how many of you know what "equity" is?

[econ_tim 0]

there's so much trash in general forum, it's so unattractive.start learning some poker.good night.aseemdisclaimer: this is not condescending. it is meant to help you improve your game.time for me to go back to 500/900 omaha.

there's so much gratuitous arrogance and self-importance displayed by some posters on this forum, it's so unattractive.start learning some humility.good day.alliedisclaimer: this is not condescending. it is meant to help you improve your personality.

Cram it woman!  I'm trying to play $500/$900 Omaha.

[keith crime 8]

of course knowing all the technical terms is how doyle brunson made all of his money

[akishore 0]

lmao!thanks for the usual laugh, tim.aseem

[....Ian.... 0]

here's an example to get you all started...you have A 10  on the button with four opponents. the flop is J 6 2 , and everyone checks to you.compare checking with betting, and try to bring equity and EV into it.aseem

well assuming limit.then assuming no set (which is a safe assumtion)I bet. I got about 35%ish to make the nuts. so i got 35% EV. so if i bet and everyone calls then i'm getting a 35% return but only contributing 20% of the $. +EV(not mentioing the 1.5 outs for the ace. and maybe even 1.5 for the 10)

[....Ian.... 0]

also...... aseem, would you mind replyin to this thread:http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=22628i'd really like to hear your input on this as i'm a lil unsure

[BeanGW 0]

I bet.  I got about 35%ish to make the nuts.  so i got 35% EV.   so if i bet and everyone calls then i'm getting a 35% return but only contributing 20% of the $.    +EV(not mentioing the 1.5 outs for the ace.  and maybe even 1.5 for the 10)

Yup.

[Don Giovanni 0]

this thread sucks. lets argue about someone who has recently done well in a tourny being a donkey.

[speedz99 145]

of course knowing all the technical terms is how doyle brunson made all of his money

Where to begin with this one? Let's just say that you are no Doyle Brunson and therefore could probably use the lesson that is being taught in this thread. Even if Doyle was just starting off now he would most definately be smart enough to use all of the current books/strategies/forums to help him become a better player.

[Socko669 0]

there's so much trash in general forum, it's so unattractive.start learning some poker.good night.aseemdisclaimer: this is not condescending. it is meant to help you improve your game.time for me to go back to 500/900 omaha.

Your condescending, holier than thou attitude is -EV

[iveyfan30 0]

guys assem has done nothing but try to help improve the play of the ppl of this forum...he is a classy guy and not deserving of your flames....rather than flame him, maybe we should read what he says and use the knowledge to win some money..that is the goal of this forum right ??

[Binbs 0]

I have an idea.Lets have a General Forum vs Strat forum tourney!!! :Dlol..

[akishore 0]

so, ian's answer was the best.refresher:equity = share of pot you are winning, OR percentage of time to expect to win the hand.EV = expected value from your action. checking and folding always have 0 EV in themselves.we have the nut flush draw on the flop, so we have 9 outs to the nuts. our equity is then about 35% (it changes dynamically depending on other hands, but will almost never be less than 25%).now, with four opponents, we are putting in 20% of the money. in other words, if we bet and get four callers, our odds on the bet are 4-to-1. if we get three callers, they are 3-to-1 (which means we're putting in 25% of the money), etc.since our equity is higher proportionally than our bet odds, we should be betting here! if our equity is 35% and we get three or four callers, we make money on every bet.let's say we bet, three of our opponents call, and the fourth one raises! also assume that (as is evident) all of our opponents are loose.using this knowledge, should you call or reraise?aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

Hi. Stop trying to teach the buffalo. Anyone not smart enough to go to Strategy for this sort of thing is just going to get confused, missaply the concept...wait keep going.You forgot to mention that it only works at 10/20 six max on Party.That's 10/20 limit holdem, 6 handed. Party 10/20. On Party.Party 10/20 six max.On Party.

[speedz99 145]

You know, it's way past my bankroll...but I have a sudden urge to play 10/20 6-max on Party.Wierd.

[speedz99 145]

And reraise. You still have an overcard and the nut flush draw. The raiser could be hoping that you were bluffing based on position.

