need help resolving a dispute

[WasaMaNG 0]

After reading 4 pages of this, I became rather confused and here's how I've concluded to think about it...flame if you wantConventional: "I raise [x]"Total Chips: xConventional: "I raise [600]"Total Chips: 600BB=200OP Says: "I raise [3x the BB]"Total Chips: 3x the BB = 3x200 = 600

[Loismustdie 0]

uhmm, no, it is 800 total.The big blind has 200 in, you are RAISING 3xBB which is 600.600 + 200 = 800.OP asked how many chips total one must put in the pot.It's so easy and standard and typical as to be rediculous.Do not argue after this, or you're untardable.

If I agree with you wil you take away my untardable from 2 months ago?

[Spademan 94]

uhmm, no, it is 800 total.The big blind has 200 in, you are RAISING 3xBB which is 600.600 + 200 = 800.OP asked how many chips total one must put in the pot.It's so easy and standard and typical as to be rediculous.Do not argue after this, or you're untardable.

If I agree with you wil you take away my untardable from 2 months ago?

roflDon't even have to agree, it is lifted.

[Robert_Eaves 0]

Alot of other people answered correctly as well.I'm attributing the people who voted 600 to the recent migration of the retards at NWP over here.

Who is that in your avatar? It looks like petra nemcova or josie maran.

I don't think it's Josie.I could spot her from a mile away.

I could be wrong but that looks alot like Angelina Jolie to me

[Spademan 94]

Alot of other people answered correctly as well.I'm attributing the people who voted 600 to the recent migration of the retards at NWP over here.

Who is that in your avatar? It looks like petra nemcova or josie maran.

I don't think it's Josie.I could spot her from a mile away.

I could be wrong but that looks alot like Angelina Jolie to me

Not talking about my avatar bro.

[SuM827 0]

This is pretty hilarious. If the standard raise is 3xBB, then that means that the total amount of the raise is 3xBB or 600, in this case, the bet already on the table of 200 is then added to this amount to make it 800 total chips committed to the pot. The amount of the raise is 600, the total bet is 800. Clear? When you're "doubling the Big Blind", you're just putting another 200 in there, but the amount of your raise is 200, not 400.See the problem here is that when you guys watch poker on TV, the players say "I raise", and then declare the amount, with the call being implied (which is acceptable). Sometimes they declare the total amount like "800 total", and other times they'll say "600 more". Either way, after the initial call of 200, the amount of the actual raise would equal 3xBB.BTW, a raise by definition is the amount added to the initial bet.

[AstroMech 0]

haha... when i first voted i expected an overwhelming percentage for 600... i was a bit surprised at how even it came out.I still firmly beleive that "I raise 3x the BB" would mean i put 600 chips in the pot total.It would be nice to have a poker pro comment on this ambiguity.

[TheMathProf 0]

Many mathematical problems have the foundations of the problem in the English used behind them.The question reads: If im playing holdem and the blinds are 100/200 lets say and i raise 3X the BB what is the total amout of chips i have put in the potSince the raise is 3x the BB, and the BB is 200, the raise must be 3x200 = 600.The amount of money put in the pot consists of two components: the amount of money that is put into the pot to call the previous action (sometimes this is nothing) plus the amount of money that is put into the pot to create the new action.In this case, the previous action is the 200 call of the BB. The new action is a 600 raise of the BB. Combined, that total is 800.Whether "common [mis]usage" of the term "raise _X the BB" allows for a different interpretation that provides a different answer, from a mathematical perspective the question is 100% clear and provides a single answer.Frequently, certain terms that have a definitive mathematical interpretation have a common everyday opposite interpretation. The example of the "Let's Make a Deal" question is exactly the kind of popular misconception that we see here, IMO. So many people when posed the "Let's Make a Deal" situation will insist that the answer is 1/2, and will continue to argue it vehemently, even after the correct solution has been interpreted, explained, and re-explained.

[jaaaaakke 0]

If the guy is in the BB, and announces, "Im raising it 3xBB", he put 800 chips. he has 200 commited for the bb3xBB = 600 chipsand since verbal is binding, hehas to throw an additional 600, because 200 is dead money and you dont count that for a raise.so the total is 800

[Don Giovanni 0]

the answer is 800. go take a math class you morons.

[Spademan 94]

Many mathematical problems have the foundations of the problem in the English used behind them.The question reads: If im playing holdem and the blinds are 100/200 lets say and i raise 3X the BB what is the total amout of chips i have put in the potSince the raise is 3x the BB, and the BB is 200, the raise must be 3x200 = 600.The amount of money put in the pot consists of two components: the amount of money that is put into the pot to call the previous action (sometimes this is nothing) plus the amount of money that is put into the pot to create the new action.In this case, the previous action is the 200 call of the BB. The new action is a 600 raise of the BB. Combined, that total is 800.Whether "common [mis]usage" of the term "raise _X the BB" allows for a different interpretation that provides a different answer, from a mathematical perspective the question is 100% clear and provides a single answer.Frequently, certain terms that have a definitive mathematical interpretation have a common everyday opposite interpretation. The example of the "Let's Make a Deal" question is exactly the kind of popular misconception that we see here, IMO. So many people when posed the "Let's Make a Deal" situation will insist that the answer is 1/2, and will continue to argue it vehemently, even after the correct solution has been interpreted, explained, and re-explained.

