jayo 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 This is my first post , only playing texas holdem for about 6 months so i will try to explain this as accurate as possible:playing a $50 tourney there was 4 players left ,blinds were 200-400, chips were fairly even , i was third in chip stack , i was on big blind dealt 6s8c . Noone raised so i checked, 3 players involved. flop was 5d 7h 9d . as u can see i hit my straight , sb checked , i checked dealer position raised i think 1200, sb re raised all in , at this stage i am thinking sb has diasmond flush draw , first raiser has open ended straight , after a lot of thought i call the allin ,as does the first raiser .cards turn overas followssb pocket 7s me a straightdealer pos Ad JdIn the end the turn gave dealer a flush and river gave sb a house and knocked both of us out .if i was last to act and both went all in i would still proably have called . i am just wondering should i have folded assuming that one of these plaers was drawing and that if he hit i was out . Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 1) Welcome to the board.2) Post hands like this in the "tournament" section ofthe strategy forum. You'll get much better answers.3) To me, anyways, this is a no brainer call.If there's 3 diamonds on the flop or somethingyou have to be worried, but when you have thenut straight and 2 guys on draws want to put in all their money with drawing hands, youtake that just about every time, I think.and in the spirit of smash, who I'm sure you'llmeet sooner or later...good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You flopped the nuts.There are only 3 hands you should fold to.Chances of them having the combinations of rag diamonds that you'd be worried about are remarkably slim.Obvious you should get your chips in here. Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You should not of checked your option in my opinion, you should of put in a large bet...Granted, they probably might have raised all in regardless in hopes to hit their flush draw, so perhaps it didnt matter, but I dont see why they wouldnt just call if they were on a draw like that, but people are people.Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....Poker is a game of patience, and if you didnt have alot invested in the pot and had no business being in the hand with your junk to begin with, and even though you caught a monster sometimes you just have to let it go...A hard thing to do, but you can always pick a much better spot to put your money in.Considering the particulars of your hand...There is no reason to go broke in an unraised pot. You had no money invested....Just my opinion-P. Link to post Share on other sites
CJHunt 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You should not of checked your option in my opinion, you should of put in a large bet...Granted, they probably might have raised all in regardless in hopes to hit their flush draw, so perhaps it didnt matter, but I dont see why they wouldnt just call if they were on a draw like that, but people are people.Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....Poker is a game of patience, and if you didnt have alot invested in the pot and had no business being in the hand with your junk to begin with, and even though you caught a monster sometimes you just have to let it go...A hard thing to do, but you can always pick a much better spot to put your money in.Considering the particulars of your hand...There is no reason to go broke in an unraised pot. You had no money invested....Just my opinion-P.I agree completly! I hate putting my money in as the favourite!(sw)Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills! Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 heh....I dont see why, I find that very accurate from my experiences....Just because you have the best hand on the flop, doesnt mean you will after the turn on the river....Again, IN THIS SITUATION, there is no reason to go broke here when you have no money invested and your read on your opponent is dead on...He needs that one card for the flush, and sometimes, but not everytime I will not put all my money on top of his to find out wether or not he gets it...It totally depends though, its all situational and hard to call based on that. Im just saying, sometimes its OK to fold the winnning hand on the flop and feel ok about it...Im sure plenty of us have done it, and alot of times felt very relieved we did muck that hand when all is said and done-P. Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills!Im glad it makes you feel better to put down another persons opinions....but its obvious you have no idea what I am talking about or coming from, nor do you even have your own opinion about the hand, so its all good....."oH mY gAwD....I fLoPpeD tHe StRaigHtttt!!.....i aM AlL iNnNnNn!!!" Link to post Share on other sites
jayo 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 thanks for the replys people , just one thing , Pfunk i agree my cards were crap but i was big blind and there was no raise , Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills!Im glad it makes you feel better to put down another persons opinions....but its obvious you have no idea what I am talking about or coming from, nor do you even have your own opinion about the hand, so its all good....."oH mY gAwD....I fLoPpeD tHe StRaigHtttt!!.....i aM AlL iNnNnNn!!!"There are very very very few instances in which you should fold the nuts, this is not one of them.Who let Hellmuth into the forums? Link to post Share on other sites
