joeltebbutt 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Just found this on paul phillips blogThere is one hand I probably overplayed but I'm not too broken up about it. Jennifer Harman is constantly raising my blind from late position. She has about 130K, I have about 180K. Par at this point is maybe 60K so we both have large stacks. I call her 4500 raise in the big blind with TT. The flop comes T92. I bet 9000 and she raises to 29000, leaving her with 94K. I move it all-in and she finds a way to lay down aces. Looked at from one perspective this is an egregious waste of a 10-1 favorite, but instead I'll give her credit for a monster laydown... one she might easily not have made. Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewBlack 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 This is old. Nobody cares.Big deal.etc.etc.etc. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I would draw one to the three-card straight with the joker...you have twelve cards which can make a straight out of your 6-7-9-Joker, so go ahead and draw Link to post Share on other sites
Miss J 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 shes my hero Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I would draw one to the three-card straight with the joker...you have twelve cards which can make a straight out of your 6-7-9-Joker, so go ahead and draw :bubblehuh: Link to post Share on other sites
wildspoke 2 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Contrary to others I found your post interesting. It made me think. It bothers me when people post nonsense. If you don’t have anything constructive to say, don’t say anything, Just move along.Getting back to you post. Considering the two players I don’t think it’s was a monumental laydown. I think it was a professional laydown. Meaning most amateurs would not make it. First they are two excellent players. Second they both have above average stacks.Third he calls her raise from the blind. I think she would have called if he raised before the flop.Flop comes T92He bets 9000 a pot sized bet.Now she must be thinking to herself, did he hit that or is he trying to steal. She raises to 20k hoping he lays it down. But instead he moves all in.Does she want to risk her tournament life on top pair? No she’s too good. I heard Phil Gordon talking on his pod cast. He says that’s the difference between pros and amateurs. Amateurs are willing risk their tournament on a top pair. Obviously Jennifer was not. Paul Phillips moves all in. He’s in the big blind. Here is range of hands Jennifer could have put him on: TT, 99, 22. This would make him a huge favorite. Also he could have had T9, T2, 92. Also since he was in the BB he could have had QJ, J8, 78, giving him a straight draw. He could also have a flush draw. We don’t know because he didn’t post what the suits were. Now I have two questions I’d like to ask Paul:I’d be curious if he was throwing away his hands. He said she was constantly raising his blind. If he thinks Harmon has a tell on him. I’ve heard that’s the strongest part of her game.Also I’d be curious too see if people on this forum have laid down aces. Especially with a flop like that. I can think one time I had aces and made the wrong play. I was in one of my first MTTs and there were 3 tables left top 20 pay. I pick up AA in the small blind. A couple of limpers. Button raises. I raise (not huge but enough to isolate him). Everyone folds to the button. He just calls. Flop comes 10, X, X. I’m first to act so I bet. I bet the pot. He raises me all in. I call. He turns up Pocket 10s. I’m done. If that happened now I think would at least consider laying it down (I just missed the money) But laying down aces is a tough thing to do. Thanks for the post. Link to post Share on other sites
Drwnded 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 It's a lot easier considering laying down aces in a b&m tourney for a number of reasons. People play tighter in live tourneys. When they reraise someone who's been playing a hand strongly, it usually means they have a least two pair or trips, unless they're ultra-aggressive.Unlike online, if you bust out of a live tourney, you can't just buy back in to a different one immediately. The buy-ins for live tourneys are also often more costly.Online, if I hold aces and make a 1/2-1X pot sized bet after a flop of say 9-7-3 and somebody reraises, unless they seem like a very tight player, more often than not it means they have something like A,9 or K,9 rather than trips or two pair.I did lay down two red aces in a PP NLHE MTT a while back though when the flop came Q,J,10, all spades and my pot-sized bet was met with an all-in move. They didn't show, but I'm glad a folded since I went on to win 5K in that tourney Link to post Share on other sites
InsanityCubed 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Contrary to others I found your post interesting. It made me think. It bothers me when people post nonsense. If you don’t have anything constructive to say, don’t say anything, Just move along.Big talk from someone named Fartseasily.sw Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I remember getting aces and not folding them to the same situation.UTG with average chip stack, pick up aces, raise 2.5 times the BB, called by seat 5, also called by SB.Flop comes out 10d 4d 6cI moved all in like a donk with my aces. Get called by both.Seat 5 has Kd/Jd SB has pocket 4'sDiamond on river seals the deal.So from this example what do we get??Be causious with aces when the flop comes ragged. One day I will be able to fold pre-flop with aces and after the flop with aces. I still havn't managed to.<3 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 KowboyKoop,I love your "strategy" replies to these random threads... gets me to laugh everytime...Keep up the good work.Zach Link to post Share on other sites
DeadMoneyCrasher 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I folded pocket aces after the flop and turn in one local 200 player tournament. The flop camed 6 8 9 of c, with a 9 D on the turn. The short stack had gone all in pre flop, I had raised pre flop and the guy in third position calls. (I was in the BB).After the flop, I raised, wanting to see if the flush was out there and was again called. On the turn, I bet the pot and the guy in third position goes all in. At the time, I was second chips at the table, the guy all in had the chip lead. So a huge pot.But with a flush draw, a straight draw and a full boat draw on the table, I laid it down. The short stack had red jacks, the all in had red queens. Aces would have held up to win, but with some many cards out there to lose to, calling with the aces was hard to do. Hindsight makes it a bad lay down. Good reason not to dwell on the past hand for any length of time. Link to post Share on other sites
lovedrunk 0 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 that was a great laydown. paul could have easily had an overpair as well. Link to post Share on other sites
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