clashcityrocker 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 1800 hands is nothing to scoff at.Especially considering it was spread out among 4 dates.Not like I played 1800 straight on a super-soft table.I'm just really polishing my skills at this level (not like it requires much).If anyone is interested in some of the nuances I've learned, PM me. I'm no pro, but if you play Party 25 NL, I can trade info. with you. Shortly, I'll be at 50NL.BTW, this is without Poker Tracker.BTW, you are my hero.how much do you charge to attend your poker camps?i have about 55 how many hours will that get medrop me a pmPatrick,Is your witty reply directed at me or the OP? Because you include both quotes and I get confused. If you were asking me I'll gladly send you the info via PM.CCRi was talking to the op, sorry to confuse and the bold part i really hope you were joking dudeOf course it was a joke. I'll use one of these next time :wink: . Patrick, this next part is totally unrelated to the thread, but do you play many $5 SNGs on Full Tilt? I was about to register for one yesterday, saw you were registered (you play as patric5, yes?), but then you left. It would be fun to play against you in some of these.definetly man i only have 55 on fulltilt so just 5's for nowi actually talked layne flack into playing one with me so next time hes on ill go hit him up post it in fcp to let you know to register im up for 5 sng now ill just keep an eye out to get in the same one lemme knowPatrick,Go register for one. I'll find you. I sent you a PM also but just in case. Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 Oh, another one. Say you have a pocket pair and its 8d8s. Flop is 2c 7c Jc. And you're against 2 or 3 opponents. You may hold the best hand. However you may want to improve to a set. Always ask yourself, "If i improve, how likely is it that it (the card) helps my opponents?"In this case, you need the 8 of clubs or 8 of hearts to improve. The 8c is highly likely to give someone a flush. This hand isn't worth much. Link to post Share on other sites
93transam 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Yeah, this is probably just a positive swing. Like the above poster said, 1800 hands is very little. Check in with us at 18000.It really doesn't matter does it?.Yes, it matters.Little thing called variance.You'll see. Link to post Share on other sites
T_Mac 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Link to post Share on other sites
augmented 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 oh my god...........i'm speechless. i really hope kokon that you are joking with this crap. this thread has angered me to such an extent that i am gonna go downstairs and eat an enchilada.bye. Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Is this guy serious? He's actually giving out tips and hints too? From 1800 hands of play?Dude, people play more hands that than that in a single day. It actually is something to scoff at as it statistically proves nothing other than a lucky streak.Holy crap I just won 3 alls in in the last 3 consecutive hands! I'm crushing the game at a jillion times the average rate. I'm awesome. You are clearly "forced to move up to 50 NL." The poker Gods demand it as you are clearly the 2nd coming of poker Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
Sudden14 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 lol worst. post. ever. Link to post Share on other sites
GodOfEntropy 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Wow, I did not expect you to actually list the 'nuances' you have picked up from your 1800 hands - I should have included an sw at the end of my post...I really hope this is a joke. If not, then you need to visit the strategy forum to see some really interesting discussion of NL strategy. Link to post Share on other sites
DiverDown4 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 oh my god...........i'm speechless. i really hope kokon that you are joking with this crap. this thread has angered me to such an extent that i am gonna go downstairs and eat an enchilada.bye.haha Link to post Share on other sites
Socko669 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Oh, another one. Say you have a pocket pair and its 8d8s. Flop is 2c 7c Jc. And you're against 2 or 3 opponents. You may hold the best hand. However you may want to improve to a set. Always ask yourself, "If i improve, how likely is it that it (the card) helps my opponents?"In this case, you need the 8 of clubs or 8 of hearts to improve. The 8c is highly likely to give someone a flush. This hand isn't worth much.Wow. I mean wow. Please, for the sake of humanity and poker in general....STFU! Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 now i remember why i prefer 2+2.You guys come here to circle-jerk eachother and pick on people who try top offer strategy.This isn't a poker forum anymore.It's an 18th-century English-countryside all-female tea house.I guess I'm not "in" b/c I don't have an avatar of Family Guy, or someone/thing with tin foil on it's head. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 no this is seriously the best post i've ever read.