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Okay fellas, over the last month I have decided to exclusively play SNG's. I'm keeping detailed stats on everything I do, and after 370, my ROI is at 32% and I'm ITM 42%. I've never really kept detailed stats for any of my play, and this is has been my attempt to take my play serisously, and keep myself from duming my winnings from HE at the Omaha 8 table. Anyway, I was just wondering what %'s other SNG players have out there. And what level people think the SNG competition becomes tougher. I play mainly $20 or $30.

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Okay fellas, over the last month I have decided to exclusively play SNG's. I'm keeping detailed stats on everything I do, and after 370, my ROI is at 32% and I'm ITM 42%. I've never really kept detailed stats for any of my play, and this is has been my attempt to take my play serisously, and keep myself from duming my winnings from HE at the Omaha 8 table. Anyway, I was just wondering what %'s other SNG players have out there. And what level people think the SNG competition becomes tougher. I play mainly $20 or $30.
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Okay fellas, over the last month I have decided to exclusively play SNG's. I'm keeping detailed stats on everything I do, and after 370, my ROI is at 32% and I'm ITM 42%. I've never really kept detailed stats for any of my play, and this is has been my attempt to take my play serisously, and keep myself from duming my winnings from HE at the Omaha 8 table. Anyway, I was just wondering what %'s other SNG players have out there. And what level people think the SNG competition becomes tougher. I play mainly $20 or $30.
Your ROI and ITM numbers are at the high end of the average range, so you're doing fine. There's a lot of discussion about this on the 2+2 forums as well (look under single table tournaments). Assuming you're talking about NLHE SnGs, difficulty depends on the site. Party seems to be soft up to the $50 level. UB starts to get tough at $20 and higher (depending on the night, fridays and saturdays are the exception, especially late at night, where there are a lot of loose players everywhere). At UB there is a huge difference in opponent difficulty between $10 and $20, but after that, it doesn't change much from what I've seen (although I don't play many $100's there, and never above that. Much better to go to Party). Stars I've played at sparingly, but seems to be a little tougher than Party, but not significantly so.And of course there is noble poker, lol, that I've been pushing lately. Soft, and their contest has me hooked, even if they are just $10 SnGs. Win 7 in a row...1 million bucks (Y).
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Okay fellas, over the last month I have decided to exclusively play SNG's. I'm keeping detailed stats on everything I do, and after 370, my ROI is at 32% and I'm ITM 42%. I've never really kept detailed stats for any of my play, and this is has been my attempt to take my play serisously, and keep myself from duming my winnings from HE at the Omaha 8 table. Anyway, I was just wondering what %'s other SNG players have out there. And what level people think the SNG competition becomes tougher. I play mainly $20 or $30.
I almost exclusively play SNGs also, mainly $5 or $10 on Full Tilt. However, I have played some $20 SNGs and the level of competition seemed no different. I don't keep stats, although I know I profit in these SNGs as my account balance is steadily rising.I have a similar problem to you, in that I tend to fritter away some of my SNG winnings at the end of the day, usually playing in a $0.25/$0.50 NL ring game, and gambling more than I should. I guess you could call it a release, but my mindset when I enter these NL games at the end of the day is that I don't mind losing what I sit in with (I will usually buy in for the minimum). Definitely somthing I need to work on.
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Cool, thanks for the feedback, I'm checking out some of the 2+2 posts right now.
Another good reference, if you haven't read them already, are the Harrington books. Based on your stats, volume 1 will probably be all familiar material to you, although I felt that it helped me better articulate some of the things I was only casually aware of. Some advice on betting amounts for continuation and probe bets is also really good. Volume 2 was great, especially the talk about inflection points. For a SnG, when you're playing tight at first and then have to loosen up later down the line, it gave me some new ideas as to when to maybe open up a little early, depending on what's going on around the table and what the chip distribution is.
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I usually right all my notes on my PDA and then transfer them onto pokercharts, but I've been slackin on transfering them to PC.But I mostly play nothing but Sng's and MTT's and dabble into the cash games once in awhile.Do you do 1 at a time or multi-table?

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I usually right all my notes on my PDA and then transfer them onto pokercharts, but I've been slackin on transfering them to PC.But I mostly play nothing but Sng's and MTT's and dabble into the cash games once in awhile.Do you do 1 at a time or multi-table?
I find multi-tabling SnGs to be a risky business. The amount of attention you have to pay to what's going on around you is too high, IMO. By multitabling, I feel I lose too many steal opportunities, and am more likely to find himself in situations where I have no read on my opponent.If I'm going to multi-table, I'll usually stagger the starts, firing up a new one when I'm in the money already in the first, so that while I'm folding 90% of my hands in one, I'm taking out the last two opponents in the original, lol. If I get severely short-stacked as well at any point, I will usually do the same thing.I usually like to play for no more than 2-3 hours without taking a 15 minute break, and as each SnG takes about an hour, I don't stagger too many starts.
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I love the 20 person SNG's on Pacific. I think they are the softest around and are the only thing I play there. I just wish I could do more than one at a time.

