Rokuban 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 How long do you think it will take until the news media starts demonizing poker? I can see some story on the nightly news about the downfalls of online poker, creating some controversy where a kid spent all of his parents money effing it away online. The poker boom has been amazing, I know I've had fun, but how long will it last? Will it die down naturally, or will something bad happen to make people shy away?Where were you the last 2 centuries ? The media has been demonizing poker for decades. They just stopped doing so a few years ago when it became popular entertainment on television...Now, it'll be only be slightly demonized now and then, same as any sport/entertainment around. Link to post Share on other sites
Woodbelly 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 How long do you think it will take until the news media starts demonizing poker? I can see some story on the nightly news about the downfalls of online poker, creating some controversy where a kid spent all of his parents money effing it away online. The poker boom has been amazing, I know I've had fun, but how long will it last? Will it die down naturally, or will something bad happen to make people shy away?Where were you the last 2 centuries ? The media has been demonizing poker for decades. They just stopped doing so a few years ago when it became popular entertainment on television...Now, it'll be only be slightly demonized now and then, same as any sport/entertainment around.I think what I'm getting at is do you think there will ever be a poker witch hunt by the media? I think it would be geared more towards online than live poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Sometimes the person telling you not to gamble isn't who you might think!!!Nice, now only if you could add audio, you would be my new hero, Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I think OP is absolutely correct. When I explained poker to my friend, he said "Oh...so poker is all about taking advantage of the ignorance of others". I had never seen it in that light, but it's absolutely true. I dont really have a problem with that though. I believe most players (winners or losers) are not degenerate gamblers. While I do feel sorry for those who are, I'm not here to judge. If they need help, they should seek it. If they cant or wont, then those close to them should be looking out for them. I dont know the circumstances of the people I play against, and it's really none of my business. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 That may be a little high. I mean, think about the high scores on the list. There are some tough acts to beat.I know. its just so surreal. this guy has made a mint on people with gambling problems. then he makes this commercial with his cheesy hair and his funny voice and.....ok not 7769. just because! Link to post Share on other sites
PotDragon 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 At best, they end up grinding out a piddling income while investing far too many hours in front of the computer, at the exclusion of their friends and loved ones.Sounds like most jobs available today. :roll: Guess what Einstein ? Not everyone is cut out for the poker lifestyle...and not everyone gets to be Tigar Woods either. :wall: It is pretty clear that neither you nor your friend is among the few that can make a decent living playing a game...allbeit for different reasons. His lack of control...your lack of killer instinct.Heres two thoughts for your little brain....1...Every single pro I hear mention it, advises kids AWAY from Poker as a profession.2... Tournament chips have no cash value, so I have no bad feelings whatsoever if someone tilts off their stack. If someone is so irresponsible as to buy in to a tourny they can't afford...tough.So save your story with your pathetic results...maybe they care about your BS over at neverwin, but personally I find people like your "friend" are idiots who cry about "bad beats" from hands they should have never played in the first place. What's that say about your judgement ? :roll: Have a nice Day ! Link to post Share on other sites
PA32R 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I had a friend that was a fucking psycho.He wanted to kill everyone's family...I came to realize there were a number of people like this in the world, you know, fucking psycho types, and that I should pity them. So I let them kill my mother, because locking them up would be wrong. So, I'm here to tell you that I no longer take any action against muderer types, it's not their fault.Why is it that it seems like no one on the Internet has the ability to come up with a decent analogy? This one is idiotic.Word. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentSnow 1 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 heres the problem with the "taking advantage of the ignorance of others" argument. to some extent or another, just about every part of society isabout this. to take this principle seriously, you would have to ban all formsof competition; since in a competition, the person who is stronger or more knowledgable tends to win.it is better to think of poker as a form of entertainment/competition.the fact is, no one is being forced to play poker. apparently a lot of people are more than willing to compete with people who are likely to be better than them. if they want to do this, let them. if you want to, warn them about the costs of ego and ignorance in assessing their competitors.what you should really be worried about if this "taking advantage" concerns you is all the people who are being forced to play the game of life at a disadvantage(due to physical, social, mental, and other weaknesses)compared to the losers forced to play societies' competitive game, the voluntary losers at poker are a trivial concern. Link to post Share on other sites
PotDragon 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 compared to the losers forced to play societies' competitive game, the voluntary losers at poker are a trivial concern.No doubt ! :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
