nealdo17 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I am kinda embarassed about posting this because it was a horrible play.Tuesday, I was playing 1-3NLHE at my local B&M (9 handed). I sat down with $100 because I usually can turn that into $500 easy. So I begin building a stack and am comfortably at $330. I have been stealing a pot hear, breaking a guy with a staight,etc. Feeling good. Have a couple beers in me, life is grand. Well then all of a sudden Im in late position with a raise of $15, call, and folds to me. I look down and what do I see? You guessed it, the Krablar. So I make it $38 to go (yes thats an odd bet, I mix it up a lot) and get the orinal raiser and caller to call. The flop comes out 3 8 10 with two hearts. Original raiser makes it $20, smooth call to me. Ok, the pot is now $158 and I am sensing weakness. I am not worried about the original raiser because his pre flop requirements are low as is the caller. I ask the caller how much he has left as if he is the one I am scared of. They both have me covered by no more than $30 a piece. So I have around $290 in front of me. I lean back and count out my chips deliberatley and finally say the words. "Im all in, not getting sucked out on this one." So Im representing pocket 10's, an overpair, or 8-10 at worst. The original raiser takes 5 mins and will not look at me. After much deliberation he calls. FUCK!!! Now the caller says he has a tough decision and he finally calls. The original raiser has pocket 8's and the caller has AA. Im f'd. I need running Kings to win. Obviously that only happens to other prople and not me. The original raiser said to me, I just knew you had 10's but couldnt let go. The other guy said the same. They both made me for 10's and called anyway.Here is the thing. I sensed weakness, boy was I wrong, thats a given. Besides my all in, lets assume I am going to make a play here. What would have been the best way to do it without risking my stack? I know the first thing I should have done was muck it as soon as I saw it. Secondly I should have mucked it after the flop. Obviously I was making a play and had my mind made up. As for strategy, assuming I am going to make a play here, is there any way I can be successful or am I doomed? Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 poo poo mcmuffins Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Just bad timing. There was no way you were going to get the 8s to fold after the flop and there was no way you were going to get AA to fold preflop. Dingleberries! Link to post Share on other sites
jorgen 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 You went all in with absolute garbage, got called by two players who had marginal hands even though they thought you had them beat, you lost. What more is there to say? How could you possibly be successful here? Link to post Share on other sites
JacKingOff_suit 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 You are either trolling this story or you became the victim of the FCP Krablar trolls. Link to post Share on other sites
Governator 54 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Isn't the first rule of the Krabler fold preflop if its been raised infront of you? Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 poo poo mcmuffinsEdit: I always chuckle when I see that one...Gov, you are correct. You raise with it into an unraised pot to show strength..pinch pinch... Link to post Share on other sites
whippedspoon 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 The other two players are not going to think that 3-8-10 is a flop that is going to help you, especially when someone holds AA. They aren't going away.You sensed weakness? With a bet and a call in front of you? Somebody has to have something in their hand better than a pair of threes.And they both had you covered, so it's obviously not the best idea to move in on them with a bluff. Plus your little speech, lame. Even a rank amateur wouldn't buy that garbage. I would call you just because of that. Maybe somebody would buy that nonsense if you had a bunch of bad beats at that table. But not likely. Link to post Share on other sites
Smiggarette 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 You went all in with absolute garbage, got called by two players who had marginal hands even though they thought you had them beat, you lost. What more is there to say? How could you possibly be successful here?Middle set is not marginal. Link to post Share on other sites
jorgen 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal.Yes it is against a set of Tens. The guy said he thought his set of 8s was up against a set ot Ts. The set of 8s was marginal. Yet, he called. Not sure about anyone else, but I am not calling all in with a set of 8s if I'm sure I'm up against a set of Ts. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal.Yes it is against a set of Tens. The guy said he thought his set of 8s was up against a set ot Ts. The set of 8s was marginal. Yet, he called. Not sure about anyone else, but I am not calling all in with a set of 8s if I'm sure I'm up against a set of Ts.If you actually think that anyone should have folded middle set there you are completely out of your mind. Middle set on a board of 10, 8, 3 where the cards are all not of one suit is a spectacular hand. Not marginal in any way shape or form. Do you know what the odds are that you are up against an overset with the 3 8's??If you fold here you shouldnt play poker, period. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. Sounds like you play scared. Link to post Share on other sites