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 now i remember why i prefer 2+2.You guys come here to circle-jerk eachother and pick on people who try top offer strategy.This isn't a poker forum anymore.It's an 18th-century English-countryside all-female tea house.I guess I'm not "in" b/c I don't have an avatar of Family Guy, or someone/thing with tin foil on it's head.Has nothing to do with being "in".Unless by "in" you mean having a clue as to how stupid boasting and giving tips about an 1800 hand sample size is.Come back at 18,000, then you'll find a little more interest.If I came in and said, "I sat down at a 500 NL table and got pocket A's the very first hand and moved all in. I TRIPLED off of two STUPID callers! I'm making Trillions upon TRILLIONS/BB per second! Now that you know I'm one of the greatest of all time, (as proven by my BB made per second), I will set forth teaching you how to play poker!"I'd get flamed just as hard as you are,even though I'm better looking, more intelligent, funnier and a better lover than you are. Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 now i remember why i prefer 2+2.You guys come here to circle-jerk eachother and pick on people who try top offer strategy.This isn't a poker forum anymore.It's an 18th-century English-countryside all-female tea house.I guess I'm not "in" b/c I don't have an avatar of Family Guy, or someone/thing with tin foil on it's head.Has nothing to do with being "in".Unless by "in" you mean having a clue as to how stupid boasting and giving tips about an 1800 hand sample size is.Come back at 18,000, then you'll find a little more interest.If I came in and said, "I sat down at a 500 NL table and got pocket A's the very first hand and moved all in. I TRIPLED off of two STUPID callers! I'm making Trillions upon TRILLIONS/BB per second! Now that you know I'm one of the greatest of all time, (as proven by my BB made per second), I will set forth teaching you how to play poker!"I'd get flamed just as hard as you are,even though I'm better looking, more intelligent, funnier and a better lover than you are.maybe but you've got awful taste in chicks. Link to post Share on other sites
augmented 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 now i remember why i prefer 2+2.You guys come here to circle-jerk eachother and pick on people who try top offer strategy.This isn't a poker forum anymore.It's an 18th-century English-countryside all-female tea house.I guess I'm not "in" b/c I don't have an avatar of Family Guy, or someone/thing with tin foil on it's head.Has nothing to do with being "in".Unless by "in" you mean having a clue as to how stupid boasting and giving tips about an 1800 hand sample size is.Come back at 18,000, then you'll find a little more interest.If I came in and said, "I sat down at a 500 NL table and got pocket A's the very first hand and moved all in. I TRIPLED off of two STUPID callers! I'm making Trillions upon TRILLIONS/BB per second! Now that you know I'm one of the greatest of all time, (as proven by my BB made per second), I will set forth teaching you how to play poker!"I'd get flamed just as hard as you are,even though I'm better looking, more intelligent, funnier and a better lover than you are.maybe but you've got awful taste in chicks.wow man, owned. spade, you gonna take that?kokon, was it not you yourself who titled this thread "brag post, no content"? and now when you get flamed, as you certainly deserve, for bragging (which by itself is flameworthy, but now you don't even have anything to brag about except 1800 hands, which, yeah, sure, is "nothing to scoff at), you get all defensive. what would you rather hear? "yes, kokon, you're right, you are the greatest player ever to set foot on this earth"? cause we all know that isn't true. and now you act all high and mighty as though you're the only person ever to win money in 1800 hands, and you have the nerve to teach us all your super-advanced "nuances" of NL poker? are you kidding?guys, i just won an 8-man tournament, and i wanna let you guys in on a little secret: when someone moves all in on a short stack, and you are chip leader and you have pocket kings, you should call. in fact, this is an EASY call. why? because he is short-stacked, and likely to push with anything remotely playable, and your kings probably have him beat. and even if they don't, it won't take that much out of your stack. so you should call. anyone want some more nuances of advanced NL tournament strategy? if so, PM me. swand go away kokon. Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 Just thought I'd post for those who may be on a bad streak.There is a ray of hope. 10PTBB/100 is nothing. Shoot for 30, like me. Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 bump.I really am this good. Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 OP is an idiot, thinks he is god gift to poker.Wow I played 1800 hands at .2 / .4 I made some money please stake me at vegas?Shut up please, no one cares. Fair enough to post this, you feel happy, but after 100 people tell you to play more hands and that its an upswing the way you defend yourself makes me wanna puke.I play more hands than this a day. If you notice you made 40 dollars in 800 hands, but you made 80 dollars in 300 hands. Why not just say that you made 800 dollars in 3000 hands?If you have ever studied statistics or anything, you would realise that for data or information to be valid a large sample has to be used, your 1800 hands is not a large sample as you haven't played many scenarios at all.How about me and you play 1800 hansd heads up? I will tell you right now that my bb/100 is not as high as yours, however I can tell you I made over 3000 dollars this week. If your BB / 100 over our 1800 hands together matches the BB / 100 that you have just shown from playing NL .25/.5 I will match the profit you make against me.... Actually I will pay you 2x the amount of money that you made.If you want to take this up PM me or reply to this topic but I really have no time for people bragging about their upswing and then trying to tell people who post valid points how amazing you are. I am sure that even players like Daniel Negreanu would not make a consistent 1000 big blinds / 1800 hands?I played one hand yesterday at 10 / 20, was given ATs made the nut flush and walked away with a 450 dollar pot. I then quit the table, my total profit in this pot was about 300 dollars, this is approximately 15BB / 1 hand. By your method I am making around 1500BB / 100 right and it is consistent yes? Link to post Share on other sites
