low limit online poker sucks

[bluff2much 0]

Low limit holdem online is killing me. Theres only few positive apsects for me to playing online.Multitabling...more hands per hour.Don't half to tip the dealer/waitress/or pay for jackpotDon't have to pay for gas to and from casino.Lack of smoke online (for most people)The negative part of online; Its harder for me to pick up betting patters because players are coming and going so often. On a table of 8, I would rather play against 6 intermediate to advance players...than 6 new players. Its hard to put new/low limit players on a hand. At those limits when u think your making a value bet on the river then get check raised because someone caught runner runner.The advantage of playing liveI can table talk...which i'm very good at. I don't mean trash talk when u get sucked out on. I mean trying to get your opponnent to call or fold.I can hear and see things at a live table. "i check my pair"...or when a guy strairs at the flop for 10/15 seconds deciding whether or not he wants to bet. Or when someone is calling each bet while looking at his hole cards the entire time...then folding on the river because he missed his draw.You can hit a monte carlo/high hand.Friday and Sat nights at my local casino is great. 5 4-8 games going w/ 1/2 bad players in each game and a soft 10/20 game if i'm feeling adventourous..... not 4/5 bad players in a 6 handed game.and its much easier to develop a table image in a live game than it is online. Do people playing .5/1 even care about table image?why am i playing low limits online...The girlfriend....I don't know which is killing me worse. her or the online play. She can't stand me playing poker. "its all you think about" she say. "honey, in order to get better, you half to put the time in." So i stopped playing live on a daily basis and paid of some credit card debt with my bankroll. I love her what can i say. Now i'm allowed $50 ever other pay period. I lost $50 in like an hour and a half 2 tabling .5/1 short handed. how rediculous is that? So i half to wait a month before i can make another deposit. My AQ gets killed by not only 33 but 45 w/ the board A2Q93. Thats just one example....of what seems to be normal draws at this level. I knew i should have checked the river..Thanks for letting me vent....I could so keep going but i won't....

[Smasharoo 0]

You're just terrible at Holdem.I can't imagie what your losses live were like.Learn how to play then give it another shot.Good luck.

[econ_tim 0]

I think it would be worthwhile for you to learn more about low limit online play.The players at Party Poker are often no worse than the players at $2/$4 or $3/$6 (and higher) games at brick and mortar casinos. While it's true that a lot of players come and go online, I would say the majority sit at a table long enough for you to tell what kind of player they are.If you are depositing $50 at a time, you should probably play lower limits than $.5/$1. A downswing of 50 big bets is fairly common even for good players. And shorthanded games tend to have more dramatic swings.Anyway, if you still feel like playing online in a month, you should read some of the posts in the strategy forum. There's a lot of good information.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Is this really strategy?And 'half' =/ 'have'.

[nutzbuster 7]

Now i'm allowed $50 ever other pay period. :shock: No offense, but man you suck. And replace that prison warden with a REAL girlfriend before it's too late!Best...

[bluff2much 0]

Your right I did loose money playing 4/8...but it was because thats the limit i learned how to play at... and even that was more because of not using my bankroll correctly. i started out w/ a 1,500 and lossed that in about 4 months. I did pay for my girlfriends anniversary ring w/ a $100 buy in. The ring was $1,200....That was last month...i haven't proposed yet. It took my two weeks......she thinks i lost the 100 by the way.... Anyway...ok...so i suck... i can deal w/ that "how do you get better? In every aspect of competition in my life I've gotten better by playing against people who are better than me. And I agree w/ your thought on limit vs no limit which why i play limit.

