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254 hands, 4.5 hours, -110 big bets?


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The title says it all, went on a absolutely horrible streak yesterday and today. After having success the past 3 weeks playing 0.50/1 at PP, I ran into a brick wall. I deposited $100 on Aug 21 and reached $400 on Sept 14. Cashed out $250 3 days ago. Ever since the cashout, I can't seem to win a hand, I've taken a ton of horrible beats.Went from having $150 left after the cashout to only about $40 now. I thought $150 would be plently to keep playing 0.50/1 (which is all I play).How common is it to have swings like this?? It's really hard to take.

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Wow, you're a big help.I earned 300 big bets in three weeks by luck? I don't think so.I've read Small Stakes holdem 3 times now, I know that book like I know myself. PS You're a douche bag. Does it may you feel good to insult someone who don't know over the internet? Of all the forums I've ever posted on, this one has the highest proportion of cyber thugs around.

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Your bankroll is under-sized. A downswing can easily destroy you. $150 is not enough to play $0.50/1 unless you are ready to redeposit more money when/if you lose it.
What he said^^^^^^And yes 110 big bet swings are very common. You'll have to learn to deal with it.
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Dude, while allinbluff can sound like a douche, he's doing you a favor, because he's right.I deposited 30$ into Party, and went on a 450BB upswing over 4 days while playing .5, and then went on a 200BB downswing...Look up variance, and bankroll management.Unfortunately, many of us have learned this the hard way.Poker takes a lot more effort than just reading SSHE, and while that's an excellent start, it only separates you from the pack a certain amount. The rest is patience discipline, and good money management.(I just said exactly what all-in said, just more diplomatically, and long winded.)

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Wow, you're a big help.I earned 300 big bets in three weeks by luck? I don't think so.I've read Small Stakes holdem 3 times now, I know that book like I know myself. PS You're a douche bag. Does it may you feel good to insult someone who don't know over the internet? Of all the forums I've ever posted on, this one has the highest proportion of cyber thugs around.
how many hands did you play in the "3 weeks" where you made 300bb's? If it's less than 10k it's meaningless and you were hit by the lucky side of variance and now you're experiencing the other side. Just because you've read the book doesn't mean actually understand and know how to apply the concepts. I'm not insulting you, I'm telling you the truth.
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I'm not insulting you, I'm telling you the truth.
I think there are only about 3 people here that don't understand that insulting someone and telling the truth are not mutually exclusive.For instance, if I were to say allinbluff35 was a pompous ass who needed to mock others skill level in order to make himself feel better about his, that would be both an insult AND the truth.Mark
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For a standard .50/1 game you should have $300 available as a BR. For PP I'd recommend 400. .50/1 on PP is notorious for having loose games and, by extension, a higher variance. While 110 BB swings are not VERY common, they will happen more often in such loose game.P.S. I think this is what allinbluff was trying to say, but it just came out "you're an idiot".

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if u cant take ribbing from allinbluff..hell...what pressures in life must do to you.300 BB..good start.OP, post hands. We are happy to critique.Some of them even know what they are saying.your long term win rate must be >0 or no Bankroll will be safe.

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What I don't understand is why do you guys bother posting these things if you don't want to hear the truth. Running it up 300 big bets and then cashing out 250 big bets is already dumb enough to do in the first place. The reason why you cashed it out is because you think you'll drop it all back. If you had confidence in your game, you would leave it in there and keep building it up.People that make some money and cash out have a lack of confidence in their abilities. At the tables, I always look for those who are sitting with their entire bankroll. They're usually the ones that sit down with $1046.34 or something like that. They either play too tight and scared or too reckless and loose, making them easy targets either way.I don't usually get into these arguments, because for the most part they're pointless. The only people that even argue are the ones who go broke on a consistent basis. Also, no 110 big bet swings are not common, you probably have a ton of leaks in your game to drop so much in that time span.I've gone on 200 big bet downswings, but that happens like once in a span of a year maybe. 100 big bet downswings maybe like 5 or 6 times throughout a year, that's playing for a living though, which is a lot differently than recreationally.

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OP, don't let allinbluff bother you. He's a giant douchebag with a major superiority complex. Although the way he said what he said is idiotic, he's pretty much right. You need to have at least 300 bb in your roll, and you can't cashout everytime you hit the upside of variance.