CJHunt 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills!Im glad it makes you feel better to put down another persons opinions....but its obvious you have no idea what I am talking about or coming from, nor do you even have your own opinion about the hand, so its all good....."oH mY gAwD....I fLoPpeD tHe StRaigHtttt!!.....i aM AlL iNnNnNn!!!"My opinion seemed pretty clear. Are you to stupid to realize what I think was the right play based on my opinion of yours? I make the call everytime and odds dictate thta over a long enough time I will come out on top. The fact that you are trying to FEEL what cards are going ot come doesn't make yo ua good poker player. It makes you a complete fucktard. I'm confident most would agree. Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 jayo- I know you were in the BB, and I really dont think you played this hand wrong at all...Certainly nothing wrong with getting your money in with the best possible hand at the time...But just hopefully you'll understand where Im coming from, and in time through experiencing alot of hands you'll know even better...To everyone else:Hey, I might NOT of folded in this situation, its just a high possibility that I would have as well, everything is situational,a nd if you joksters dont see it or grasp where Im coing from, then well....come play at my games I hope....I'm just saying there might be a situation where a fold here would be ok....AKA if you are really set on winning the tournament or not going broke.A flip of the card and all the sudden he's got the sucker straight is someones holding a 10 8....or someone's got trips and the board pairs and they have a full house...or that 3rd suit comes on the board and there's somebody's flush....If your calling an all in in this situation when you have NO money in the pot to begin with, you wont be able to see these events unfold...you just sit there and watch yourself get sucked out on, and lose a tournamentIf you guys are happy putting all your money in jeopardy in every single situation you have "tHe nUtsSSss!!" then go right ahead...I epxressed my opinion and Im fine with my play- Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills!Im glad it makes you feel better to put down another persons opinions....but its obvious you have no idea what I am talking about or coming from, nor do you even have your own opinion about the hand, so its all good....."oH mY gAwD....I fLoPpeD tHe StRaigHtttt!!.....i aM AlL iNnNnNn!!!"My opinion seemed pretty clear. Are you to stupid to realize what I think was the right play based on my opinion of yours? I make the call everytime and odds dictate thta over a long enough time I will come out on top. The fact that you are trying to FEEL what cards are going ot come doesn't make yo ua good poker player. It makes you a complete fucktard. I'm confident most would agree.You misread what I said...I never said I like to "FEEL" what cards are coming...You are a moron....take two steps back and re-read what I said....Im sure you can't grasp the simple concepts of strategy and basic poker knowledge I am trying to touch on, but its all good...Maybe after you graduate high school and or college (whatever you're in) and have played more then 2 years ago you will understand a little bit more... Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 p.s....who won the hand in question?Doh! Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 p.p.s....If you dont have any kind of "feel" at a table of a situation, your environment, your other players, or of a particular hand, then you are not a very good poker player I would have to imagine.....It has nothing to do with "feeling" what cards are going to come off the deck you dolt.Flame on though, im sure you guys will get alot of laughs at that comment too. Link to post Share on other sites
CJHunt 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down.... One word describes this paragraph....FISHARIFIC!!!!! I know I typically try to FEEL what cards are going to come off on the turn and river. It's one of my many skills!Im glad it makes you feel better to put down another persons opinions....but its obvious you have no idea what I am talking about or coming from, nor do you even have your own opinion about the hand, so its all good....."oH mY gAwD....I fLoPpeD tHe StRaigHtttt!!.....i aM AlL iNnNnNn!!!"My opinion seemed pretty clear. Are you to stupid to realize what I think was the right play based on my opinion of yours? I make the call everytime and odds dictate thta over a long enough time I will come out on top. The fact that you are trying to FEEL what cards are going ot come doesn't make yo ua good poker player. It makes you a complete fucktard. I'm confident most would agree.You misread what I said...I never said I like to "FEEL" what cards are coming...You are a moron....take two steps back and re-read what I said....Im sure you can't grasp the simple concepts of strategy and basic poker knowledge I am trying to touch on, but its all good...Maybe after you graduate high school and or college (whatever you're in) and have played more then 2 years ago you will understand a little bit more...What was that again? And don't presume to know anything about me. Obviously your reads are way off. Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 right...Im sure you're in your mid-30's and have been playing No limit holdem for 12 years back before it was "popular".My read was probably waaay off guessing you've ben playing for no more than 2 years and are in your early to mid twenties-Go read a poker book or something and be more constructive in the matter rather then criticizig others opinions and feedback to other players of the game Link to post Share on other sites
