if I had under 1000 chips before my re-raise.

[TruePoker 1]

For me it would really depend on the exact situatuion. The only way I fold here is if he has been a very tight player. Otherwise, I would call. You can't win without taking some risks, and this situation I don't even think there is much risk(unless he has been really tight). If he is a somewhat loose player, he could have any wired pair, AKs, AQs, maybe even AKo, AQo or KQs. The chance of him having AA is very low, he probably has a small pair, putting you on over cards and trying to scare you out of the pot, if you call he might think he has a race situation. But since you are posting this on here, I would say you call and he turns up AA. At those low limits, he could really have anything, I have seen people push it with mush less, daily. I had AKs last night in the BB. Blinds were 100-200, I pushed the rest of my stack of 900 in. Dude called me with J6o and won. Online poker...gotta love it!!! :roll:

This is 2 chipleaders against each other, this isn't 900 chips at 100 / 200 blinds. This is 4500 + chips each when blinds are 15/30.

[jlgosse 0]

Royal is correct. About half of the players had already been eliminated, as well.But the tourney was only running like 30 minutes, maybe less.

[Royal_Tour 0]

He had AA, and ended up flopping an ace, sealing the deal of course.Left with 300 chips after that hand. Ended up fighting back but getting eliminated in 31st.

Don't change you play based on this one hand. You will make money in the long run doing exactly what you did.

No he wont,he will lose to AA several times.he he was short stacked, he has no choice. if it was deep, and tables are smaller, of course. If its mid way through and a LAG player with half our chips pushes, of course. auto call.but once again, if we continue to triple our stacks early but call the only other stack at the table with as many chips who came over the top of our re-raise, then we have problems.

[jlgosse 0]

Indeed, not much point to risk a shot at the big money by throwing away potential money on this one hand. Calling in this case is -EV in several spots.Might as well wait for a better time to toss the chips in.

[Royal_Tour 0]

For me it would really depend on the exact situatuion. The only way I fold here is if he has been a very tight player. Otherwise, I would call. You can't win without taking some risks, and this situation I don't even think there is much risk(unless he has been really tight). If he is a somewhat loose player, he could have any wired pair, AKs, AQs, maybe even AKo, AQo or KQs. The chance of him having AA is very low, he probably has a small pair, putting you on over cards and trying to scare you out of the pot, if you call he might think he has a race situation. But since you are posting this on here, I would say you call and he turns up AA. At those low limits, he could really have anything, I have seen people push it with mush less, daily. I had AKs last night in the BB. Blinds were 100-200, I pushed the rest of my stack of 900 in. Dude called me with J6o and won. Online poker...gotta love it!!! :roll:

1st - dont bring the limits into question, we are analyzing the play.2nd - why does he have to be tight to have AA? is it not possible for any player to hold AA at any time during the tourney?3rd - why are we basing our call onthe fact that "the chance is low" and not looking at all the events leading up to this.

[whoomprat 0]

SO by Royal's logic you should fold AA too, because it is also not bad beat proof.Monkey could have had the same flop action with AA, AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, hell even AT.Pairs come 6 ways, non pairs come 16 ways. so 6 out of 82 is 7%. He could even have TT or KQ. Bottom line is it's far from likely he has AA.If Tru is correct that an A is a 7:3 dog to KK, i'd take that bet.Bottom line,You have no business trying to post odds refer to my old thread on the chances of a over pair to your pair, there is certain odds that you hold a lower PP to someones over pair. not a guestimate like you assume.And in this case, we are not debating wether he has AA, we are debating if its correct to call an all in here even though we are among top 5 in chips early in a MTT.on and BTW,, finally you are correct, AA isnt bad beat proof. Did i say i fold KK and AA preflop?. no. do i fold KK in this instance? Yes.thank you

I have business posting anything I want, especially rational ways to look at this hand.if he holds only 1 ace, 7:3 is a huge edge. Hmmm, 70% chance that I'm far and away the chip leader and can coast to big money or 30% I go play another. you'll never see odds that good.Folding KK preflop when you know you're giong to be heads up is weak weak weak.

[TruePoker 1]

This isn't just a case of, someone bet out, we raised and we got pushed all in, look at our cards, we have KK, call.This is a case of, the only player with our amount of chips has raise, then pushed our re-raise all in. We have only 300 out of 4500 chips in the middle. This is the same as having 1 chip in the middle and 14 in our stack and then calling just because we have a hand. KK is still only 70% vs Ax. The call would have be +EV if he hasn't got aces, but when we think about Tournament Equity this is an easy fold. (if we fold we are still top in chips, if we call we may not cash).