[nosoul 0]

Any loose game is going to be like that. If you want to feel better about hold-em, try playing on loose 7-stud tables. The bad beats in hold-em are nothing compared to the crap people catch playing stud.If you don't want the swings, don't raise as much. Since nobody's folding, the only reason to raise is for value. So, only raise pre-flop with really strong hands and only raise after the flop if you have the nuts (or really close to it). Check-call more. There'll be enough money in the pot from the people who think they're bluffing (even though nobody folds), or bet because "oh, look, i have a pair!" that you'll get paid off well. And you won't lose as much when they suck out.On the lower tables, it is impossible to pick up on betting patterns and whatnot. Putting people on a hand isn't gonna happen, so just play your own hand and stay in when you're really strong. On the higher tables, you can start reading people. It's freaky, but you CAN pick up on tells online.The lower tables are actually very lucrative, in a BB/hr sense. They're like watching paint dry, though. Forget all the sneaky stuff and just play strong hands. Over time, it'll pay off.

[Smasharoo 0]

In every aspect of competition in my life I've gotten better by playing against people who are better than me.You can't learn to play poker well by playing against people who are better than you.You can learn how to live out of a cardboard box that way, though. Unlike most things in life, poker requires independent understanding of theory seperate from anecdotal experience over the short term. If you lose with AA ten times when you raise it pre-flop but win with it 7/10 times when you limp with it, you might come to the conclusion that it's better to limp with it. It's not.In most things, you get immediate feedback and that's how you learn. In Holdem, you often play a hand perfectly and lose or play it completely wronga and win. It requires study of the relative equities involved at each decision point in a hand to learn to make correct decisions as often as possible.Start playing .05/.10 and post some hands.Good luck.

[bluff2much 0]

If you are depositing $50 at a time, you should probably play lower limits than $.5/$1. A downswing of 50 big bets is fairly common even for good players. And shorthanded games tend to have more dramatic swings.Playing .5/1 is unbearlable enough. The plan is to play .5/1 and i hit about 300-400 wchich i know can be done. and play 1/2 ..... to 600... Then a combination of 1/2 and 2/4 800..... moving back down to 1/2 if hit below 600 and so on and so. then play a combination of 1/2 and 2/4I've designed a new bankroll sheet....because of bad management. It isn't your typical 300bb... it allows my to play a limit higher but only at certain point.

[bluff2much 0]

In every aspect of competition in my life I've gotten better by playing against people who are better than me.You can't learn to play poker well by playing against people who are better than you.You can learn how to live out of a cardboard box that way, though.  Unlike most things in life, poker requires independent understanding of theory seperate from anecdotal experience over the short term.  If you lose with AA ten times when you raise it pre-flop but win with it 7/10 times when you limp with it, you might come to the conclusion that it's better to limp with it.  It's not.In most things, you get immediate feedback and that's how you learn.  In Holdem, you often play a hand perfectly and lose or play it completely wronga and win.  It requires study of the relative equities involved at each decision point in a hand to learn to make correct decisions as often as possible.Start playing .05/.10 and post some hands.Good luck.

I definately agree w/ you. But there is no point at posting hands from a .05/.1 game....Any post that i would put up would be because i got sucked out on. "how could i have played this differently." It doesn't matter... maybe you could have lost less money by checking. You certainly can't raise them out. Perhaps its a different kind of strategy.

[Smasharoo 0]

But there is no point at posting hands from a .05/.1 game....Any post that i would put up would be because i got sucked out on. "how could i have played this differently." It doesn't matter... maybe you could have lost less money by checking. You certainly can't raise them out. This is very likely why you're not very good at limit.Good luck.

[guinevar 0]

I played .05/.10 for over 5k hands and learned a lot. I also made 46 bucks.Check it. Your current bankroll ideas are bad. You'll go broke playing 2/4 with 800. Pots at that level are routinely 50 dollars or more.Hope that helps.

[Tsupa 0]

Dude, I'm with you on the $50 allowance. My wife would only let me deposit $50 a month. I blew through that on Party in no time. The next month I deposited on Bodog and pissed that away in a few days. The third deposit went to PokerStars. I'm up to $3,500 on there now. One big MTT win is all it took I refuse to play limit cash games online anymore. Either I'm terrible at them, or have no luck, i'm leaning towards terrible. I stick with NL, as I feel it's easier to push someone off of a drawing hand, and if you have a calling station at the table you can really get paid off.

