3-6 small flush

[justblaze 0]

am i a pussy on the end? first hand, no reads. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [5d], [9d]. Hero posts a blind of $3. 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (5.33 SB) [4d], [Jd], [2s] (5 players)BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.Turn: (5.66 BB) [3h] (3 players)MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.River: (8.66 BB) [3d] (3 players)MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11.66 BB

[custom36 5]

So, you stayed in to make your flush. Then, when you made it, you called? WEAK. Raise that.

[justblaze 0]

So, you stayed in to make your flush. Then, when you made it, you called? WEAK. Raise that.

even with the paired board?

[custom36 5]

So, you stayed in to make your flush. Then, when you made it, you called? WEAK. Raise that.

even with the paired board?

Yup.

[akishore 0]

oh, boo hoo, look at me, i don't raise my flush because the board paired the little card. yeah, raise that mofo.aseem

[speedz99 145]

No raise on the turn with open ended and flush draws? You could get them to fold and look good for the river...

[akishore 0]

No raise on the turn with open ended and flush draws? You could get them to fold and look good for the river...

what?you're saying we might win a showdown unimproved?and why would he raise to knock out the player behind him?aseem

[akishore 0]

now you want to make it interesting... have MP1 check, MP3 bet, and add another player behind you.THEN, you call and go for overcalls, IMHO.aseem

[justblaze 0]

No raise on the turn with open ended and flush draws? You could get them to fold and look good for the river...

i wanted the EP player to call, and i didnt think hed call 2 bets cold (he would have, actually, with his damn J3 - river rat )

[speedz99 145]

you're saying we might win a showdown unimproved?No, I'm saying that assuming he is not raising the river even with the flush (which is suspect), these are the options for the turn...1. Call and check your low flush on the river (boo!)2. Raise and everyone else folds (not likely, but occasionally)3. Raise and miss everything (lose an extra bb)4. Raise and hit, in which case you've won an extra bb from whoever called your turn raise Ok, looking at my options raising the turn would be stupid. But that was my thought process.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

So, you stayed in to make your flush.  Then, when you made it, you called?  WEAK.  Raise that.

I'm not totally sure here - can you put MP1 on anything here except a full house or another flush? And if he has another flush, I imagine it will be better than ours more often than not. I think I actually like the call on the end.(EDIT: I think a full house is pretty unlikely, I think this is almost always another flush.)

[custom36 5]

So, you stayed in to make your flush.  Then, when you made it, you called?  WEAK.  Raise that.

I'm not totally sure here - can you put MP1 on anything here except a full house or another flush? And if he has another flush, I imagine it will be better than ours more often than not. I think I actually like the call on the end.

I can easily put him on that J. Maybe a slowplayed big pair. A raise doesn't automatically mean a set.Edit - He could have hit some crappy 2 pair, as well.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I can easily put him on that J.  Maybe a slowplayed big pair.  A raise doesn't automatically mean a set.Edit - He could have hit some crappy 2 pair, as well.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can't imagine any of these hands calling on the turn and then leading the river. Certainly not more than 5% of opponents would do this. (I don't think a set would do this either, so I really doubt we're up against a boat here.)I think this almost has to be another flush, I just don't know if it beats ours.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Does anybody raise the turn with 15 huckle outs to a flush or a straight?I might. The three-bet J3 probably makes would be informative, easier to just call the river, and even more fun to break his soul if we hit.I think if you're going to draw to it, you gotta raise if you hit it... as a general rule. So I'd raise into someone's huckle boat on the river.I think I most prefer raising the turn when we have hella outs. If he three-bets me on the turn, or calls and then leads the same river, I'm just calling.

[custom36 5]

I can easily put him on that J.  Maybe a slowplayed big pair.  A raise doesn't automatically mean a set.Edit - He could have hit some crappy 2 pair, as well.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can't imagine any of these hands calling on the turn and then leading the river. Certainly not more than 5% of opponents would do this. (I don't think a set would do this either, so I really doubt we're up against a boat here.)I think this almost has to be another flush, I just don't know if it beats ours.

Oh, wow, you're right. Sorry. I thought the lead bettor was still betting. Let me think about this a bit...

[custom36 5]

Nevermind. I'm just calling as well. Looks like a flush, and if he's limping from MP1, more often than not, it's going to be a higher flush (Kx, Ax). Hand looks good.

[akishore 0]

ah, i missed that the bettor changed also.time to read these posts more carefully. good call baby!aseem

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Does anybody at all raise the turn?Just a thought.

[custom36 5]

Does anybody at all raise the turn?Just a thought.

I'm not. You're not a favorite here and all you have is a 9-high draw. Raising is chip spewing IMO.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Does anybody at all raise the turn?Just a thought.

I'm not. You're not a favorite here and all you have is a 9-high draw. Raising is chip spewing IMO.

Yeah... not a whole lot of point to going for a free showdown when you either will or will not hit your outs. And getting three-bet'ed would suck pretty bad.

[akishore 0]

Does anybody at all raise the turn?Just a thought.

I'm not. You're not a favorite here and all you have is a 9-high draw. Raising is chip spewing IMO.

Yeah... not a whole lot of point to going for a free showdown when you either will or will not hit your outs. And getting three-bet'ed would suck pretty bad.

add also knocking out the player behind you many times (this would be an exception of course).aseem

[KDawgCometh 2]

Does anybody at all raise the turn?Just a thought.

we need a lot more players in before us to do this. this hand will probably be good by the river ~30-35% of the time(i just glanced at all of the action), so we want to be sure of 4 players in to make this a solid play