PA32R 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Losers will lose one way or another. Don't blame poker.Losers play poker, winners invest in poker.Losers never want to study, they want to have fun. It hurts their brains to think.Have fun.now THAT'S an avatar!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
DLizzle 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Wow I just read the first page, and those were some terrible analogies. The ones like "Should we all stop drinking because some people are alcoholics?" What the hell are you thinking? A more accurate analogy would be something like, "Is it moral for a drug dealer for a drug dealer to sell crack to a crackhead so that he can profit from other's addiction?" That question is also up for debate in my mind, so I think the OP is a good one. As for my opinion, I'm not sure, but I will continue to play. I guess I'm a jerk. Link to post Share on other sites
rlebow 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 NOBODY LIKES A QUITTER. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't think most fish are compulsive gamblers. They are just doing it to have a fun time and if they win it's a bonus. If they have a problem I see it as others responsibility, not mine. Link to post Share on other sites
angler 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 live and let die. Link to post Share on other sites
rkkkkjj 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 whats your friends ID on UB?? HAHAHAH Link to post Share on other sites
posoo 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 Thank you to all posters for insightful commentary and good Karate Kid memories.Although I am giving up poker for now, I imagine I will find myself logging in or going to a casino every now and again; a winning player is no less of an addict than a losing player. But I have stopped entertaining any notions of taking my playing to the next level.The poor fish will lose their money anyway...so let's hope that the stalwarts of FCP end up taking it!Blessings,Posoo Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 i think the ucr is at least in the mid 70s. Link to post Share on other sites
Socko669 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I actually get enjoyment out of taking advantage of those ruining their lives. It pays my bills. Its not my fault that they havent stumbled into Gamblers Anonymous yet. Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 any time someone sits down at the table with me, they think they can take my money. I take that personally. If they're bad, sucks for them. they thought they could take my money and they were wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Kobra Kai!! and then you guys forgot "Never Die!" To the OP. How did it take you this long to figure out that you make money of off other peoples personality faults? If it has taken you this long I seriously doubt you are truly a winning player, and I dont mean to flame but this shouldnt be realization you are just now coming too. This is a weird reason for you to quit poker which makes me think that you are the one who has gone broke and has the gambling problem. I could be wrong but it sounds fishy pardon the pun. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 any time someone sits down at the table with me, they think they can take my money. I take that personally. If they're bad, sucks for them. they thought they could take my money and they were wrong.then you probably tilt easily Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 actually i never tilt, i don't take it personally in that i get emotional about busting individuals. I take it personally in general that anyone would think they can take my money. I think you have to have that mindset in order to play. just my opinion Link to post Share on other sites
The Enforcer 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Let me bring some sense to this:At our current time, with so many new people playing poker especially online, making money at poker is not that hard provided you take the neccesary steps. First, you must read the books. Once you study poker theory, you must play against people who are as close to your skill level as possible. For most beginners, that would be .10/.25 or $5 tourneys. In the beginning you will lose. I think we all start out as fish no matter how many books we read. This is what seperates the serious players from the losers. The serious players will keep on applying what they learned from the books and keep making adjustments and eventually they will start winning. After a considerable amount of time, one can move up in limits.A lot of people want to just jump to the most expensive game they can afford. I say that in order to beat those games, we must develop our skills at the lower games even if the money is irrelevant to us. The people who will become great players are more concered with getting better than anything else. The OP's friend is clearly not dedicated to the game and therefore I have no mercy. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 actually i never tilt, i don't take it personally in that i get emotional about busting individuals. I take it personally in general that anyone would think they can take my money. I think you have to have that mindset in order to play. just my opinionSome people are just there to have fun. They're not making it a personal vendetta against you. They might even consider you a better player. If these people get lucky and get your money do you take that as a personal insult? That happens alot you know. If they even talk smack after they beat you a pot, how do you react? I think its counterproductive to make poker an ego contest which is what you seem to make it. Its hard to make good decisions when you are out to prove that you are better than the next guy. Also approaching the game with this kind of intensity does not make people want to gamble w/ you which means they will avoid you. Being nice to the fish is +ev. Link to post Share on other sites
PotDragon 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Being nice to the fish is +ev.So true. :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
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