[Smasharoo 0]

I stick with NL, as I feel it's easier to push someone off of a drawing hand, and if you have a calling station at the table you can really get paid off.This is because retarded chimps could be the current state of NL games.Nothing wrong with that being the reason you play it. It's got nothing to do with "pushing people off drawing hands" or you excelling at pot size manipulation. You suck at NL, too. You're just playing people who suck even more.Good luck.

[dreamcrusher28 0]

In every aspect of competition in my life I've gotten better by playing against people who are better than me.You can't learn to play poker well by playing against people who are better than you.You can learn how to live out of a cardboard box that way, though.  Unlike most things in life, poker requires independent understanding of theory seperate from anecdotal experience over the short term.  If you lose with AA ten times when you raise it pre-flop but win with it 7/10 times when you limp with it, you might come to the conclusion that it's better to limp with it.  It's not.In most things, you get immediate feedback and that's how you learn.  In Holdem, you often play a hand perfectly and lose or play it completely wronga and win.  It requires study of the relative equities involved at each decision point in a hand to learn to make correct decisions as often as possible.Start playing .05/.10 and post some hands.Good luck.

I definately agree w/ you. But there is no point at posting hands from a .05/.1 game....Any post that i would put up would be because i got sucked out on. "how could i have played this differently." It doesn't matter... maybe you could have lost less money by checking. You certainly can't raise them out. Perhaps its a different kind of strategy.

You couldn't be more wrong!! I just posted my stats from PT for 10K hands recently. Aseem ripped me a new one for being too rockish. He couldn't get over how often I folded to river bets. wrto told me to start stealing more blinds. I'm doing it and boy does it feel good. I'm taking down a lot more pots with my new found aggression. I over indulge sometimes, but I'd rather err on the side of aggression than be a break even "wuss". I'm now killing .50/1.00!!!Buy PT and start posting hands, ur bound to improve!!

[Tsupa 0]

I stick with NL, as I feel it's easier to push someone off of a drawing hand, and if you have a calling station at the table you can really get paid off.This is because retarded chimps could be the current state of NL games.Nothing wrong with that being the reason you play it. It's got nothing to do with "pushing people off drawing hands" or you excelling at pot size manipulation. You suck at NL, too. You're just playing people who suck even more.Good luck.

Thanks for the vote of confidence I'm glad you took the time to critique my NL skills, after the vast hours you've spent monitoring my play. As for the "retarded chimps" in NL games, they seem much worse in the Limit games. Back to the original poster though, you might want to try some low buy-in tournaments. Especially the $5 or $10 rebuys. Those seem to be swimming with people that just want to give their money away. Hell, if I suck as bad as Smasharoo suggest, and even I was able to take one down for $3,500, then there's no reason you can't.Another benefit is if you do win big on one of these, you can brag to your girlfriend and she might loosen the reigns a little bit My wife practically pushes me to play tournaments after she saw the big withdrawal.

[Abbaddabba 0]

There are plenty of retarded chimps in limit games. They've been paying my tuition _and_ rent for the past year. The difference is that the edges you push will be smaller and you won't ever be able to clean someone out on account of one mistake. The nature of limit just prevents them from making huge mistakes. Instead, they make millions of small ones. Bragging about tournament wins _when you win_ is great. Most of the time you won't be making final tables. It just so happens that tournaments pay distribution works so that you get large lump sums, and then streaks of virtually nothing.

[Tsupa 0]

Yah, I agree. Tournaments definately have a higher variance. But when you do win or place high in the money, it's usually a nice chunk of change. Another sugestion for the original poster. Freerolls. They don't pay out much, but they can supplement your $50 each month if you can place high in the money once or twice. Bodog has a $1,000 guaranteed Freeroll that they run quiet often. Partypoker also has one that is $2,500. The partypoker one is tricky though, as it's instantly full the second registration begins. I've only been able to get into that one once. The Bodog one pays $250 for first place (that may vary on the number of players, not sure). Those are the only 2 sites I've found that have decent paying freerolls.