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I've glanced at Harrington's books, but I've never really studied them. I usually play 2/3 tables at a time. If I'm one tabling, I get bored, and if I 4 table, my ITM % goes down. clashcity, I've been doing the same thing for a while. The other day I made a good profit playing SNG's, and then sat down at the PL Omaha 8 table. I flop a made straight, with the nut flush draw, and the 2nd nut low draw. There's a betting war and I end up all in. The turn bricks and the board pairs on the river. Long story short, he made a full house and I missed my low hand, and my entire night's profit was gone in one hand. You also might want to check out the SNG spreadsheet here. I don't use Poker Tracker but this has really helped me out. http://vindikation.com/misc/SUPER.zip

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I love the 20 person SNG's on Pacific. I think they are the softest around and are the only thing I play there. I just wish I could do more than one at a time.
Suprisingly the 18 person sng's that I've played at DR usually last only up to an hour most of the times.
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Dank:I've recently been conducting a very unscientific SnG experiment at Party Poker - comparing their STEP trnys to see if they are better than just simply entering the same buy in regular SnG's.At the start I thought the regular SnG's would be better value as you get paid more for 2nd and 3rd than in the Steps (Mini Step 1) But on the other hand its very very hard to lose your buy in in Mini Step 1 and thus its basically a freeroll at the $22 Step 2. And I have had more 4th place finishes than anything else at the SnG's.So far after 9 tries I have three Step 2's, 4 Step 1's and a $4 for 6th. (Out in 10th in one try, I said it was hard to lose your buy in not impossible !!! :club: ) For a "profit" of $40. Of course I have not one cent of spendable money as profit but am in fact $54 real spending $ in the hole. It all depends on how I do when I replay the Step 1 freerolls and eventually play the steps 2's.In the SnG's I am $10 ahead. Not as much as in the steps but they are all spendable dollars.My plan is to spend $100 on the steps. I will keep paying for the buy ins in cash until I have spent $100. Then I will play out all the Step 1 freerolls until I have only Step 2's. Then after I have used all the Step 2's I will go back to use up all the Step 1s I was paid ayt level 2 until I have only Steps 2's and 3's left. Then I use all the Step 2's again and so on I go using all the lowest steps until I have only the higher steps left. And every time I enter a step SnG at any level I will play a $5 SnG to "match" it. I don't plan on this experiment being over any time soon. Lol. But Its kinda a sideline for me at the moment to see if the Original Steps or Steps Higher would be worth taking a serious run at.

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dank, thanks for the link, but I can't get it to work.As we are talking about SNGs, I need some advice. I played in one earlier today where I lasted fifty hands. Out of these fifty hands, I did not consider one of them to be playable (taking into account position, betting action in the hand etc). The best hand I was dealt was Ace Ten of Hearts early on, and I think there had already been a raise and a re-raise in that hand.What do you all do when you are dealt such bad cards for such an extended period of time in a SNG? I ended up pushing with Eight Nine of Clubs on the 50th hand (blinds were 100/200 I think, had about 750 of the 1500 starting chips left), was called by Queen King off suit, and I was out without winning one single hand! I know you don't necessarily need great cards to win, but I was dealt complete junk and didn't get any opportunities to make any moves.Any advice would be appreciated here.CCR

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I got that link out of an old thread on here, so I don't know why it wouldn't work. If you want to check it out, you can PM me with your email address and I'll send over a copy when I get home from work. There's not a whole lot you can do when you're getting cold decked like that. I try and be as patient as possible, and I'm willing to play really short stacked if the table is super agressive. I usually play on Bodog, and you start with 1000 chips there. There are times when I'll let myself get down to 3-400 before I'll get desparate. I understand your pain though, many times I have been forced to play suited connectors the same way. Nothing you can do put push and pray. I've never played any of the PP steps. I used instantbankroll and didn't end up playing much there, just some rings and then I cashed out. But now that I'm actually reading about them online, and they seem like they might be worth it. Anyone else have any comments on these?

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If you are > 40% in the money then you are in pretty good shape. I've been hovering in the 45-47% range. Another thing to keep in mind is where you finish once you hit the money. I play a lot of low-level SNGs and I tend to make first or second 70-80% of the time when I'm in the money (on average the average player will hit 1st or 2nd 2/3rds of the time when they're in the final three, obviously). I've found that minimizing third place finishing is essential, and a lot of players loosen up once they are guaranteed pay.

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What do you all do when you are dealt such bad cards for such an extended period of time in a SNG? I ended up pushing with Eight Nine of Clubs on the 50th hand (blinds were 100/200 I think, had about 750 of the 1500 starting chips left), was called by Queen King off suit, and I was out without winning one single hand! I know you don't necessarily need great cards to win, but I was dealt complete junk and didn't get any opportunities to make any moves.
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Okay fellas, over the last month I have decided to exclusively play SNG's. I'm keeping detailed stats on everything I do, and after 370, my ROI is at 32% and I'm ITM 42%. I've never really kept detailed stats for any of my play, and this is has been my attempt to take my play serisously, and keep myself from duming my winnings from HE at the Omaha 8 table. Anyway, I was just wondering what %'s other SNG players have out there. And what level people think the SNG competition becomes tougher. I play mainly $20 or $30.
Check out my blog. I am almost exclusively a sit and go player, so you should find some decent info there.
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I found the spreadsheet I was talking about. Actually, I think this is a new version of it, it looks a little bit better than the one I have. As you can tell, I'm really busy at work today, that's why I tood the afternoon to find this thing.http://www.mowrmowr.com/poker/SUPER_SNG_w_..._UI_PT_w2.5.zipor if that doesn't workhttp://www.mowrmowr.com/poker/it's the one on the bottom.