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I had a 150 BB downswing at these limits a few weeks back - by no means is my game perfect, and I admit that probably some of that was due to tilt, but when you start expecting to lose with TPTK after some fish hitting their weak kicker on the river more times than you care to count, and your sets are getting gutshot relentlessly, you have to chalk it up to variance - it was the 1st BIG downswing I have ever had - However, it was over a much larger number of hands than a couple hundred, more like a couple thousand. Eventually, before I pulled the plug temporarily, my play was noticeably changing from a SLAA style to one alternating between passive and maniacal - at this point I focused playing MTT's and NL ring games for a change.

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How common is it to have swings like this?? It's really hard to take.
The higher the limit, the more likely it is to happen, as variance is much more noticeable as the players get better and better vs. the micro-limits where you will often be on a table with 7-8 players that are just playing anything in any position for any number of bets.My best advice is that since it is such a specific and small number of hands is to look at every hand and figure out what you did wrong and make up your mind to not make those errors again. IF you apply the Small Stakes Hold 'em strategies advocated by Ed Miller, it's basically impossible not to crush those games for far more than you lost ... just take it as a learning experience.
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I earned 300 big bets in three weeks by luck? I don't think so.Umm. yaa, actually that has a lot to do with it. what your first mistake was, was cashing out some of that "free" money. which you should have used to help downswings.instead you got yourself in a mindset, thinking your a winning player, you can easily beat this game, you decided to cash out some money, and start back agian and build up another 400, and cash out 250 a week later, and brag to your friends how you are making 250.00 a week in online poker.build a bankroll. that is all.

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How common is it to have swings like this?? It's really hard to take.
The higher the limit, the more likely it is to happen, as variance is much more noticeable as the players get better and better vs. the micro-limits where you will often be on a table with 7-8 players that are just playing anything in any position for any number of bets..
This is wrong. The $ variance at higher limits may be higher due to scale, but in terms of number of big bets the variance at higher limits is lower, for precisely the reason given for it supposedly being higher at higher limits.When you have the whole table chasing you will win and lose very large pots, increasing variance.As far a 110 big bet swing, the first night I played internet poker I sat down at a loose 5/10 table for about 6 hours and won 400 big bets. I thought I was a shark swimming in a school of guppies. In retrospect, even though I didnt realize it at the time, every draw I had hit, every steal I tried worked, and I had more pockets than a member of the Magic Castle, and they held up. The more the table called me "Fish" the better I thought I was.It took several hundred hours for me to give it all back and realize that, despite knowing Sklansky's Advanced Players backwards and forwards INTELLECTUALLY (SSHE wasnt out then) the application takes experience and discipline, and the variance can still be a killer.Dont treat an account like an ATM, treat it like a CD with withdrawal penalties. You'll be glad the cushion is there for the downward side of variance, or to increase your limits when you have the br.
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Not that it is always wrong, but a large percentage of posts such as these receive the usual "you are just a bad player" responses.Sometimes it's true, but the people who usual make those responses have no tact, poor communication skills, and generally suck at giving advice.IMO.

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I'm not insulting you, I'm telling you the truth.
I think there are only about 3 people here that don't understand that insulting someone and telling the truth are not mutually exclusive.For instance, if I were to say allinbluff35 was a pompous ass who needed to mock others skill level in order to make himself feel better about his, that would be both an insult AND the truth.Mark
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I've never seen so many noobs calling allinbluff a douche. Waiting for his response.
Actually, if you notice, I've been a member longer than you have. Just b/c I can't find the time to post on every thread every day, doesn't mean I'm a "noob." And even if I was, it doesn't take long to figure out that allinbluff is a giant piece of shit.
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I've never seen so many noobs calling allinbluff a douche. Waiting for his response.
Actually, if you notice, I've been a member longer than you have. Just b/c I can't find the time to post on every thread every day, doesn't mean I'm a "noob." And even if I was, it doesn't take long to figure out that allinbluff is a giant piece of censored.
allin... come on man.. ive been campaigning for this for a few days now...please do one of your vintage "clown" posts then tell him to jump out his basement window...please.
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