[Smasharoo 0]

They've been paying my tuition _and_ rent for the past year. I find that *stunningly* hard to beleive given your apparent lack of any grasp on theory.Who knows though.Good luck.

[Tsupa 0]

Smash, I'm new here, so please forgive me if I am incorrect. Is your purpose on this site to respond to other peoples posts with insults? If so, keep up the good work!

[Herr Mensch 0]

Smash, I'm new here, so please forgive me if I am incorrect. Is your purpose on this site to respond to other peoples posts with insults? If so, keep up the good work!

You are partially correct.Smash speaks (well, types) the truth. It's often cold, harsh, ugly, and insulting, and a lot of people are too soft to take it. Screw 'em. Mensch

[Abbaddabba 0]

I find that *stunningly* hard to beleive given your apparent lack of any grasp on theory.Who knows though.

Though I'm not too concerned about what you think, I don't think too highly of my "skills" either. It's why i ask posters with more experience for advice, yourself included. I manage though.If i can pull in $5,000 over the course of two months playing roughly 2 or 3 times a week at low stake tables and low buy-in tournaments while lacking any grasp of theory, it's testament to how poor the typical hold 'em player is. Or you could attribute it to variance. Seems like the thing to do thesee days.

[econ_tim 0]

I find that *stunningly* hard to beleive given your apparent lack of any grasp on theory.

He lives in Canada. Everything there is government subsidized.

[Kevin Garceau 0]

50 bucks a month... why dont you get a set and put some real money in. Then when you lose 4-500 by playing like a fool it will be a hard lesson learned. You can continue to lose 50 bucks for 10 straight months and continue to proclaim how low limit sucks, and you have no luck... bla bla blah Sit at the .10/.25 Nl and play correctly and you can make alot of money with less risk of financial ruin of your 50 bucks. There is a ton of money to be made at low limits, play it correctly and capitalize on it. Play for 3 hours leave at 30 bucks profit, do that for 3 months straight and look at your bankroll then. You will be suprised how it adds up quickly. I will have to check but I think I make more playing .25/.5 and .5/1 NL than other limits. People dont think of pushing with crap and giving you 20-30 bucks just like that. Couple of those a session and your way up.Fella that taught me how to play told me... "profit 10 bucks a day, and you have a car payment" well that was a while back so I guess push it to 15 a day now.

[bluff2much 0]

50 bucks a month... why dont you get a set and put some real money in.

Your right I did loose money playing 4/8...but it was because thats the limit i learned how to play at... and even that was more because of not using my bankroll correctly. i started out w/ a 1,500 and lossed that in about 4 months.why am i playing low limits online...The girlfriend....I don't know which is killing me worse. her or the online play. She can't stand me playing poker. "its all you think about" she say. "honey, in order to get better, you half to put the time in." So i stopped playing live on a daily basis and paid of some credit card debt with my bankroll. I love her what can i say.I've put the real money in....i learned by loosing...I know how tp play....I don't like No limit w/ the exception of tourney's....i've play limit since i've started playing. and i'm always trying to improve. Loosing $50 is nothing to me. The frustrating part is having to play at that limit, and only being limited to that much per month. It would be frustrating for anyone to drop in limits like that. The point is I went from playing live 4/8 to online .50/1 limit. These two games are rediculously different, and I'm having a hard time adjusting thats all. Last time I deposited....i was up to 400 in 2 sessions. That did last a couple weeks....but lost it to bad bankroll management....which is whole other issue that i'm working on. I'm just more comfortable at a live table thats all.I've been thinking about playing live tournaments once a week...20 buy-ins...until i can develop a bankroll. Mabye the gf will go for that.