55 from sb (another strat table hand)

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [5s], [5h]. 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (9 SB) [3s], [9d], [3d] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.50 BB) [5c] (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, .....It felt like I played this hand wrong at the time, but now I'm not sure that I did. How does it look? Also, assuming a blank turn card, how should I approach the turn? (I think check/fold or check/raise/fold are my best options.) Thanks.

[BeanGW 0]

Unless MP2 is KDawg, that was a horrible PF three-bet.I think you may be forgetting that you are in the SB and have pocket 5's. Or else you hate money.Please just call the PF raise from the SB. Aside from that it looks AOK.

[Kendren 1]

Unless MP2 is KDawg, that was a horrible PF three-bet.I think you may be forgetting that you are in the SB and have pocket 5's. Or else you hate money.Please just call the PF raise from the SB. Aside from that it looks AOK.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Unless MP2 is KDawg, that was a horrible PF three-bet.I think you may be forgetting that you are in the SB and have pocket 5's. Or else you hate money.Please just call the PF raise from the SB. Aside from that it looks AOK.

no, it was egarim, and he was playing even more aggro then I have. I was actually playing my nomral game until it got down to 4 handed, then all hell broke loose

[Jordan 1]

can u gay bet him on the turn so he raises you and u 3 bet or is said villian to smart?- Jordan

[Smasharoo 0]

Please just call the PF raise from the SB.That's a joke, right?Or is the goal to get in 3 handed with 55 against 4 overcards instead of 2? Playing for that 8 to 1 flop a set shot are we?

[BeanGW 0]

That's a joke, right?Or is the goal to get in 3 handed with 55 against 4 overcards instead of 2? Playing for that 8 to 1 flop a set shot are we?

Smash: I generally have a very tough time three-betting in this type of situation. This could definitely be a flaw in my game, and I appreciate your guidance. It just seems like a rather costly play, and in loose aggressive games, I can't see it paying off often enough. Especially when we are out of position and make a continuation bet on any flop once we isolate.... and then sometimes, such as here, our uberaggressive villain caps PF. If I am in the CO or button, or I am up against a probable steal from the Button or CO, the isolation play becomes much easier for me.

[Smasharoo 0]

Especially when we are out of position and make a continuation bet on any flop once we isolate.... and then sometimes, such as here, our uberaggressive villain caps PF. Hi. What's the point of calling, then?To check/fold any flop without a 5 or a straight draw??

[looshle 6]

It was against me...

[Egarim 0]

Ya... I definitely don't remember getting owned in this hand... As for kdawg saying i was as aggressive... haha.. I just knew what i was doing which was the difference. I believe i had 3 or 4 free rides in the bb cuz no one wanted to raise me unless they had a hand... xcept for kdawg of course who raises utg w/ kjos and cries when i beat him with a5s. "You called an utg raise with a5s?..." and blah blah about how that's a bad play. Well, u raised utg with kjos... so why is calling with the best hand wrong?Then there's the 3bet from sb with kjos from my lp raise. And I call knowing i have the best hand on low flop with ace high. Turn is king he checks and i check back cuz i see the c/r coming . Apparently 3betting in sb with kjos is the right play according to him (since it worked out this time).

[greatwhite 0]

Preflop I think you should of just called. On the flop you should just raise/call and on the turn you should raise/call too. That's just my opinion.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Then there's the 3bet from sb with kjos from my lp raise. And I call knowing i have the best hand on low flop with ace high. Turn is king he checks and i check back cuz i see the c/r coming . Apparently 3betting in sb with kjos is the right play according to him (since it worked out this time).

it was a button raise by you and you had been raising almost any LP hand that was folded to you. I asked a bunch of players that I respect (ie, not you) and I was told that I made the right play. so keep trying to teach me how to play poker, I'd love to hear how your weak tight style works

[Smasharoo 0]

Preflop I think you should of just called.Hi, can anyone make an actual case of some sort as to why calling here is better than raising??

[nrs02004 0]

I would say this is either a fold, or a raise. However once it gets capped I'm really torn. I think at that point I would slow down a bunch. Maybe bet/fold the flop? I don't really know (you might be getting the right price at that point to call one more small bet). It just seems like you are getting steamrolled until you hit your lucky fullhouse... Unless this guy is one of those cap every pot ppl, I can't imagine that you are ahead...

[BeanGW 0]

Preflop I think you should of just called.Hi, can anyone make an actual case of some sort as to why calling here is better than raising??

Let me start by saying that: 1. When I initially made my response to the OP I didn't know that the raiser was an uberaggressive player. With that information, I can see how a reraise may in fact be correct here. And, 2. I would make the isolation play every time from the CO or Button.Now, why I argue for the call: How about cauz the SSHE chart says so and Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth rarely lead me down the wrong path: :wink: "Against a Raise [from the SB] Same guidelines that you would use from early position against a raise, except add all pocket pairs (as long as one player besides the raiser has also entered the pot)."If you believe from the BB's play that he will call the raise, I think it makes sense to just call. If the BB is especially tight, I have no problem folding.But, Smash, you asked me earlier how I would play it if I just called.In addition to playing it when I hit my hand, I will also take a stab at it on just about any flop against one or two villains (more than that and I'd give up on it when I miss). Basically leading into the flop raiser, I'm using the bet I saved from not reraising PF. If raised on the flop, and I call, I'm using the bet that I'd be spending on a continuation bet most of the time and I get to see the turn.Sometimes the villain has a couple of overcards, doesn't hit the flop, and gives it up when I lead into him. I will admit, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.Also, maybe villain just calls my bet, and probably has a couple of overcards. If the turn is seemingly a blank, I fire out again and fold to a raise. If I'm raised on the flop, usually I call, and reevaluate on the turn... depending on the flop composition, there are times I give it up there.OK... those are my thoughts. I fully expect a complete and total flaming from Smash. Fire at will.

[Smasharoo 0]

(as long as one player besides the raiser has also entered the pot).Hi.Reading is fundemental.

[looshle 6]

3 betting my raise was the right play. I was playing extremely aggressively. I think the OP played it perfectly.

[BeanGW 0]

(as long as one player besides the raiser has also entered the pot).Hi.Reading is fundemental.

Hi. When you are going to flame my poker playing, I expect it, and am glad to see what I'm doing wrong. But, when you are going to flame my reading ability, you might want to learn how to spell first. :wink: What I was getting at is that it seems that SSHE would recommend not reraising because it wants at least three people seeing the flop (seemingly saying that this is better in a lot of cases than spending those extra bets on isolating.) Granted, once again, this would be against a non LAG.I think against a lot of players the decision is at least a close one. The extra value you get out of isolating is in part negated by the extra bets you are spending (both in the reraise and the continuation bet) in a situation where you might not have an equity edge, or are at best a coinflip, + the small additional benefit you would have when you hit your set (or straight draw) and miss out on some extra bets from the BB. I expected a much better flame from you Mr. Smash, and I'd still love a more technical explanation regarding why isolating from out of position against most players is a good idea.