wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I get drawn out on so much I think it's going to make me sick! TPTK is never good to the river. Two pair doesn't even hold up as much as it shuld. I need to get my act together, or i'll have to go back to stars. I know that all I need is that good run of cards where all my TPTK and whatnots hold up. It just hasnt happened yet. How do yall deal with this!!!! :x Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 A friend in my local group said he plays party sitngos exclusively, and that they've actually affected his live play for the worse because party is a completely different kind of poker. Hence why I'm sticking to stars and fulltilt Link to post Share on other sites
megacake 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Whats different about Party Poker? Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 I think it's an unwritten rule that folding is not allowed. Under any surcumstances. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 I always thought that them not folding is a good thing. I have to play for a while and see. Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Hand 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Long-term, their chasing is a good thing for you. Short-term, it can be frustrating. You will win fewer pots than you might expect in these types of games, but the pots that you win will be much larger than usual. I don't mean the following comments to be directed at you personally, but just as a statement in general. Sometimes TPTK does worse than it should because people don't play it as aggressively as they should. I hear comments like "Well, the turn card could have made someone a straight, and the way my luck's been running someone was bound to have it, so I just checked." It's also important to remember that if the pot is large before the flop - four or more players putting in two bets preflop - than a lot of those "no fold em" players are usually getting correct odds to chase for at least one card, and often to see the river. So while their preflop play is usually poor if they're cold calling rasies with connectors, their post-flop play may not be as bad as you think. Link to post Share on other sites
GoBucksIndy 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 "I think it's an unwritten rule that folding is not allowed. Under any surcumstances."That is definately the rule in the S&Gs. Just play solid and don't bluff. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 Long-term, their chasing is a good thing for you. Short-term, it can be frustrating. You will win fewer pots than you might expect in these types of games, but the pots that you win will be much larger than usual. I don't mean the following comments to be directed at you personally, but just as a statement in general. Sometimes TPTK does worse than it should because people don't play it as aggressively as they should. I hear comments like "Well, the turn card could have made someone a straight, and the way my luck's been running someone was bound to have it, so I just checked." It's also important to remember that if the pot is large before the flop - four or more players putting in two bets preflop - than a lot of those "no fold em" players are usually getting correct odds to chase for at least one card, and often to see the river. So while their preflop play is usually poor if they're cold calling rasies with connectors, their post-flop play may not be as bad as you think.My favorite thing to do is raise. For the last year i've been getting the folding down...but raising just comes natural. Link to post Share on other sites
ErikM 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 TPTK?Two pair top kicker? Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Whats different about Party Poker?sng's are normal blinds, but starting chip count is 800 Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Hand 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Whats different about Party Poker?sng's are normal blinds, but starting chip count is 800At the $30 SNGs and below. $50 SNGs and up, starting chip count is 1000. Link to post Share on other sites
mx957 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 TPTK?Two pair top kicker?TPTK = Top Pair Top Kicker Link to post Share on other sites
Pupsta 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Whats different about Party Poker?sng's are normal blinds, but starting chip count is 800At the $30 SNGs and below. $50 SNGs and up, starting chip count is 1000.well the people in my poker group don't have the roll to run the $50's, and from what they said, the play at the $50's is worse than the ones at the $5's.Give me my 1500 starting stacks anyday Link to post Share on other sites
codyscherer 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Party poker sng's can be good and bad. You can go on good runs and bad ones. Since you only start with 800 chips, you dont have much time to build a stack and with the blinds low every one plays hands there even if you raise 8 times the big blind. You will have 3 people to see every flop. If cards are running bad, party poker will cost you quick. But if they are running good, then you can win big quick. With the amount of chasers and players there, you just have to play solid and hope for the best. I personally stopped playing there because I was getting sucked out too many times and it effected my play. That is the last thing you want to do. Since you are baffled and frustrated a bit, I suggest switching sites for a week or so. A change in atmosphere might help. Also, what are you playing on PP. If it is SNG's, I suggest playing the 2 or 3 table ones there. You start with more chips (1000) and players there knock themselves out so fast they only last about 1 hour and the pay is better and since they knock themselves out so fast you can gain chips from more players bad plays. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Just be patient.Beating the bad players is how you make money. Link to post Share on other sites
Tritz 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Yes, but Party Poker does tend to want to make me throw up all over myself. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 I've almost lost all of my bonus today...it's been bad. Sitting at a table with 2 maniacs (you know the type: bet raise anything). One raises and I have position on him so I 3 bet KTs. Flop comes K62 all offsuit. The betting is capped on the flop, turn is a 2 (betting is capped again) river is a 6 giving him a full-house!!Patience, huh. I feel like i'm getting ****ed in the *** with no KY. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 This is why you play with a 300BB bankroll. So that a bad day is no big deal.The good days will massively offset them, trust me.Be able to book a losing day and not be upset about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I've almost lost all of my bonus today...it's been bad. Sitting at a table with 2 maniacs (you know the type: bet raise anything). One raises and I have position on him so I 3 bet KTs. Flop comes K62 all offsuit. The betting is capped on the flop, turn is a 2 (betting is capped again) river is a 6 giving him a full-house!!Patience, huh. I feel like i'm getting ****ed in the *** with no KY.I don't enjoy playing at Party poker anymore myself. If I play online I try to keep it at UB (atleast the majority of my $). UB plays much tighter than Party, but the suckouts seem to happen less. Just my opinion, I'm sure there is a counter-argument, but play where you know you win and where your game is working.Or it may just be a bad run of cards. That happens as I'm sure we all know.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
GoBucksIndy 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 "One raises and I have position on him so I 3 bet KTs. Flop comes K62 all offsuit. The betting is capped on the flop, turn is a 2 (betting is capped again)"Just my 2 cents but why are you 3 betting with KT suited preflop and calling a capped flop with just top pair and an average kicker. Let the maniacs be maniacs and just sit back and play solid hands. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 because he was raising 64 osMy KT is way ahead, and worth 3 bets, especially since I got him heads up. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 If I play online I try to keep it at UB (atleast the majority of my $). UB plays much tighter than Party, but the suckouts seem to happen less. Just my opinion, I'm sure there is a counter-argument, but play where you know you win and where your game is working. Yeah, I like to play in tighter games where I win less money!Yay! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I agree KTs isn't worthy of re-raising PF.You have to nail the flop to stay in the hand at that point. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 no I don't! K high will beat his 6 high most of the time! Anyone agree with me here!? 3 bet the maniac with marginal hands. It's +EV. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 If I play online I try to keep it at UB (atleast the majority of my $). UB plays much tighter than Party, but the suckouts seem to happen less. Just my opinion, I'm sure there is a counter-argument, but play where you know you win and where your game is working. Yeah, I like to play in tighter games where I win less money!Yay!Ok...I prefer UB because their SnGs are better run than party poker as well. More chips, longer blinds, etc.I don't mind loose games, but I prefer playing them live, not as much online.Happy now? Geez man.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
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