jorgen 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal.If you fold here you shouldnt play poker' date=' period. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. Sounds like you play scared.[/quote']Cane' date=' you need to read more carefully. I didn't say I would fold a set of 8s on a 38T board. I said I would fold a set of 8s to an all in bet if I was SURE I was up against a set of Ts. Obviously, the guy with the set of 8s wasn't sure, or else he wouldn't have called. Obviously his call was right. If we are talking general strategy (i.e. not referring to the OP in any way shape or form), I would assume I have the best hand with a set of 8s until I was proven wrong. If I was putting in a pot-sized bet with my set of 8s and was re-raised all in by a weak-tight rock, then I'd say, let me pick a better spot to lose my stack. So like I said, I wouldn't call all in with a set of 8s if I was sure I was up against a set of Ts. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. I don't play the cards I have, I pay attention to the players at my table and then decide what to do with the cards. Pusing all in with a set of 8s EVERY time on a 38T board is just not right... and folding when it's right is not playing scared, it's profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal.If you fold here you shouldnt play poker' date=' period. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. Sounds like you play scared.[/quote']Cane' date=' you need to read more carefully. I didn't say I would fold a set of 8s on a 38T board. [b']I said I would fold a set of 8s to an all in bet if I was SURE I was up against a set of Ts.[/b] Obviously, the guy with the set of 8s wasn't sure, or else he wouldn't have called. Obviously his call was right. If we are talking general strategy (i.e. not referring to the OP in any way shape or form), I would assume I have the best hand with a set of 8s until I was proven wrong. If I was putting in a pot-sized bet with my set of 8s and was re-raised all in by a weak-tight rock, then I'd say, let me pick a better spot to lose my stack. So like I said, I wouldn't call all in with a set of 8s if I was sure I was up against a set of Ts. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. I don't play the cards I have, I pay attention to the players at my table and then decide what to do with the cards. Pusing all in with a set of 8s EVERY time on a 38T board is just not right... and folding when it's right is not playing scared, it's profitable.This is almost impossible to gather. You can pin point a big pocket pair, even if its aces. You can pin point who has flopped a monster, But if you are against a semi- decent player, there is no way you could put him on a set of ten's remember, Its a cash game, He could have open ended straight flush draw, 3's, K's A's Q's I agree that you dont want to push with a set of 8's, but if someone pushes you all in on that board and you hold a set of 8's, Folding is pure stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites
jorgen 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 This is almost impossible to gather.  You can pin point a big pocket pair, even if its aces.  You can pin point who has flopped a monster,  But if you are against a semi- decent player, there is no way you could put him on a set of ten's  remember, Its a cash game,  He could have open ended straight flush draw, 3's,  K's A's  Q's  I agree that you dont want to push with a set of 8's, but if someone pushes you all in on that board and you hold a set of 8's, Folding is pure stupidity.I agree completely, Royal. It's very hard to put someone on a set of Ts. In most games I play every day, I make a lot of money on that board with a set of 8s. Yet, if you are able to do it, don't call with one out.I don't want to hammer this to death, but my initial point was simply, the guy with a set of 8s said he "knew" he was up against a set of Ts but couldn't let go... that's just stupid. Either you know and let go, or you don't know and play as best as you know how with the information you had. If you're up against someone who calls all in regardless of him "knowing" he has one out, then there's no way you can outplay that guy with a trash hand. Fold your K3 rather than lose your whole stack. Win with your set of 8s against morons who call with K3 and AA. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Ok, so you broke the rule about not raising with the Krablar into a raised pot pre-flop. The poker gods love you anyway. Here is what's so sick. You got running kings. The Krablar came through once again. I assume you said Krablar when you turned over your cards. This is a key that unlocks the Krablar's power. Link to post Share on other sites
rsmbox 1 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I need running Kings to win. Obviously that only happens to other prople and not me.so no, no running kings, no krablar victory, no dance Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 This is almost impossible to gather.  You can pin point a big pocket pair, even if its aces.  