NortonFan 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Try reading kk. He was not talking about your list. Link to post Share on other sites
NortonFan 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 kowboy=kk Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 kowboy=kkAh, Don't know who he is. His list looked long, why would I spend my time reading that? I'm sure it's as bad as the other one Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Try reading kk. He was not talking about your list.Yeah, I got it, that is why I deleted my post. I was typing and playing my hand at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 kowboy=kkAh, Don't know who he is. His list looked long, why would I spend my time reading that? I'm sure it's as bad as the other oneKOWBOYKOOP IS ALL THAT IS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 The scariest pro to be sitting across from would have to be  This joke has already been used by me. Come up with some new material. Link to post Share on other sites
Andersun 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 my badI didn't read the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
NevadaRick 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I think the one person who would strike fear into me at the table is Jennifer Harmon. Reason being is she can just flat out play poker!!!! Also not to mention she is drip dead gorgeous and I would be drooling at the table....roflmao!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 damn that avatar is addicting. I like watching it more than...well... Link to post Share on other sites
Fourhead 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Tony G.I'd have to kill the guy if he acted like he did on the WPT. Link to post Share on other sites
PocketRocks 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I would have to say Layne Flack, Gus, and Ivey. They are all very aggressive and will play any 2 cards. I would imagine it would be kinda hard to get a read on them. But I would say it would be equally as hard to play against players like DN, Brunson, Lederer, E-Dog, and Williams because they are such solid players. Link to post Share on other sites
inz 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Most intimidating has to be Ivey, Barry Greenstein, Howard Lederer, & Johny Chan. Link to post Share on other sites
BigPhish 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Jennifer Harman. The rest of the field mentioned would absolutely wipe me out, but Jennifer would do it more quickly just due to the distraction factor. Link to post Share on other sites
Ottawa_Biatch 288 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 there's no question about this folks, its phil laak, the UNABOMBER!!! Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 can't believe no one has said ellix powers. that guy gets called down with "jack-high" (close enough) he must be doing something right.and while i would be very afraid sitting across from barry greenstein, i'd be far more afraid sitting in front of him with that count chocula look. i'd wear a scarf. a garlic scarf.daniel Link to post Share on other sites
HowMuchIsIt 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I'm all in MMKay!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
jcpoker 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 can't believe no one has said ellix powers. that guy gets called down with "jack-high" (close enough) he must be doing something right.and while i would be very afraid sitting across from barry greenstein, i'd be far more afraid sitting in front of him with that count chocula look. i'd wear a scarf. a garlic scarf.danielthe only reason i'd be afraid to sit across from ellix is that he is the only poker player more broke than I. desperate people can do desperate things.scariest to sit across from (i take this to mean people i don't like my chances against)iveygreensteinforrest reesebrunsoncaromen the masterseidelleddererbut the scariest to sit across from:X-22 - woudn't want to look at him for long periods of timeEllix Powers - for reason mentioned abovethis one huge guy (at least 450 lbs) i saw knock people over while running to the bathroom at the legendsliebert - hellmuth - cause i don't like to fight and i think he's an asscloutier - cause if i do win he could so easily kick my ass (embarrasing to say about someone over twice my age -but true)_____________________________________________www.pokulator.com check the odds, raise your game Link to post Share on other sites
Scanner313 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Here's a twist on this thread, because so many people are saying how some of these pros would "own" every member of this forum.If someone staked you $500,000 to play heads up against Phil Ivey, where you had no tie to that money whatsoever (you wouldn't have to pay back if you lost, and you don't get anything if you win), it's basically play money to you, do you really feel that NOBODY on this forum could beat him (or any other top pro, not just Ivey)? And even though the money isn't linked to you, it's still real money that the lender is hoping you turn into more, so there is motivation not to just play like a donkey.I'm not a pro, I don't claim to be one, but I understand the game of poker pretty well. I know when to call or fold based on my outs, etc. as most everyone else here does. I think I am very good at hiding any excitment or fear, and this would be very easy if it wasn't my money. Therefore, I would love to play a pro under those circumstances. And not for nothing, I think there are many players on this forum who could be a real challenge to these