This is probably how I'd have explained it if I weren't such an asshole.

[KTW 0]

I said I would not comment further but 1 post caught my eye so I feel I must break my rule 1 time.

haha... when i first voted i expected an overwhelming percentage for 600... i was a bit surprised at how even it came out.I still firmly beleive that "I raise 3x the BB" would mean i put 600 chips in the pot total.It would be nice to have a poker pro comment on this ambiguity.

1 "Pro" has made a comment and does not understand how anyone can read the question word for word and get any answer besides the correct answer of 800. :roll:

[na3r0k 0]

man so confusing, i serriously thought it was 600 also, but now I'm just not sure, everyone makes the valid point, but i do feel i would take the three sources alf mentioned to justify my point. Anyway everyone should just email DN until he just finally answers it in his blog or something. What he says would probably end the argument.

[Spademan 94]

man so confusing, i serriously thought it was 600 also, but now I'm just not sure, everyone makes the valid point, but i do feel i would take the three sources alf mentioned to justify my point. Anyway everyone should just email DN until he just finally answers it in his blog or something. What he says would probably end the argument.

No.You were wrong.I don't care about the "sources".The statement, according to the english language, means 800 total.Period, end of story. It cannot be disputed.Whether people incorrectly accept it as 600 is moot.

[Guest Anonymous]

This is just a small dispute i had with a friend

It depends on your wording.If you are raising "TO" 3x the BB then you put in another 400 to make it 600 total.If you are making a raise "OF" 3x the BB then you put in another 600 which would make it 800 total.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

If you were only going to put 600 in the pot, in a B&M you would usually say "Make it 600". If you said "Raise it 600", you would be on the hook for 800 total.

[Amadeus 0]

So it's just in the wording folksA raise OF 3x the BB would be 800A raise to 3x the BB would be 600

[rog 0]

If you make 35k/year, your boss gives you a $1000/year RAISE, how much are you now making? If the answer is $1000/year, then the 600 crowd is correct.If you put a lift kit on your 4X4 to raise it 6", what's your ground clearance? If it's 6", then 600 is the correct answer.Think about this for a second. They always say the minimum raise is the amount of the last bet or raise. If the last bet was $100, then I can now raise $100. That's the min raise right? According to the 600 group, min raising is actually calling.As for Harrington's book, I think they dont worry about getting the semantics exactly right because I dont think it would occurr to them that their terminology would be used to justify this kind of idiocy. Doesn't everyone know what a $600 raise is? If some dealers let people put less in the pot thean their verbal statement, then shame on them. That's what causes this kind of confusion.

[lboarts 0]

If you make 35k/year, your boss gives you a $1000/year RAISE, how much are you now making? If the answer is $1000/year, then the 600 crowd is correct.If you put a lift kit on your 4X4 to raise it 6", what's your ground clearance? If it's 6", then 600 is the correct answer.Think about this for a second. They always say the minimum raise is the amount of the last bet or raise. If the last bet was $100, then I can now raise $100. That's the min raise right? According to the 600 group, min raising is actually calling.As for Harrington's book, I think they dont worry about getting the semantics exactly right because I dont think it would occurr to them that their terminology would be used to justify this kind of idiocy. Doesn't everyone know what a $600 raise is? If some dealers let people put less in the pot thean their verbal statement, then shame on them. That's what causes this kind of confusion.

Sleeping in english class causes this kind of confusion. Everyone's always trying to blame the dealers for everything.

[speedz99 145]

1. I can't believe this thread went 4 pages2. It's 800. That's just the answer. If you don't understand why, then read the entire thread again. And then deal with it.

[scottyno 0]

you have got to be kidding me, didn't we end this discussion like a year ago?

[lboarts 0]

1. I can't believe this thread went 4 pages2. It's 800. That's just the answer. If you don't understand why, then read the entire thread again. And then deal with it.

I agree with 800, but that poll has got me scratching my head. How can so many people not get it?

[snowmannn 0]

1. I can't believe this thread went 4 pages2. It's 800. That's just the answer. If you don't understand why, then read the entire thread again. And then deal with it.

I agree with 800, but that poll has got me scratching my head. How can so many people not get it?

Most of these people must be from Florida.

[Crack User 0]

hahaahaha its 600 dummies raise 600 means put in 600im a true math geek and whiz so what i say adds weight hereGood luck.

[lboarts 0]

hahaahaha its 600 dummies raise 600 means put in 600im a true math geek and whiz so what i say adds weight hereGood luck.

If you say it enough, you'll start to believe it, then you're on your way to becoming a legend in your own mind.