You can pin point who has flopped a monster,  But if you are against a semi- decent player, there is no way you could put him on a set of ten's  remember, Its a cash game,  He could have open ended straight flush draw, 3's,  K's A's  Q's  I agree that you dont want to push with a set of 8's, but if someone pushes you all in on that board and you hold a set of 8's, Folding is pure stupidity.I agree completely, Royal. It's very hard to put someone on a set of Ts. In most games I play every day, I make a lot of money on that board with a set of 8s. Yet, if you are able to do it, don't call with one out.I don't want to hammer this to death, but my initial point was simply, the guy with a set of 8s said he "knew" he was up against a set of Ts but couldn't let go... that's just stupid. Either you know and let go, or you don't know and play as best as you know how with the information you had. If you're up against someone who calls all in regardless of him "knowing" he has one out, then there's no way you can outplay that guy with a trash hand. Fold your K3 rather than lose your whole stack. Win with your set of 8s against morons who call with K3 and AA.Ok. I agree with you there. If he "knew" he was up against Tens, then he is a moron.But on the other hand, He didnt know.. he thought he knew, and turns out he was very wrong., Anyways., from my view, with that flop. I'm probably checking as first to act. but the original raiser bet 20, which is Ok. its a small bet, but u want a raise, here. and he got one, a great one. the guy pushed all in.Now that pot is not large enough to push all in when you have a strong hand.If you hold top set, or your up against someone who you think holds top set, why are they pushing all in on a 20.00 bet. which is 1/8 of the pot.doesnt seem right for some reason.If i put him on pocket pair, and he re-raised pre flop with 10,10 then the flop comes and he has top set, in a *cash game* i cant justify throwing away 8's to that play.If you examine that hand as the guy who holds 8's, it seems very very fishy to try to put him on 10's. I call this no matter what Link to post Share on other sites
kevo 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 what's krablar Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 what's krablardont ask stay away from it Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I need running Kings to win. Obviously that only happens to other prople and not me.so no, no running kings, no krablar victory, no danceNeal sold himself short... what about the running three's??? Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal.If you fold here you shouldnt play poker' date=' period. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. Sounds like you play scared.[/quote']Cane' date=' you need to read more carefully. I didn't say I would fold a set of 8s on a 38T board. [b']I said I would fold a set of 8s to an all in bet if I was SURE I was up against a set of Ts.[/b] Obviously, the guy with the set of 8s wasn't sure, or else he wouldn't have called. Obviously his call was right. If we are talking general strategy (i.e. not referring to the OP in any way shape or form), I would assume I have the best hand with a set of 8s until I was proven wrong. If I was putting in a pot-sized bet with my set of 8s and was re-raised all in by a weak-tight rock, then I'd say, let me pick a better spot to lose my stack. So like I said, I wouldn't call all in with a set of 8s if I was sure I was up against a set of Ts. If some guy actually has pocket tens then thats poker. I don't play the cards I have, I pay attention to the players at my table and then decide what to do with the cards. Pusing all in with a set of 8s EVERY time on a 38T board is just not right... and folding when it's right is not playing scared, it's profitable.This is almost impossible to gather. You can pin point a big pocket pair, even if its aces. You can pin point who has flopped a monster, But if you are against a semi- decent player, there is no way you could put him on a set of ten's remember, Its a cash game, He could have open ended straight flush draw, 3's, K's A's Q's I agree that you dont want to push with a set of 8's, but if someone pushes you all in on that board and you hold a set of 8's, Folding is pure stupidity.thank you royal for clarifying my point. short of the guy showing you his cards it is really really hard to "Put" someone on top set. I play my opponents as well but boy I would have to be soooo sure about his hand to drop middle set on the flop.You make it sound like it is so easy to place people on cards. Thats why with that strong a hand I will usually just bite the bullet and push even if I suspect a guy may have the overset. More often than not the guy has an overpair not an overset. Link to post Share on other sites
majorleag 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Besides everything else that's been said, I agree that the worst thing you did in my opinion is talking and acting like you were strong.If you really have a strong hand you want a call and are not going to talk. I never talk at the table as a general rule when I am in the hand. The same mistake can be made online. Last night I was in a tourney and had K,Q after the flop there was a Queen and nothing else scary. I bet strong and the only other guy in the hand types "Your Ace, Queen is good against my Ace, King and then proceeds to go all in. I go into the tank for ahwile and I have him more than covered and I was already convinced that the queens were good since he checked to me and had he said nothing and simply gone all in I would have folded but his comments convinced me that he had exactly what he said.Now, why would you say you are beat by the queens, then tell everyone at the table what you have and what you think I have that beats you, and then proceed to go all in?Strange but I was thankful!It makes no sense to talk or type and give away information. If someone wants information you should make them pay for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Razor 0 Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Middle set is not marginal. Yes it is against a set of Tens. The guy said he thought his set of 8s was up against a set ot Ts. The set of 8s was marginal. Yet, he called. Not sure about anyone else, but I am not calling all in with a set of 8s if I'm sure I'm up against a set of Ts.Middle set vs. Top set is much, much, much worse than marginal.Not sure why I felt the need to make this comment. Work is slow. Link to post Share on other sites
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