CJHunt 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I love your distraction from the point. Quite nice.Here let me make it easier for you. Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down.... Link to post Share on other sites
PFunk 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Your just mis-understanding what I was touching on...but its ok...Its easy to do through only type on the internet....Butfor you im sure it h appens all the timeIts painfully obvious what I was touching on....you just dont understand I guess-There's no distraction from the point here other than you....Again, offer something intelligent on the matter at hand, or STFU.Done. Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 it's definitely +EV folding the nuts getting 2:1 on your money.PFunk, not only did you make one of the dumbest comments i've ever read, but the way you're defending them is even worse."holy shit, i have AA, flop AKK, i'm folding because if he doesn't have KK, i know he has a king and i feel that he might hit his quads so no way am i in this hand! nu uh buddy, that's why you just limp with aces, to not get yourself too attached." Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 There's no distraction from the point here other than you....Again, offer something intelligent on the matter at hand, or STFU.please take your own advice. intelligent talk is not "fold the nuts if you have a feeling."there are times when reads and stuff come into play...FLOPPING THE NUTS IS NOT ONE OF THEM unless you're trying to extract money, and then your feel is for how much to bet to get him to pay you off. obv that doesn't matter when you have bet and allin in front of me. the only feeling i get there is a hardon from having 2 allins when i flop the nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
TheSkins 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hey, I might NOT of folded in this situation, its just a high possibility that I would have as well, everything is situational,a nd if you joksters dont see it or grasp where Im coing from, then well....come play at my games I hope....I'm just saying there might be a situation where a fold here would be ok....AKA if you are really set on winning the tournament or not going broke. Maybe the latter but not the former. Folding when you're a 2:1 favourite because you're scared to risk all of your money isn't going to win you many NL tournaments.A flip of the card and all the sudden he's got the sucker straight is someones holding a 10 8....or someone's got trips and the board pairs and they have a full house...or that 3rd suit comes on the board and there's somebody's flush....If your calling an all in in this situation when you have NO money in the pot to begin with, you wont be able to see these events unfold...you just sit there and watch yourself get sucked out on, and lose a tournamentIf you guys are happy putting all your money in jeopardy in every single situation you have "tHe nUtsSSss!!" then go right ahead...I epxressed my opinion and Im fine with my play-Yeah, because getting all your money in with the nuts is always a terrible play. You sound incredibly weak-tight. Link to post Share on other sites
jack24bauer24 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 You should not of checked your option in my opinion, you should of put in a large bet...Granted, they probably might have raised all in regardless in hopes to hit their flush draw, so perhaps it didnt matter, but I dont see why they wouldnt just call if they were on a draw like that, but people are people.Its hard, but sometimes you just have to let go of a hand like that...If you know your opponent is drawing to a flush with the board showing two of a certain suit, you just have to feel wether or not you are wanting to put your money down that, that third card isnt coming for them, and also h ow is your luck/momentum running at the time, and how is theirs...Are they catching and sucking out left and right?...Then you might wantt to back down....Poker is a game of patience, and if you didnt have alot invested in the pot and had no business being in the hand with your junk to begin with, and even though you caught a monster sometimes you just have to let it go...A hard thing to do, but you can always pick a much better spot to put your money in.Considering the particulars of your hand...There is no reason to go broke in an unraised pot. You had no money invested....Just my opinion-P.This is incredibly horrible advice. If you are folding the nuts because you are worried someone is on a flush draw and might hit, quit poker right now and never look at a deck of cards again.You can pick a better spot to get your money in than having the best possible hand? Link to post Share on other sites
CJHunt 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 THANK YOU! I was hoping someone from the day side would see this and put this retard in his place because apparently i wasn't getting the point across well enough. Link to post Share on other sites
rsmbox 1 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 quit poker right now and never look at a deck of cards again.excellent advice Link to post Share on other sites
jack24bauer24 0 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 The only way you can fold here, is if you are the greatest player on the face of the earth and can knowingly put one player on the flush draw, the other player on a set, or that someone else already has the straight but also has the flush draw...if you can put them both on a set and flush draw, folding mathematically is correct....however, you'd have to be a combination of Stu Ungar and Doyle Brunson to do so, so there is no way you are folding this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
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