Socko669 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Could we actually have a bigger doucheclown than Foxwoodspro and Aspiringpro? I think we do...congrats KOKON Steel. You are truly a legend in your own right. We are flaming you for you captain obvious moronic "strat" posts and your downright retarded egoism. You really have nothing to brag about fish. We have all had great streaks like yours. Big F ucking Deal! Link to post Share on other sites
kennyboy 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.a HA! The first Simpsons reference I've seen on here. Well done, my good man! Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 OK, I played 700 hands last night and showed a net -$2.This means I'm +$265 over 2500 hands over 5 days/sessions.I guess you guys were right!Now I'm only crushing the game for 42 bb/100, slightly over double the "recommended crushing rate".I'll probably stop playing poker and go back to hustling 7th graders at HORSE and Around-the-world. I was pullin' in like $18/week until principal Higgins came out and showed me a pile driver the likes of which Sa.tan himself would be proud. My back started hurting me for a couple months so I started playing poker, but I think I finally got my "mad hops" back.Good luck at the tables. I gotta go watch "White Men Can't Jump", get inspired, and go kick some pre-pubescent a$$.-Later,KOKON. Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 OK, I played 700 hands last night and showed a net -$2.This means I'm +$265 over 2500 hands over 5 days/sessions.I guess you guys were right!Now I'm only crushing the game for 42 bb/100, slightly over double the "recommended crushing rate".I'll probably stop playing poker and go back to hustling 7th graders at HORSE and Around-the-world. I was pullin' in like $18/week until principal Higgins came out and showed me a pile driver the likes of which Sa.tan himself would be proud. My back started hurting me for a couple months so I started playing poker, but I think I finally got my "mad hops" back.Good luck at the tables. I gotta go watch "White Men Can't Jump", get inspired, and go kick some pre-pubescent a$$.-Later,KOKON.Oh noes! Only double the recommended rate? Wow another mediocore session and you might be back to the statistical average or below. How could that possibly happen to a rock star such as yourself? You better move up to $50 or even $100 NL games right away to make up for your lost profits.Btw, 2+2 just called. They want you to stop sharing your groundbreaking tips on other forums and wish to publish a book of your strategy. They are putting the next Harrington on Holdem on the back burner to get you educating the masses right away. Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerghost2 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 now that u have posted these groundbreaking nl strategies for all to see, im gonna have to find another way to make some money. alas, the poker world will never be the same. u nimrod, i just hope u that u dont really believe ur good. im honestly not 100% sure ur serious. Link to post Share on other sites
KOKON Steel 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 OK, i just got through 3-tabling and logged 400 hands. +$29That brings my total over 6 days/sessions to +$294 over 2900 hands.Only 40.55 bb/100.I'm still good. It turns out that 700 hand -$2 run was some kind of freak phenomenon. Like a 1 in 1,000,000 type thing. It won't ever happen again, I can assure you all.624 bb more and I've got 20 buy-ins for $50nl. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Link to post Share on other sites
antethief 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I guess I'm not "in" b/c I don't have an avatar of Family Guy, or someone/thing with tin foil on it's head.Lol. I must say I've noticed that too. This forum has slowly degenerated into too much self-indulgent "sw" rubbish since I started viewing it. Shame really.Ok, KOKON seems to have ruffled a few feathers by offering his opinions. Yes, he's only played a small amount of hands, by his own admission. Some ppl obviously think this puts him in a position where he shouldn't dare to offer advice. I disagree; he's told everyone honestly about the level of his experience, whether you choose to accept what he has to say is a matter of judgement. At the very least don't ask to hear it if you're not interested. What I want to know is, why did 'some ppl' here sarcastically taken him up on his offer of advice if they weren't interested?? A pathetic attempt to be humourous?? Trying to show the OP up to be stupid?? To be frank, what a load of self-indulgent shite.There are a lot of egos here, which is fine, but let's not let it get in the way of some poker discussion. I was moderately interested in what the OP had to say, because poker discussion, and not reading goofy posts with "SW" in them, is why I visit FCP. Link to post Share on other sites
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