guys.My thought is that these guys have 3 things that make them stand out amongst the majority of players.1) Obviously, they have a very good understanding of the game. But, so do many non-pros.2) They have the bankroll to play at these ridiculously high limits, and as Ivey says himslef, he's not scared to lose $500k in a session. He doesn't have that fear.3) Experience. Pro's have payed so much that they have seen just about every possible scenario (well, Doyle has anyway).I think the experience factor is the one BIG factor in playing a non pro. You can balance the other 2, but this is the big one, although I think if you take your time to analyze the hand, you can make good decisions without having seen everything before.Anyway, I guess the summary of all this is the simple question...If you had no fear about losing the money, do you believe you could give any pro a challenge heads up? Link to post Share on other sites
twopinkeyez 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 seeing scotty and ivey at my table would just scare the sh.it outta me!but i'll still bluff out scotty and re-reaise ivey 8) ! Link to post Share on other sites
ICrushHomeGames 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Chan. Ivey, Forrest, Hennigan, Chiu, and Harman close second. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited J7 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I really think that sitting across from Doyle has got to be terrifiing. This man has seen everything and done everything. You cant scare him with money or very much else. Hearing the stories about being help at gun point and such in the old Texas days. He has got to be the scariest. I would also take TJ as a close second. That guy is huge! Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I don't think I would be afraid to play against any of them. Whether or not I'd win is immaterial, since I would never gamble what I wasn't willing to lose.There's more to EV than simply $ signs. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Here's a twist on this thread, because so many people are saying how some of these pros would "own" every member of this forum.If someone staked you $500,000 to play heads up against Phil Ivey, where you had no tie to that money whatsoever (you wouldn't have to pay back if you lost, and you don't get anything if you win), it's basically play money to you, do you really feel that NOBODY on this forum could beat him (or any other top pro, not just Ivey)? And even though the money isn't linked to you, it's still real money that the lender is hoping you turn into more, so there is motivation not to just play like a donkey.I'm not a pro, I don't claim to be one, but I understand the game of poker pretty well. I know when to call or fold based on my outs, etc. as most everyone else here does. I think I am very good at hiding any excitment or fear, and this would be very easy if it wasn't my money. Therefore, I would love to play a pro under those circumstances. And not for nothing, I think there are many players on this forum who could be a real challenge to these guys.My thought is that these guys have 3 things that make them stand out amongst the majority of players.1) Obviously, they have a very good understanding of the game. But, so do many non-pros.2) They have the bankroll to play at these ridiculously high limits, and as Ivey says himslef, he's not scared to lose $500k in a session. He doesn't have that fear.3) Experience. Pro's have payed so much that they have seen just about every possible scenario (well, Doyle has anyway).I think the experience factor is the one BIG factor in playing a non pro. You can balance the other 2, but this is the big one, although I think if you take your time to analyze the hand, you can make good decisions without having seen everything before.Anyway, I guess the summary of all this is the simple question...If you had no fear about losing the money, do you believe you could give any pro a challenge heads up?i think for well over 90% of players on this forum, myself included, the best chance of winning in a heads-up match with most of the pros mentioned, would have the best chance of winning if we just moved all-in pre-flop every single hand. i honestly believe getting at least 15-20% chance this way, and possibly more, is greater than the chance nearly every professional player would have in a deep-stacked heads-up match.daniel Link to post Share on other sites
PAYforUSC 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I know most people here would say Ivey.... but after catching some of the wpt tonight...... my answer has switched to Forrest. I can't put my finger on it.... but they guy just seems to exude such confidence in that he knows exactly what he's doing at every point in time. 'nuff said. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Id have to say Chris Moneymaker. Those wraparounds are very intimidating. Hes also one of the best poker players. Seriously though I wouldnt fear anyone in a tournament. Its not like I would be in one unless I won a satellite or was playing in cash games high enough to support a 10K buy in so I could really care less who was sitting at my table because I would be employing the build'em up early or dump 'em off for the cash game strategy. If I win a satellite its close to a freeroll and If i play high enough I could go win it back in two hours. I only get intimidated when Im in over my head in a cash game, tournaments are really for fun. I think that this discussion would be funner if applied to a shorthanded cash game. Link to post Share on other sites
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