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Dank:I've recently been conducting a very unscientific SnG experiment at Party Poker - comparing their STEP trnys to see if they are better than just simply entering the same buy in regular SnG's.At the start I thought the regular SnG's would be better value as you get paid more for 2nd and 3rd than in the Steps (Mini Step 1) But on the other hand its very very hard to lose your buy in in Mini Step 1 and thus its basically a freeroll at the $22 Step 2. And I have had more 4th place finishes than anything else at the SnG's.So far after 9 tries I have three Step 2's, 4 Step 1's and a $4 for 6th. (Out in 10th in one try, I said it was hard to lose your buy in not impossible !!! :club: ) For a "profit" of $40. Of course I have not one cent of spendable money as profit but am in fact $54 real spending $ in the hole. It all depends on how I do when I replay the Step 1 freerolls and eventually play the steps 2's.In the SnG's I am $10 ahead. Not as much as in the steps but they are all spendable dollars.My plan is to spend $100 on the steps. I will keep paying for the buy ins in cash until I have spent $100. Then I will play out all the Step 1 freerolls until I have only Step 2's. Then after I have used all the Step 2's I will go back to use up all the Step 1s I was paid ayt level 2 until I have only Steps 2's and 3's left. Then I use all the Step 2's again and so on I go using all the lowest steps until I have only the higher steps left. And every time I enter a step SnG at any level I will play a $5 SnG to "match" it. I don't plan on this experiment being over any time soon. Lol. But Its kinda a sideline for me at the moment to see if the Original Steps or Steps Higher would be worth taking a serious run at.
I was going to ask if anyone else had tried the steps. I think this is a great and relatively inexpensive way if you don't get stupid to have the potential to win some pretty decent money without going broke in the process.I played a couple of weeks ago on the original steps and got all the way to step 5 in one sitting from my orginal $11.00 playing carefully. Once you get to step 5 it pays 4 places out of ten with 4th paying $1,200. I misplayed one hand and got sucked out and it was bye, bye for me. I will definitely try it again though because if you are any good at all at SnG's and play a decent game 2 people advance out of 10 each step so your odds are decent at getting to the final step cheap. To get to a $1,000 buy in SnG for an $11.00 investment I thought was a hell of a value.
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I found the spreadsheet I was talking about. Actually, I think this is a new version of it, it looks a little bit better than the one I have. As you can tell, I'm really busy at work today, that's why I tood the afternoon to find this thing.http://www.mowrmowr.com/poker/SUPER_SNG_w_..._UI_PT_w2.5.zipor if that doesn't workhttp://www.mowrmowr.com/poker/it's the one on the bottom.
Thanks dank. I shall start recording my results from tomorrow.
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I personally think the Full Tilt $20s are a lot different from the $5s and $10s.Granted I don't have a big enough sample size to say for sure, but I've noticed the $20s to be easier to beat than the $5 - $10s cuz more guys are playing "good" poker.Easier to put ppl on hands, etc...When I played at UB I played the $20 SNGs and may ITM was around 45-50%....I personally hate SNGS at any other site besides FT and UB, but have never played at Poker Stars.I'll play MTT here and there on pokerroom/powerplayer but other than those tournies I stay away from their SnGs cuz the structures suck- Jordan

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[i was going to ask if anyone else had tried the steps. I think this is a great and relatively inexpensive way if you don't get stupid to have the potential to win some pretty decent money without going broke in the process.I played a couple of weeks ago on the original steps and got all the way to step 5 in one sitting from my orginal $11.00 playing carefully. Once you get to step 5 it pays 4 places out of ten with 4th paying $1,200. I misplayed one hand and got sucked out and it was bye, bye for me. I will definitely try it again though because if you are any good at all at SnG's and play a decent game 2 people advance out of 10 each step so your odds are decent at getting to the final step cheap. To get to a $1,000 buy in SnG for an $11.00 investment I thought was a hell of a value.
From one Major to another: nice work getting to the Step 5. I've yet to reach those giddy heights as I'm trying to play out all my free roles etc. But - thats the downside - a lot of hard work potentially for no reward - but sure thats the joy of Poker! But in this case the rewards are certainly tempting - and its an interesting twist to regular SnG's. Good luck.
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/sigh but I wont. SNGs are a very poor way to make a profit in the long run for most people. With this said they are a great way to learn the basics of poker inexpensivly. Also while they are not profitable for the majority, I did have dinner with a pro during day 2 of the ME who plays sngs from 20k-200k as his primary source of income. For the most part though after you learn the basics you will be better off (IMO) playing cash games, or MTTs.

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