[econ_tim 0]

Hi. Stop trying to teach the buffalo. Anyone not smart enough to go to Strategy for this sort of thing is just going to get confused, missaply the concept...wait keep going.You forgot to mention that it only works at 10/20 six max on Party.That's 10/20 limit holdem, 6 handed. Party 10/20. On Party.Party 10/20 six max.On Party.

I always had trouble beating $1/$2 full ring games on Party. Maybe it's because my tinfoil hat is used, but I'm pretty sure it's because those games are full of drawing donkeys.But once I moved to $10/$20, I finally found players who respected my raises. They would actually fold when their hand was worse than mine! Suckers! Now I'm swimming in cash.

[....Ian.... 0]

let's say we bet, three of our opponents call, and the fourth one raises! also assume that (as is evident) all of our opponents are loose.using this knowledge, should you call or reraise?aseem

in general….we raise. With loose fools they are gonna call 2 more small bets and even if one drops, we’re still making money cuz we’re putting in 25% (1 of 4 players) and we got 35% equity.

[Allie 0]

guys assem has done nothing but try to help improve the play of the ppl of this forum...he is a classy guy and not deserving of your flames....rather than flame him, maybe we should read what he says and use the knowledge to win some money..that is the goal of this forum right ??

I agree with you ivey. Everything I've read from assem, prior to this, has been intelligent and knowledgable, and he seems like a very nice kid. But the manner in which this thread was started was way over the top IMHO. His poker and math skills are very strong, and if he chooses to share them with us, that's greatly appreciated. But why the need for condescension and pretentiousness. People skills are important in life too. :wink:

[cdt002 0]

As a guy who hasn't read up enough on these concepts enough, but been curious about them for awhile, the discussion was semi-enlightening, I'll need to look into this "strat" forum a little deeper. I think a thank you is in order, for adding the 'poker' to general poker.

[themanzaman 0]

jus wondering, is it jus me or are the 30-60 tables on party are softer than the 10-20 (6 max) and 15-30 (6 max) and even 20-40 (to a little extent), I have been playing 10-20 to 30-60 on party for a while now and have found 10-20 6 max tables to be much harder than 30-60.Jus wondering anyone else’s opinion on anyone who plays these gamesBtw, thnx aseem for the thread, very helpful and informative stuffAZ

[akishore 0]

Hi. Stop trying to teach the buffalo. Anyone not smart enough to go to Strategy for this sort of thing is just going to get confused, missaply the concept...wait keep going.You forgot to mention that it only works at 10/20 six max on Party.That's 10/20 limit holdem, 6 handed. Party 10/20. On Party.Party 10/20 six max.On Party.

hahahaha, this cracked me up for a long time today.what's with you and buffalos recently?i live in buffalo, if that makes a difference.am i a buffalo?aseem

[akishore 0]

anyway, so we should be raising again, good job everyone. we're putting in 20% of the money but expect to win significantly more than 20% of the time. this is a great edge that we need to push.now start applying this concept of equity in your games. think about how often you expect to win the hand at showdown, and if it's more than the proportionate amount of money you're putting in, ram and jam the pot baby. ram it hard.in general:pot odds help you decide between calling and folding.equity helps you decide between calling and raising (or checking and betting).aseem

[akishore 0]

I always had trouble beating $1/$2 full ring games on Party. Maybe it's because my tinfoil hat is used, but I'm pretty sure it's because those games are full of drawing donkeys.But once I moved to $10/$20, I finally found players who respected my raises. They would actually fold when their hand was worse than mine! Suckers! Now I'm swimming in cash.

hahahaha... third crack up of the day.man, online sarcasm kicks ass.aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

what's with you and buffalos recently?I just think Donkey lacks the full range of descriptive poer to fully clarify if you mean a donkey who calls with a gutshot on the turn with the pot laying him 2 to 1 or the buffalo who caps 33 on every street leading to his two outer on the river.So I'm going with buffalo now. You should too.

[dapokerbum 0]

What I don't understand here is that anyone that posts a bad beat of any form gets blasted for it and is told that there is a bad beat forum blah blah blah. Now a well respected person in the forum posts an obvious strategy thread in the general and I see no one complaining how he should post in strategy.So what i've learned is that if you are well respected you can do what you want but if you are a newb then anything you say is auto crap. Hey Aseem can you post a cool bad beat story and see if it has the same result.